Josh Gordon
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Wasn't Chris Carter a Shmuck up also and turned things around?
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Serious question. No snark, no assholery, just a simple, honest question.
What, in Josh Gordon's history since his first days at Baylor, makes anyone here think that he will get through the coming offseason without some sort of "incident"?
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Serious question. No snark, no assholery, just a simple, honest question.
What, in Josh Gordon's history since his first days at Baylor, makes anyone here think that he will get through the coming offseason without some sort of "incident"?
Serious question. No snark, no assholery, just a simple, honest question.
What, in Josh Gordon's history since his first days at Baylor, makes anyone here think that he will get through the coming offseason without some sort of "incident"?
Nothing.
You can't predict people's actions, and even less and addict's ones.
In these type of stories you just can hope the best for the man, there's no solid proof, as the battle has to be fought in his mind, and nobody can't know what's inside there.
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Serious question. No snark, no assholery, just a simple, honest question.
What, in Josh Gordon's history since his first days at Baylor, makes anyone here think that he will get through the coming offseason without some sort of "incident"?
Nothing.
You can't predict people's actions, and even less and addict's ones.
In these type of stories you just can hope the best for the man, there's no solid proof, as the battle has to be fought in his mind, and nobody can't know what's inside there.
Nothing.
You can't predict people's actions, and even less and addict's ones.
In these type of stories you just can hope the best for the man, there's no solid proof, as the battle has to be fought in his mind, and nobody can't know what's inside there.
You nailed it. Just like I said in my lengthy post, the NFL isn't really set up for addicts. Once they get where Josh is, ONE mistake is all it takes to lose EVERYTHING. Can you imagine that stress? It must be completely overwhelming. To me, it SOUNDS like Josh is finally getting it, but in my experience, an addict generally slips up a time or two more AFTER they hit the rock bottom and really want to get better. Let's hope Josh can make good decisions. Apparently he looks like a god right now, and his body fat is a ridiculous 9% (it was almost double that last year). Cmon Josh...we really need you.
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Serious question. No snark, no assholery, just a simple, honest question.
What, in Josh Gordon's history since his first days at Baylor, makes anyone here think that he will get through the coming offseason without some sort of "incident"?
Serious question. No snark, no assholery, just a simple, honest question.
What, in Josh Gordon's history since his first days at Baylor, makes anyone here think that he will get through the coming offseason without some sort of "incident"?
Serious question. No snark, no assholery...just a simple honest question: What difference does it make? We have not had him for like 2.5 years. So...has anyone really been counting on his return? (besides PoG?) If we get something out of him...we get something. If we get nothing...well...that is the same we have gotten for the past 2.5 years....so we will really be no worse off.
Lets put it this way: I do NOT think that by Gordon coming back...even if he plays those last 5 games fairly well.....that this team should still not consider taking a top notch WR in the draft next year.
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Serious question. No snark, no assholery, just a simple, honest question.
What, in Josh Gordon's history since his first days at Baylor, makes anyone here think that he will get through the coming offseason without some sort of "incident"?
Serious question. No snark, no assholery...just a simple honest question: What difference does it make? We have not had him for like 2.5 years. So...has anyone really been counting on his return? (besides PoG?) If we get something out of him...we get something. If we get nothing...well...that is the same we have gotten for the past 2.5 years....so we will really be no worse off.
Lets put it this way: I do NOT think that by Gordon coming back...even if he plays those last 5 games fairly well.....that this team should still not consider taking a top notch WR in the draft next year.
Serious question. No snark, no assholery...just a simple honest question: What difference does it make? We have not had him for like 2.5 years. So...has anyone really been counting on his return? (besides PoG?) If we get something out of him...we get something. If we get nothing...well...that is the same we have gotten for the past 2.5 years....so we will really be no worse off.
Lets put it this way: I do NOT think that by Gordon coming back...even if he plays those last 5 games fairly well.....that this team should still not consider taking a top notch WR in the draft next year.
Agreed. Whether ir works or doesn't, WR is a must.
But finding a player who can work as a good WR2 is easier than finding a WR1, and if Josh is back to his level we are in the first case scenario, which is a huge difference.
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It's a fair point. I don't count on a single thing from him, this year or especially next. Do I WANT him to play well? Heck yes. The trickle down effect from his presence could mean the world to us, if only we had a QB. The problem is, Kizer continuously missed our crappy receivers when THEY were open in the red zone, so why would he make good passes to legit WR's? In theory, Gordon could really help us because the opposition's #1 CB will match up on Gordon (who can't cover him anyways, regardless of how long Gordon has been out), and then Corey Coleman will draw a lesser CB. We'll have WR's to extend the field, so teams won't be able to just play run. Maybe the middle of the field could be opened up for our talented, young TE's. So much can change by adding just ONE legitimate playmaker on offense, especially one like Gordon who can get deep and run any other pattern.
But again, the problem is Kizer. So what if the middle of the field is open? Kizer can't pass to that area anyway. So what if Gordon or Coleman are open down the field? When is the last time Kizer completed a deep ball? The one to Ricardo Louis for 31 yards? Besides that, I can't think of one. If we're lucky enough to actually get Gordon and Coleman back on the field together, don't be surprised to see Cody Kessler starting at QB. If we can give Cody enough time to throw, and we can run the ball at least A LITTLE, I could see Cody maybe pulling out a victory or two. I firmly believe he'll give us a better shot than Kizer, that's for sure.
Here's what really hurts: How much does our offense change if we had Jimmy Garoppolo, Corey Coleman, and Josh Gordon on the field with Njoku, Devalve, Duke, and Crow? It actually looks like a real offense....one that we won't ever get to see. I realize we never had a chance for Garoppolo because the Pats wanted Hoyer as a backup, but still...it's another example of "what could've been".
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Plus 3 Gip-we need a WR that can get open AND catch the ball, talents that seem to have eluded ours this year. We just can't count on JG. It may be past history, but history is often predictive.
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Plus 3 Gip-we need a WR that can get open AND catch the ball, talents that seem to have eluded ours this year. We just can't count on JG. It may be past history, but history is often predictive.
Plus 3 Gip-we need a WR that can get open AND catch the ball, talents that seem to have eluded ours this year. We just can't count on JG. It may be past history, but history is often predictive.
Can't believe how much interest this thread has got, shows how bad the Browns need any warm bodies that might be able to catch a football or maybe stretch the field......it's really hurting the young QBs.
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One thing that concerns me is the speculation that Josh is trying to get out of Cleveland by saying things like using drugs before every game. In worried we'll just cut him because of the backlash.
One thing that concerns me is the speculation that Josh is trying to get out of Cleveland by saying things like using drugs before every game. In worried we'll just cut him because of the backlash.
Ha- we tried trading for AJ McCarron. Right now Hue is so desperate for wins, no way they're dumping Josh. What would worry me is if Gordon returns to his old form Trader Sashi would unload him for a first round pick.
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One thing that concerns me is the speculation that Josh is trying to get out of Cleveland by saying things like using drugs before every game. In worried we'll just cut him because of the backlash.
Ha- we tried trading for AJ McCarron. Right now Hue is so desperate for wins, no way they're dumping Josh. What would worry me is if Gordon returns to his old form Trader Sashi would unload him for a first round pick.
Ha- we tried trading for AJ McCarron. Right now Hue is so desperate for wins, no way they're dumping Josh. What would worry me is if Gordon returns to his old form Trader Sashi would unload him for a first round pick.
Well....I would probably make that deal....all things considered. (particularly the risk that comes with Gordon)
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Stay clean josh, please?
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