The... I am batting (maybe alone) for the front office thread

Canton Dawg

@thenew23 said:

Current roster. Italicized are rookies & 2nd year guys. Bolded are guys this front office added/re-signed:

QB- D.Kizer, C. Kessler, K.Hogan
RB- I.Crowell, D. Johnson, M.Dayes, D.Vitale (FB), D.Jackson (IR), T.Magee(PS),
WR- K.Britt, S.Coates, R.Higgins, R.Louis, B.Treggs, K.Williams, C.Coleman (IR), R.Hall(PS), J.Gordon
TE- R.Telfer, S.DeValve, D.Njoku, M.Lengel
OL- J.Thomas (IR), J.Bitonio, J.Tretter, K.Zeitler, S.Coleman, S.Drango, A.Reiter, M.Martin, Z.Banner, R.Johnson(IR)
DL- D.Shelton, N.Orchard, M.Garrett, E.Ogbah, T.Coley, C.Nassib, L.Ogunjobi, J.Meder, C.Brantley, T.McGill, T.Holmes
LB- C.Kirksey, J.Collins, J.Schobert, J. Burgess, B.Bello, D.Alexander (IR), T.Carder (IR), D.King
CB- J.McCourty, J.Taylor, B.Boddy-Calhoum, M.Jordan, R.Porter, H.Wilson(PUP)
S- I.Campbell, D.Kindred, J.Peppers, K.Nacua
ST- C.Hughlett-LS, B.Colquitt-P, Z. Gonzalez-K

Talk about a total rebuild. It's really not realistic to expect this roster to win right now; however, they did bring in a lot of talent. I'm willing to give them 1 more year to see what it looks like then.

Jamie Meder was signed on to the Browns active roster from the PS in the fall of 2014.

The Gipper

@canton-dawg said:

Jamie Meder was signed on to the Browns active roster from the PS in the fall of 2014.

In other words...not actually a Sashi Brown choice?

Well...also on this....Campbell is now gone. He just wasn't one of Sashi's guys.

Well, lets just hope his replacement is better...because the DB has done poorly this year.

thenew23

@canton-dawg said:

Jamie Meder was signed on to the Browns active roster from the PS in the fall of 2014.

Correct, but extended by this regime over the offseason via RFA

stillmotion

@wargograw said:

@stillmotion said:

Correct. What you quoted is my answer. And it is perfectly sound logic. I don't know that our way will work (though I could toss out some positive points for it). But I know and have observed multiple times that everyone else's way will not.

You said, I could answer, BUT

You didn't answer, just dodged the question like a politician

D Bone

Looks like Hue didn't get the "We are gonna lose at a historic rate for the first 3 years of The Process" memo.........

Mary Kay Cabot‏Verified account @MaryKayCabot 2h2 hours ag

#Browns Hue Jackson: 'I'm in a bad mood today. Tired of freakin losing'

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@d-bone said:

Looks like Hue didn't get the "We are gonna lose at a historic rate for the first 3 years of The Process" memo.........

Mary Kay Cabot‏Verified account @MaryKayCabot 2h2 hours ag

#Browns Hue Jackson: 'I'm in a bad mood today. Tired of freakin losing'

Someone should tell him we have some nice stats to fall back on and apparently all sorts of talent all over the field. Maybe that will cheer him up.

The Gipper

@mark-o said:

Someone should tell him we have some nice stats to fall back on and apparently all sorts of talent all over the field. Maybe that will cheer him up.

Tell Hue he needs to call plays better, make better decisions, learn how to manage the clock and a game, and learn how to get his players to play with some discipline.

I said it before: in my opinion the Browns have lost at least 3 games due to his poor coaching. Jets, Titans....maybe Colts. Maybe another that I can't think of right now.

BaconHound

@wargograw said:

You're right, you just whine like my baby cousin in every thread.

Wow great comeback!

I have said several times you have to give the front office and Hue at least one more year. I have also said many times my solution would be taking the best available player at my draft position each year.

2014 Kalil Mack, 2015 Danny Shelton, 2016 Joey Bosa, 2017 Myles Garret.

I may have been wrong but I'd hope the defense would be rounding into shape and I could simply tell the fan base the team selected the best talent they thought was available.

Mark O

@baconhound said:

Wow great comeback!

I have said several times you have to give the front office and Hue at least one more year. I have also said many times my solution would be taking the best available player at my draft position each year.

2014 Kalil Mack, 2015 Danny Shelton, 2016 Joey Bosa, 2017 Myles Garret.

I may have been wrong but I'd hope the defense would be rounding into shape and I could simply tell the fan base the team selected the best talent they thought was available.

The offense would probably still suck, but it would be hard for that defense to not be good not only on paper (and pretty stats) but on the field as well.

BaconHound

@mark-o said:

The offense would probably still suck, but it would be hard for that defense to not be good not only on paper (and pretty stats) but on the field as well.

When Pettine and Farmer took over I was hoping it was to build a great defense and then try and piece together an offense. My fondest memories of the 1980s Browns wasn't Kosar but that blue collar defense who left opponents weary. Instead we are now stuck with a brain trust who believes they've found a secret science that will revolutionize NFL front office decision making. What I've seen thus far is the accumulation of picks, missed talent and quite frankly underachieving first round draft picks.

Dutch Oven

@baconhound said:

Wow great comeback!

I have said several times you have to give the front office and Hue at least one more year. I have also said many times my solution would be taking the best available player at my draft position each year.

2014 Kalil Mack, 2015 Danny Shelton, 2016 Joey Bosa, 2017 Myles Garret.

I may have been wrong but I'd hope the defense would be rounding into shape and I could simply tell the fan base the team selected the best talent they thought was available.

That 2014 first round was an absolute killer.

I mean, you have to wonder where the Browns would be today if they had just taken who the Raiders did instead of Gilbert and Manziel.

stillmotion

@dutch-oven said:

That 2014 first round was an absolute killer.

I mean, you have to wonder where the Browns would be today if they had just taken who the Raiders did instead of Gilbert and Manziel.

There were so many good players in that draft. I wanted Mack, and offense playmaker, and Jimmy G

Mark O

@baconhound said:

When Pettine and Farmer took over I was hoping it was to build a great defense and then try and piece together an offense. My fondest memories of the 1980s Browns wasn't Kosar but that blue collar defense who left opponents weary. Instead we are now stuck with a brain trust who believes they've found a secret science that will revolutionize NFL front office decision making. What I've seen thus far is the accumulation of picks, missed talent and quite frankly underachieving first round draft picks.

I also think that would've been the best way to fans hearts as well. The fans want wins of course...but if the team has an ass kicking defense (on the field, not in the stats) that would be a team that is fun to watch while the offense comes around. The 80's teams were built on defense first.

wargograw

@stillmotion said:

You said, I could answer, BUT

You didn't answer, just dodged the question like a politician

I've answered the question.

@baconhound said:

Wow great comeback!

I have said several times you have to give the front office and Hue at least one more year. I have also said many times my solution would be taking the best available player at my draft position each year.

2014 Kalil Mack, 2015 Danny Shelton, 2016 Joey Bosa, 2017 Myles Garret.

I may have been wrong but I'd hope the defense would be rounding into shape and I could simply tell the fan base the team selected the best talent they thought was available.

Don't say you support them when you stoke the anger of everyone to get them fired. That's such crap.

Unsympathetic

Good read comparing Browns to Astros and 76ers. You know the Astros -- the team that just won the World Series utilizing Sashi's "recipe." Key elements:

Three years as a league laughingstock
A roster devoid of hope in year two of the rebuild
Most fans become angry and/or apathetic
Some terrible misses at the top of the draft
Front Office makes some unforced errors
Front Office will be perceived to be, at best, a public embarrassment
Somebody is going to get fired
Franchise cornerstones will emerge and inspire hope in year four
Respectability in year four, playoffs in year five

BaconHound

@unsympathetic said:

Good read comparing Browns to Astros and 76ers. You know the Astros -- the team that just won the World Series utilizing Sashi's "recipe." Key elements:

Three years as a league laughingstock
A roster devoid of hope in year two of the rebuild
Most fans become angry and/or apathetic
Some terrible misses at the top of the draft
Front Office makes some unforced errors
Front Office will be perceived to be, at best, a public embarrassment
Somebody is going to get fired
Franchise cornerstones will emerge and inspire hope in year four
Respectability in year four, playoffs in year five

MLB = NFL ok

BaconHound

@wargograw said:

I've answered the question.

Don't say you support them when you stoke the anger of everyone to get them fired. That's such crap.

There is a difference between holding them accountable, criticizing and calling for them to be fired. I've been critical of many of their moves and their public persona but do not want them fired this year. I have said in many threads I'd give Sashi & Co next year and Hue two more to make significant progress. I think Hue gets one more because I still don't see the talent necessary to be successful in the NFL.

stillmotion

@wargograw said:

I've answered the question.

Then pull up a valid response. Let's see a quote.

Canton Dawg

@unsympathetic said:

Good read comparing Browns to Astros and 76ers. You know the Astros -- the team that just won the World Series utilizing Sashi's "recipe." Key elements:

Three years as a league laughingstock
A roster devoid of hope in year two of the rebuild
Most fans become angry and/or apathetic
Some terrible misses at the top of the draft
Front Office makes some unforced errors
Front Office will be perceived to be, at best, a public embarrassment
Somebody is going to get fired
Franchise cornerstones will emerge and inspire hope in year four
Respectability in year four, playoffs in year five

From your linked article. . .

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hoorta

@unsympathetic said:

Good read comparing Browns to Astros and 76ers. You know the Astros -- the team that just won the World Series utilizing Sashi's "recipe." Key elements:

Three years as a league laughingstock
A roster devoid of hope in year two of the rebuild
Most fans become angry and/or apathetic
Some terrible misses at the top of the draft
Front Office makes some unforced errors
Front Office will be perceived to be, at best, a public embarrassment
Somebody is going to get fired
Franchise cornerstones will emerge and inspire hope in year four
Respectability in year four, playoffs in year five

Here's the difference between baseball and football. The NFL is Not For Long. the average player's career doesn't last 5 years. Regarding the bold, it doesn't take "franchise cornerstones" anywhere close to 4 years in football to emerge. KMack, Bosa, LOL Wentz- you get the idea.

Not saying the whole thing is gonna get nuked again (though it's a possibility). Rumors are swirling again from inside sources, if this doesn't dramatically improve the last 8 games. But "the process" is gong to get tweaked at the very least. Most likely is Sashi (Mr. Number Cruncher) getting busted back to doing contracts, if not outright fired if he won't accept a demotion. As CD just said, he has no previous experience regarding talent evaluation, and pretty much sucked in his job in Jacksonville. Bringing in a proven talent evaluator- and not promoting Grigson either, who took Richardson off our hands.