Sounds, uh, great.
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Apparently a loaded 4-12. Casey Kasem started a lot of games for them and when Goff started at the end of the season he looked as lost as any rookie QB ever has. The turn around has nothing to do with a whole new coaching staff allegedly.
Yes, they were a loaded 4-12. You probably attribute the Cowboys turnaround from 2015 to 16 to the fact that they hired a new ball boy or something too.
The Rams were 4-12 last year
Yeah, they had bad coaches. That was clearly evident because their team showed its talent despite the record. My point is and has been that you have no idea how good or bad our coaches are because we don't yet have experienced talent.
My point is and has been that you have no idea how good or bad our coaches are because we don't yet have experienced talent.
weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.
Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them
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That's what most Rams fans here in SoCal pissed and moaned about this past off season after they hired Sean McVay.
As I've said multiple times...... Great coaches are not great coaches until they're great coaches. As well as...... We don't have to hire a coach that everyone has heard of - I see you there Sean McVay and Doug Pederson, we simply have to hire the right coach.
Can Hue still be that right coach? I'm saying yes - possibly, maybe... if he's willing to hire an OC and give him complete and total control of the offense...... but can or will he?
I hear ya, there’s just no comparison between the two situations. The Rams have been and are loaded.
I hear ya, there’s just no comparison between the two situations. The Rams have been and are loaded.
Why is that?
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With Haslam selling out essentially to Warren Buffet, it is no surprise that the family may become more involved.....considering that the Browns WILL now basically be that family's business.
So...perhaps think of it this way: The Haslam's are like the Rooney family. The older generation didn't do so well with that team......for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty.
(and yes...I am sure you can find examples of where the younger generation has come along and been as bad or worse as the older generation....can you say 4 generations of Bidwill's with the Cards). But....there is some chance.
So...perhaps think of it this way: The Haslam's are like the Rooney family. The older generation didn't do so well with that team......for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty.
Not exactly. Art Rooney turned the reins over to Dan after the Steelers had won their first Super Bowl.
The seeds of the dynasty were already planted before Dan took over...the familiar names...Bradshaw, Greene, Lambert, Ham, Franco, Greenwood, Blount, Webster, Swann were on the roster.
Mike Webster was a rookie back up, and Lynn Swann was relegated to special teams.
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So...perhaps think of it this way: The Haslam's are like the Rooney family. The older generation didn't do so well with that team......for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty.
Not exactly. Art Rooney turned the reins over to Dan after the Steelers had won their first Super Bowl.
The seeds of the dynasty were already planted before Dan took over...the familiar names...Bradshaw, Greene, Lambert, Ham, Franco, Greenwood, Blount, Webster, Swann were on the roster.
Mike Webster was a rookie back up, and Lynn Swann was relegated to special teams.
Not exactly. Art Rooney turned the reins over to Dan after the Steelers had won their first Super Bowl.
The seeds of the dynasty were already planted before Dan took over...the familiar names...Bradshaw, Greene, Lambert, Ham, Franco, Greenwood, Blount, Webster, Swann were on the roster.
Mike Webster was a rookie back up, and Lynn Swann was relegated to special teams.
I suspect Dan was heavily involved in bringing in those names....even if he hadn't "taken over" yet. . I assume he was groomed to take over and had a long affiliation with the team before doing so. I mean, Dan wasn't the prodigal son who had been lost in the wilderness for years, and all of a sudden comes back to town and says "Hi Dad....give me control of your team".
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Not exactly. Art Rooney turned the reins over to Dan after the Steelers had won their first Super Bowl.
The seeds of the dynasty were already planted before Dan took over...the familiar names...Bradshaw, Greene, Lambert, Ham, Franco, Greenwood, Blount, Webster, Swann were on the roster.
Mike Webster was a rookie back up, and Lynn Swann was relegated to special teams.
I suspect Dan was heavily involved in bringing in those names....even if he hadn't "taken over" yet. . I assume he was groomed to take over and had a long affiliation with the team before doing so. I mean, Dan wasn't the prodigal son who had been lost in the wilderness for years, and all of a sudden comes back to town and says "Hi Dad....give me control of your team".
I suspect Dan was heavily involved in bringing in those names....even if he hadn't "taken over" yet. . I assume he was groomed to take over and had a long affiliation with the team before doing so. I mean, Dan wasn't the prodigal son who had been lost in the wilderness for years, and all of a sudden comes back to town and says "Hi Dad....give me control of your team".
No argument with any of that, its just that your statement can be easily be interpreted as Dan creating a dynasty AFTER he took over.
for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty.
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I suspect Dan was heavily involved in bringing in those names....even if he hadn't "taken over" yet. . I assume he was groomed to take over and had a long affiliation with the team before doing so. I mean, Dan wasn't the prodigal son who had been lost in the wilderness for years, and all of a sudden comes back to town and says "Hi Dad....give me control of your team".
No argument with any of that, its just that your statement can be easily be interpreted as Dan creating a dynasty AFTER he took over.
for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty.
No argument with any of that, its just that your statement can be easily be interpreted as Dan creating a dynasty AFTER he took over.
for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty.
Well...it may still be accurate in a couple of senses.....I mean...what constituted "taking over"? Dan may have de facto "taken over" a few years before it was official.
And, even by your own recollection of things.....Art was only in charge for one of those titles. One or two titles does not a dynasty make. If Dan was in charger for the next 3, then, semantically....the Steelers did not become a dynasty until after he took over. Fair to say?
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My point is and has been that you have no idea how good or bad our coaches are because we don't yet have experienced talent.
weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.
Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them
weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.
Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them
Hue Jackson is in way, way, over his head. Nice guy, but really he is a Division 1 AA caliber talent. The sooner Haslam pulls the lever of the Sloan Valve, the better.
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My point is and has been that you have no idea how good or bad our coaches are because we don't yet have experienced talent.
weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.
Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them
weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.
Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them
So we're really close to breaking through? Yet you want to demote Sashi right? Please explain.
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weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.
Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them
So we're really close to breaking through? Yet you want to demote Sashi right? Please explain.
So we're really close to breaking through? Yet you want to demote Sashi right? Please explain.
Breaking through? No we're close to being borderline as good as any of these other "football guys" teams have been. You know, 5-11, or 4-12. We're 0-8 though, which is much worse. I don't get how you guys have it in your head that it's a fact we'll be an amazing team and winning like crazy in a few years from now with our current F.O. making the draft picks and a 1-23 coach.
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We don't. Now, I don't get how you guys have it in your head that it's a fact we'll be an amazing team and winning like crazy next year with "a football guy" making the draft picks and some bum coach off the street.
Works both ways.
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We don't. Now, I don't get how you guys have it in your head that it's a fact we'll be an amazing team and winning like crazy next year with "a football guy" making the draft picks and some bum coach off the street.
Works both ways.
We don't. Now, I don't get how you guys have it in your head that it's a fact we'll be an amazing team and winning like crazy next year with "a football guy" making the draft picks and some bum coach off the street.
Works both ways.
Would you hire a lawyer and a pitcher to take your wisdom teeth out, or would you pay a dentist?
I think the dentist would do better.
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We don't. Now, I don't get how you guys have it in your head that it's a fact we'll be an amazing team and winning like crazy next year with "a football guy" making the draft picks and some bum coach off the street.
Works both ways.
Would you hire a lawyer and a pitcher to take your wisdom teeth out, or would you pay a dentist?
I think the dentist would do better.
Would you hire a lawyer and a pitcher to take your wisdom teeth out, or would you pay a dentist?
I think the dentist would do better.
For wisdom teeth? Haslam would hire a dumb waiter.
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We don't. Now, I don't get how you guys have it in your head that it's a fact we'll be an amazing team and winning like crazy next year with "a football guy" making the draft picks and some bum coach off the street.
Works both ways.
Would you hire a lawyer and a pitcher to take your wisdom teeth out, or would you pay a dentist?
I think the dentist would do better.
Would you hire a lawyer and a pitcher to take your wisdom teeth out, or would you pay a dentist?
I think the dentist would do better.
I was actually thinking the same thing last night...
Cancer still kills people by the thousands upon thousands every year, despite scientists and doctors working to cure cancer for generations.
By wargo's logic, he'd replace the scientists and doctors with plumbers. IT DIDN'T WORK BEFORE WITH SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS!
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Would you hire a lawyer and a pitcher to take your wisdom teeth out, or would you pay a dentist?
I think the dentist would do better.
I was actually thinking the same thing last night...
Cancer still kills people by the thousands upon thousands every year, despite scientists and doctors working to cure cancer for generations.
By wargo's logic, he'd replace the scientists and doctors with plumbers. IT DIDN'T WORK BEFORE WITH SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS!
I was actually thinking the same thing last night...
Cancer still kills people by the thousands upon thousands every year, despite scientists and doctors working to cure cancer for generations.
By wargo's logic, he'd replace the scientists and doctors with plumbers. IT DIDN'T WORK BEFORE WITH SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS!
Well if you hire plumbers there is less trouble flushing the whole thing down the toilet if the current W/L ratio continues next year.
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I was actually thinking the same thing last night...
Cancer still kills people by the thousands upon thousands every year, despite scientists and doctors working to cure cancer for generations.
By wargo's logic, he'd replace the scientists and doctors with plumbers. IT DIDN'T WORK BEFORE WITH SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS!
Well if you hire plumbers there is less trouble flushing the whole thing down the toilet if the current W/L ratio continues next year.
Well if you hire plumbers there is less trouble flushing the whole thing down the toilet if the current W/L ratio continues next year.
I did not sleep in a holiday inn express last night but I do remember the TV guru's saying that Darnold comes from a blue collar Plummer Family..Well it's either Tool Time or Darnold puts a plunger in it for a year..Enjoy your Trip..
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- Sweet Jesus people... it's a friggin' LaCancera article...
- Everyone goes on and on about the import of the QB position. The Rams are proof of the position's import and how bad QB play (2016) can hold back an otherwise very, very good team... one that was and is better than we currently are. When we solve QB, so will we turn... just not as dramatically.
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We don't. Now, I don't get how you guys have it in your head that it's a fact we'll be an amazing team and winning like crazy next year with "a football guy" making the draft picks and some bum coach off the street.
Works both ways.
Would you hire a lawyer and a pitcher to take your wisdom teeth out, or would you pay a dentist?
I think the dentist would do better.
Would you hire a lawyer and a pitcher to take your wisdom teeth out, or would you pay a dentist?
I think the dentist would do better.
I might hire two managers to MANAGE my massive team of dentists and help determine the best route, yes.
Did that go the way you thought it would?
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Would you hire a lawyer and a pitcher to take your wisdom teeth out, or would you pay a dentist?
I think the dentist would do better.
I might hire two managers to MANAGE my massive team of dentists and help determine the best route, yes.
Did that go the way you thought it would?
I might hire two managers to MANAGE my massive team of dentists and help determine the best route, yes.
Did that go the way you thought it would?
And if after two years of those "managers" hiring some dentists that performed some of the worst dental procedures in history, you would keep them, believing in the future they might hire better dentists?
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And that would be where the analogy breaks off from reality. Right back to the record with no look at the progress. Should have known this wouldn’t be a serious discussion.
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