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  • @d-bone said:

    Yup,  just the usual "reports" from the same couple of "sources" and not a single quote from Darnold anywhere saying "I don't want to play for the Browns".

    Right....I heard it on the typical sports shows but I have heard it from college football "insiders" that he wasn't a lock to come out and that was back early in the season.   Nothing as dramatic as I don't want to play for the Browns or any other team for that matter, just that he wasn't completely committed to leaving school early. 

  • This from Royce on OL^^The one thing I'll give SB credit for. We may now have a new young core of starting 2nd fiddle players, thru his re-boot process, but the OL is locked up peeps..The new core OL is signed up'd--JT till 2019..Durango-Coleman-Tretter till 2020..Zeiter till 22..Joel thru 2023..The real issues may show-up if one more goes down? M.Martin,Reiter,Barker are all signed thru 2018. We may need a good look at sometime.Agree with Tour on Zach Banner's early poor performance at next level but his rookie contract gets him here till 2021.. if a Schwartz or Greco shall ever come out in Zach? Get RB's with some burst/vision/hole anticipation with balance. Than a QB that can be allowed to kill the play to the right plays(Hue's formation won't allow this most the time,flag hue not the players)..This OL will face 8 in the box till SB finds a QB with some passing touch & 3 WR's that can start on someones Thanksgiving Day Family Football Game..(a early gobble,gobble)..      

  • @the-gipper said:

    Mayfield does have about 3 inches on Johnny.  And that's about it.

    I doubt that. We'll see at the combine.

    I thought JFF was about 5'10"....and Mayfield is listed at 6'1".    

    Is that wrong?

    Yes. By a decent amount.

    @wargograw said:

    Yes. By a decent amount.

    Well....I think that whoever measured JFF at 5'11 3/4 inches must have had him on the Rack for a few days.

  • @wargograw said:

    Yes. By a decent amount.

    Well....I think that whoever measured JFF at 5'11 3/4 inches must have had him on the Rack for a few days.

    @the-gipper said:

    Well....I think that whoever measured JFF at 5'11 3/4 inches must have had him on the Rack for a few days.

    It was at the combine.

  • The more I watch Wilson the more I pray we find a receiver like Baldwin to win those type of balls that shouldn't be completed.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    The more I watch Wilson the more I pray we find a receiver like Baldwin to win those type of balls that shouldn't be completed.  

    Indeed.

    But, if Gordon ever looks halfway as good as he used to, Coleman stays healthy, and Njoku keeps developing, it's a damn good start. They will likely land a bust top WR in the draft too, so we shall see.

    I haven't seen Allen play at all, but his stats definitely don't scream "franchise NFL QB"

  • @tiamat63 said:

    The more I watch Wilson the more I pray we find a receiver like Baldwin to win those type of balls that shouldn't be completed.  

    Indeed.

    But, if Gordon ever looks halfway as good as he used to, Coleman stays healthy, and Njoku keeps developing, it's a damn good start. They will likely land a bust top WR in the draft too, so we shall see.

    I haven't seen Allen play at all, but his stats definitely don't scream "franchise NFL QB"

    @sd_tom said:

    I haven't seen Allen play at all, but his stats definitely don't scream "franchise NFL QB"

    Well everyone gets a chance tomorrow night @ 10:15 pm eastern on ESPNU. They are @ a not very good defensively Air Force team. You can also watch Texas A&M-N.M. the game before (7pm). We only have freshman QB's, but you can watch WR Christian Kirk though.

  • Go for both Mason Rudolph QB...and James Washington WR from OK State?     I know...Big 12 QBs.

  • Gip-I'm thinking both of them are day 2 at the earliest. Worth a gamble round 3 on maybe.

  • Gip-I'm thinking both of them are day 2 at the earliest. Worth a gamble round 3 on maybe.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Gip-I'm thinking both of them are day 2 at the earliest. Worth a gamble round 3 on maybe.

    They won't last that long I do not believe.  Washington is considered one of the prime WR prospects out there.   Rudolph could go in round one...as he is prototypical size, arm, athleticism. Puts up big numbers.    And if there is a run on QBs...he will go Day one.  And wait till they go through the season.  Last year at this time a lot of people thought Trubisky was a Day 2 prospect.    Well...the numeral 2 was correct....just not for the right designation.

  • Logan Woodside could be a decent project for a team. NOT the Browns, but a good team where he can sit.

  • Here's whats left of the NCAA 2016 power rankings by CBS of QB's that run a similar Pro-Style Offense..#2.Josh Rosen(63%)..#3.Luke Falk(68%)..#4.Mason Rudolph(63%)..#6.Tanner Mangum-BYU(he's 24) out Achilles..#7.Jake Browning Washington(68%)..#11.Brett Rypien(65%)<<Mark's son at Boise St...#12.Brent Stockhill-Middle Tennessee..If Hue is still around? Lamar Jackson just now hit a 60% Completion percentage of his college career        

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Gip-I'm thinking both of them are day 2 at the earliest. Worth a gamble round 3 on maybe.

    They won't last that long I do not believe.  Washington is considered one of the prime WR prospects out there.   Rudolph could go in round one...as he is prototypical size, arm, athleticism. Puts up big numbers.    And if there is a run on QBs...he will go Day one.  And wait till they go through the season.  Last year at this time a lot of people thought Trubisky was a Day 2 prospect.    Well...the numeral 2 was correct....just not for the right designation.

    @the-gipper said:

    They won't last that long I do not believe.  Washington is considered one of the prime WR prospects out there.   Rudolph could go in round one...as he is prototypical size, arm, athleticism. Puts up big numbers.    And if there is a run on QBs...he will go Day one.  And wait till they go through the season.  Last year at this time a lot of people thought Trubisky was a Day 2 prospect.    Well...the numeral 2 was correct....just not for the right designation.

    Writeup on Washington from Walterfootball: They rate him as 16th best WR

    image: http://walterfootball.com/college/OklahomaState_logo.gif

    OklahomaState_logo.gif James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State
    Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
    Projected Round (2018): 3-5.

    11/4/17: Washington has caught 45 passes for 1,005 yards with eight touchdowns this season. He is a deep-threat receiver with a lot of production in his college spread attack, which takes advantage of a lot of weak defenses.

    Some team sources told me they graded Washington as a mid-rounder. Washington has a running back build and is not really twitchy. He is deceptively fast, but that is build-up speed rather than first-step explosiveness. Sources also say that he has good hands, but doesn't really make players miss after the catch. One team source said they graded Washington as a late fourth-rounder.

    7/17/17: Over the past few seasons, Washington has been a big-play threat for the Cowboys. He put 71 receptions for 1,380 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2016, including a record-setting game against Pittsburgh (9-296-2) and a domination of Colorado cornerback Chidobe Awuzie in the bowl game (9-171-1). As a sophomore, Washington snagged 53 passes for 1,087 yards with 10 scores. Washington has decent size and can stretch teams vertically with speed.
    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018WR.php#Wv6CWQb4f5wG6WLj.99
  • @sd_tom said:

    I haven't seen Allen play at all, but his stats definitely don't scream "franchise NFL QB"

    Well everyone gets a chance tomorrow night @ 10:15 pm eastern on ESPNU. They are @ a not very good defensively Air Force team. You can also watch Texas A&M-N.M. the game before (7pm). We only have freshman QB's, but you can watch WR Christian Kirk though.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Well everyone gets a chance tomorrow night @ 10:15 pm eastern on ESPNU. They are @ a not very good defensively Air Force team. You can also watch Texas A&M-N.M. the game before (7pm). We only have freshman QB's, but you can watch WR Christian Kirk though.

    I'll be tuned in Ag. & besides if you're scouting- Saturday 4PM EST FOX USC- Colorado (Darnold). 8PM EST FOX Oklahoma- TCU (Mayfield). Next Saturday you get a double whammy- USC- UCLA Darnold vs Rosen. Break out the Doritos and beer. 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Well everyone gets a chance tomorrow night @ 10:15 pm eastern on ESPNU. They are @ a not very good defensively Air Force team. You can also watch Texas A&M-N.M. the game before (7pm). We only have freshman QB's, but you can watch WR Christian Kirk though.

    I'll be tuned in Ag. & besides if you're scouting- Saturday 4PM EST FOX USC- Colorado (Darnold). 8PM EST FOX Oklahoma- TCU (Mayfield). Next Saturday you get a double whammy- USC- UCLA Darnold vs Rosen. Break out the Doritos and beer. 

    @hoorta said:

    I'll be tuned in Ag. & besides if you're scouting- Saturday 4PM EST FOX USC- Colorado (Darnold). 8PM EST FOX Oklahoma- TCU (Mayfield). Next Saturday you get a double whammy- USC- UCLA Darnold vs Rosen. Break out the Doritos and beer. 

    Since I think those two are the best on the field, I'll record that USC-UCLA game.

  • https://withthefirstpick.com/2017/05/31/calvin-ridley-alabama-2018-nfl-draft-scouting-report/

    I hope the Browns second pick is high enough to get Ridley. If he's already gone, well...

    https://withthefirstpick.com/2017/08/03/minkah-fitzpatrick-alabama-2018-nfl-draft-scouting-report/

    and with the very first pick in the draft.... I think that has been explained already... lol

  • My buddy who's a ucla guy says Darnold sucks (go figure) and that ucla sucks so bad it's hard to know with  rosen. If he had decent guys around him,  he'd have some  really killer stats compared to now

  • We have to pull the trigger this year on a qb in the first round and a wr.

  • Some are saying we should draft Rudolph........ has good speed known as a bit of a Dasher and can be a good Dancer in the pocket .... I wonder if he can handle defenses when they go all out Blitzen .... 

    He would be perfect in Cleveland along with all the other misfit toys at Hue's disposal

  • @the-gipper said:

    They won't last that long I do not believe.  Washington is considered one of the prime WR prospects out there.   Rudolph could go in round one...as he is prototypical size, arm, athleticism. Puts up big numbers.    And if there is a run on QBs...he will go Day one.  And wait till they go through the season.  Last year at this time a lot of people thought Trubisky was a Day 2 prospect.    Well...the numeral 2 was correct....just not for the right designation.

    Writeup on Washington from Walterfootball: They rate him as 16th best WR

    image: http://walterfootball.com/college/OklahomaState_logo.gif

    OklahomaState_logo.gif James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State
    Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
    Projected Round (2018): 3-5.

    11/4/17: Washington has caught 45 passes for 1,005 yards with eight touchdowns this season. He is a deep-threat receiver with a lot of production in his college spread attack, which takes advantage of a lot of weak defenses.

    Some team sources told me they graded Washington as a mid-rounder. Washington has a running back build and is not really twitchy. He is deceptively fast, but that is build-up speed rather than first-step explosiveness. Sources also say that he has good hands, but doesn't really make players miss after the catch. One team source said they graded Washington as a late fourth-rounder.

    7/17/17: Over the past few seasons, Washington has been a big-play threat for the Cowboys. He put 71 receptions for 1,380 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2016, including a record-setting game against Pittsburgh (9-296-2) and a domination of Colorado cornerback Chidobe Awuzie in the bowl game (9-171-1). As a sophomore, Washington snagged 53 passes for 1,087 yards with 10 scores. Washington has decent size and can stretch teams vertically with speed.
    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018WR.php#Wv6CWQb4f5wG6WLj.99

    @texasag1969 said:

    Writeup on Washington from Walterfootball: They rate him as 16th best WR

    image: http://walterfootball.com/college/OklahomaState_logo.gif

    OklahomaState_logo.gif James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State
    Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
    Projected Round (2018): 3-5.

    11/4/17: Washington has caught 45 passes for 1,005 yards with eight touchdowns this season. He is a deep-threat receiver with a lot of production in his college spread attack, which takes advantage of a lot of weak defenses.

    Some team sources told me they graded Washington as a mid-rounder. Washington has a running back build and is not really twitchy. He is deceptively fast, but that is build-up speed rather than first-step explosiveness. Sources also say that he has good hands, but doesn't really make players miss after the catch. One team source said they graded Washington as a late fourth-rounder.

    7/17/17: Over the past few seasons, Washington has been a big-play threat for the Cowboys. He put 71 receptions for 1,380 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2016, including a record-setting game against Pittsburgh (9-296-2) and a domination of Colorado cornerback Chidobe Awuzie in the bowl game (9-171-1). As a sophomore, Washington snagged 53 passes for 1,087 yards with 10 scores. Washington has decent size and can stretch teams vertically with speed.
    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2018WR.php#Wv6CWQb4f5wG6WLj.99

    Well....from this, this guy would seem to be an analytics proponents dream.  He puts up all kind of production numbers.

    And all I am saying is that based on my non professional opinion....he seems to really do well.   But, sure....a person with an eye for talent  (in other words....no on on the Browns staff)  would have to do a proper assessment of him.  "Right now I would not just accept this Walter football review...because it varies.  Look at this from CBS:

    RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT
    6 James Washington WR 2 Oklahoma State Sr 6-0 205
    11 Courtland Sutton WR 0 Southern Methodist Soph 6-4 215
    17 Deontay Burnett WR 0 Southern California Jr 6-0 170
    33 Anthony Miller WR 0 Memphis Sr 5-11 190
    39 Christian Kirk WR 4 Texas A&M Jr 5-11 200
    52 Marcell Ateman WR 0 Oklahoma State Sr 6-4 220
    59 Deon Cain WR 3 Clemson Jr 6-1 210
    64 Simmie Cobbs Jr. WR 0 Indiana Jr 6-4 220
    67 Dante Pettis WR 10 Washington Sr

    6-1

    They have Washington as the #6 overall best prospect.....and #1 WR

  • I like Calvin Ridley , Bama