Do we get more sunshine pumping this week....
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Getting a lil personal talking about my weight... aren't you? Putting the "personal" in PT?
Specific point is there was a core in those late 80's teams upon which to build... a franchise QB for starters. Bud Carson was simply not the HC to build it. And, in the end, neither was Arcosi the GM to do so. And remember.... Bernie "Diminished Skills" Kosar was the keystone in the tear down's third year.
General point was my continuing battle against this "quick turn" myth that will not die.
As for the Process... it really began this past off-season. We are nowhere near your 4-month, PT parallel... more like Week 2... we're stiff and sore and irritable as hell and wondering WTF we are paying someone to do this to us.
BTW I lost 5 pounds trooping around London and France for two weeks... but my weight redistribution was much more impressive. Guess that's what averaging over 7 miles a day while eating french cooking (and baking) will do to even an old fart like me.
Fair enough with your opinion of where we are in The Process....... (even if it's wrong)
Awesome news regarding your weight as that is not easy to do when on vacation - very impressive! Now, can you sustain that, as that's what The Process is all about right, sustainability?
........... and on a super positive note, Brittany Force won the NHRA Top Fuel title today!
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Why do you people always want to ignore what preceded the bottom with which you choose to start? In this case 5 consecutive playoff teams... including 2 SB contenders.
Look there and tell me if you see anything similar to that which the current regime started?
I have a feeling there were next to no players from the '85-89 run on that 1994 team Tour.
The 1989 team was on fumes, they kind of backed into the playoffs after a good start to the season. Belichick pretty much rebuilt the Browns, that was part of the reason he was so disliked, he held no loyalty to players from the late 80s teams.
I have a feeling there were next to no players from the '85-89 run on that 1994 team Tour.
The 1989 team was on fumes, they kind of backed into the playoffs after a good start to the season. Belichick pretty much rebuilt the Browns, that was part of the reason he was so disliked, he held no loyalty to players from the late 80s teams.
Likely and agree...
'89 was the year we realized Marty's playoff issues might not have been so bad after all (and '90 confirmed it), but '94 is not the fair comparison as it was near the end of Bill's process. Let's look at his beginning.
1990
Offensive Starters QB Bernie Kosar 27 5 13 230 for 423, 2,562 yards, 10 td, 15 int, & 10 rushes for 13 yards and 0 td Cleveland Browns / 1st / 1st pick / 1985 Supp RB Eric Metcalf 22 1 10 80 rushes for 248 yards, 1 td, & 57 catches for 452 yards and 1 td Cleveland Browns / 1st / 13th pick / 1989 FB Kevin Mack 28 5 14 158 rushes for 702 yards, 5 td, & 42 catches for 360 yards and 2 td Cleveland Browns / 1st / 11th pick / 1984 Supp WR Reggie Langhorne 27 5 11 45 catches for 585 yards, 2 td Cleveland Browns / 7th / 175th pick / 1985 WR Webster Slaughter 26 4 16 59 catches for 847 yards, 4 td, & 5 rushes for 29 yards and 0 td Cleveland Browns / 2nd / 43rd pick / 1986 TE Ozzie Newsome 34 12 15 23 catches for 240 yards, 2 td Cleveland Browns / 1st / 23rd pick / 1978 LT Paul Farren 30 7 16 1 fumble recovered Cleveland Browns / 12th / 316th pick / 1983 LG Ralph Tamm 24 Rook 12 New York Jets / 9th / 230th pick / 1988 C Mike Baab 31 8 16 Cleveland Browns / 5th / 115th pick / 1982 RG Gregg Rakoczy 25 3 12 Cleveland Browns / 2nd / 32nd pick / 1987 RT Tony Jones 24 2 16 Defensive Starters LDE Al Baker 34 12 9 3.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Detroit Lions / 2nd / 40th pick / 1978 LDT Chris Pike 26 1 11 0.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Philadelphia Eagles / 6th / 158th pick / 1987 RDT Michael Dean Perry*+ 25 2 16 11.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Cleveland Browns / 2nd / 50th pick / 1988 RDE Robert Banks 27 2 9 Houston Oilers / 7th / 176th pick / 1987 LLB Clay Matthews 34 12 16 3.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Cleveland Browns / 1st / 12th pick / 1978 MLB Mike Johnson* 28 4 15 2.0 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered Cleveland Browns / 1st / 18th pick / 1984 Supp RLB David Grayson 26 3 8 1.0 sacks, 1 interception, 1 fumble recovered San Francisco 49ers / 8th / 217th pick / 1987 LCB Frank Minnifield 30 6 8 0.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered RCB Raymond Clayborn 35 13 16 New England Patriots / 1st / 16th pick / 1977 SS Felix Wright 31 5 16 0.0 sacks, 3 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered FS Thane Gash 25 2 16 0.0 sacks, 1 interception, 2 fumbles recovered Cleveland Browns / 7th / 188th pick / 1988 1991
Offensive Starters QB Bernie Kosar 28 6 16 307 for 494, 3,487 yards, 18 td, 9 int, & 26 rushes for 74 yards and 0 td Cleveland Browns / 1st / 1st pick / 1985 Supp RB Leroy Hoard 23 1 9 37 rushes for 154 yards, 2 td, & 48 catches for 567 yards and 9 td Cleveland Browns / 2nd / 45th pick / 1990 FB Kevin Mack 29 6 11 197 rushes for 726 yards, 8 td, & 40 catches for 255 yards and 2 td Cleveland Browns / 1st / 11th pick / 1984 Supp WR Reggie Langhorne 28 6 9 39 catches for 505 yards, 2 td Cleveland Browns / 7th / 175th pick / 1985 WR Webster Slaughter 27 5 16 64 catches for 906 yards, 3 td Cleveland Browns / 2nd / 43rd pick / 1986 TE Scott Galbraith 24 1 13 27 catches for 328 yards, 0 td Cleveland Browns / 7th / 178th pick / 1990 LT Tony Jones 25 3 16 1 fumble recovered LG John Rienstra 28 5 16 1 fumble recovered Pittsburgh Steelers / 1st / 9th pick / 1986 C Mike Baab 32 9 16 1 fumble recovered Cleveland Browns / 5th / 115th pick / 1982 RG Ed King 22 Rook 15 1 fumble recovered Cleveland Browns / 2nd / 29th pick / 1991 RT Dan Fike 30 6 16 New York Jets / 10th / 274th pick / 1983 Defensive Starters LDE Rob Burnett 24 1 8 3.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Cleveland Browns / 5th / 129th pick / 1990 LDT James Jones 22 Rook 16 1.0 sacks, 1 interception, 3 fumbles recovered Cleveland Browns / 3rd / 57th pick / 1991 RDT Michael Dean Perry* 26 3 15 8.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Cleveland Browns / 2nd / 50th pick / 1988 RDE Anthony Pleasant 23 1 7 2.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Cleveland Browns / 3rd / 73rd pick / 1990 LLB Van Waiters 26 3 9 1.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Cleveland Browns / 3rd / 77th pick / 1988 MLB Richard Brown 26 4 12 0.5 sacks, 1 interception, 1 fumble recovered RLB Clay Matthews 35 13 15 6.5 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered Cleveland Browns / 1st / 12th pick / 1978 LCB Frank Minnifield 31 7 11 RCB Randy Hilliard 24 1 10 2.0 sacks, 1 interception, 1 fumble recovered Cleveland Browns / 6th / 157th pick / 1990 SS Harlon Barnett 24 1 10 1.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Cleveland Browns / 4th / 101st pick / 1990 FS Vince Newsome 30 8 15 0.0 sacks, 1 interception, 4 fumbles recovered Los Angeles Rams / 4th / 97th pick / 1983 -
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Getting a lil personal talking about my weight... aren't you? Putting the "personal" in PT?
Specific point is there was a core in those late 80's teams upon which to build... a franchise QB for starters. Bud Carson was simply not the HC to build it. And, in the end, neither was Arcosi the GM to do so. And remember.... Bernie "Diminished Skills" Kosar was the keystone in the tear down's third year.
General point was my continuing battle against this "quick turn" myth that will not die.
As for the Process... it really began this past off-season. We are nowhere near your 4-month, PT parallel... more like Week 2... we're stiff and sore and irritable as hell and wondering WTF we are paying someone to do this to us.
BTW I lost 5 pounds trooping around London and France for two weeks... but my weight redistribution was much more impressive. Guess that's what averaging over 7 miles a day while eating french cooking (and baking) will do to even an old fart like me.
Fair enough with your opinion of where we are in The Process....... (even if it's wrong)
Awesome news regarding your weight as that is not easy to do when on vacation - very impressive! Now, can you sustain that, as that's what The Process is all about right, sustainability?
........... and on a super positive note, Brittany Force won the NHRA Top Fuel title today!
Fair enough with your opinion of where we are in The Process....... (even if it's wrong)
Awesome news regarding your weight as that is not easy to do when on vacation - very impressive! Now, can you sustain that, as that's what The Process is all about right, sustainability?
And wrong it nay yet turn out to be... but it needs a real chance.
As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This team has a very serious chance at going 0-16.
That is why prison rape has been changed to the slang term “the process”.
“I just Browns’d up and went to the showers when Jerome was in there. Nearly got put through ‘The Process’ “.
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Fair enough with your opinion of where we are in The Process....... (even if it's wrong)
Awesome news regarding your weight as that is not easy to do when on vacation - very impressive! Now, can you sustain that, as that's what The Process is all about right, sustainability?
And wrong it nay yet turn out to be... but it needs a real chance.
As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.
As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.
^ and that sir is the secret that most people can't find...... If you can find something that you love and is truly fun to do, then it's never exercise - much like that phrase that I unfortunately never found: "If you do something you love, you'll never work a day in your life"..... That's way easier said than done I know.
For me, I'm lucky enough to absolutely love Mountain Biking and it just so happens to be probably one of the most demanding forms of exercise that I have ever done in my life. Hopefully I'll be able to do it well past my 50th on Saturday...... < Still can't believe I just typed that, as I'm still 25 in my mind.
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That is why prison rape has been changed to the slang term “the process”.
“I just Browns’d up and went to the showers when Jerome was in there. Nearly got out through ‘The Process’ “.
Holy Hell dude!! I literally snorted on that one.
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Yeah...our defense is ranked higher than the Rams....so the Browns defense is better than the Rams defense. Only in the bizarro world of the sunshine and rainbows of 0-9, 1-24, and a HC who is 2-30 in his last 32 games. These guys are fucking awesome.
Yeah...our defense is ranked higher than the Rams....so the Browns defense is better than the Rams defense.
in some categories yes our defense is better than the rams. They also benefit from an offense that can control the ball etc, etc. There's many variables. I'm very sure they have positions where they're more talented and we have positions where we're more talented. I'm not going to outright say we have a better defense than theirs because I haven't watched them play. But I do know they have one of the best offense's in football. #3 overall. 5th in rushing and 6th in passing I believe. In any case, top 3 offense. That's why they're 7-2. And good for them. Come playoff time, that defense will have to likely step it up and if they do that could be an NFC championship team. Nobody's beating the Patriots tho so it doesn't matter. But please, could you please look sht up before you type stuff out? Would it have killed you to say "you know maybe I should look where the Rams offense is before I make baseless random statements."
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As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.
^ and that sir is the secret that most people can't find...... If you can find something that you love and is truly fun to do, then it's never exercise - much like that phrase that I unfortunately never found: "If you do something you love, you'll never work a day in your life"..... That's way easier said than done I know.
For me, I'm lucky enough to absolutely love Mountain Biking and it just so happens to be probably one of the most demanding forms of exercise that I have ever done in my life. Hopefully I'll be able to do it well past my 50th on Saturday...... < Still can't believe I just typed that, as I'm still 25 in my mind.
^ and that sir is the secret that most people can't find...... If you can find something that you love and is truly fun to do, then it's never exercise - much like that phrase that I unfortunately never found: "If you do something you love, you'll never work a day in your life"..... That's way easier said than done I know.
For me, I'm lucky enough to absolutely love Mountain Biking and it just so happens to be probably one of the most demanding forms of exercise that I have ever done in my life. Hopefully I'll be able to do it well past my 50th on Saturday...... < Still can't believe I just typed that, as I'm still 25 in my mind.
I started Brazilian jiu jitsu when I was too young to appreciate it. I started back up in my 30s and have stuck with it. You are correct. Finding that physical activity that you actually enjoy is super important. I don’t mind lifting weights but I wouldn’t call it fun. And running has never given me a ‘high’.
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^ and that sir is the secret that most people can't find...... If you can find something that you love and is truly fun to do, then it's never exercise - much like that phrase that I unfortunately never found: "If you do something you love, you'll never work a day in your life"..... That's way easier said than done I know.
For me, I'm lucky enough to absolutely love Mountain Biking and it just so happens to be probably one of the most demanding forms of exercise that I have ever done in my life. Hopefully I'll be able to do it well past my 50th on Saturday...... < Still can't believe I just typed that, as I'm still 25 in my mind.
I started Brazilian jiu jitsu when I was too young to appreciate it. I started back up in my 30s and have stuck with it. You are correct. Finding that physical activity that you actually enjoy is super important. I don’t mind lifting weights but I wouldn’t call it fun. And running has never given me a ‘high’.
I started Brazilian jiu jitsu when I was too young to appreciate it. I started back up in my 30s and have stuck with it. You are correct. Finding that physical activity that you actually enjoy is super important. I don’t mind lifting weights but I wouldn’t call it fun. And running has never given me a ‘high’.
Nice! I also lift (Bro) a couple times a week, and have most of my life, but just like you I don't think it's fun.... it's freakin' exercise. As for running? Only if I had the ball, was chasing someone with the ball, running from a predator or was on fire and panicking.
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This my friends was what a REAL Process looked like:
Interesting that you brought this period of time up.
How many QBs were drafted with first round pick and started the first game during that rebuild process?
How many head coaches were fired within two years or less of hiring? Defensive Coords? Offensive Coords?
How many GMs and every other FO person were flushed?
Was it a rebuild through draft only?
Did they go from 3-13 to 16-0 and win a championship in a single season?
Why wasn't the team sold, everyone fired during or after the 1992 season, all the players traded, a QB drafted and started in the first game for 1993, then?
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Fair enough with your opinion of where we are in The Process....... (even if it's wrong)
Awesome news regarding your weight as that is not easy to do when on vacation - very impressive! Now, can you sustain that, as that's what The Process is all about right, sustainability?
And wrong it nay yet turn out to be... but it needs a real chance.
As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.
And wrong it nay yet turn out to be... but it needs a real chance.
As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.
I've told my wife every time we get back from Europe 5-10 lbs lighter that my new weight loss program is just to move there because you walk constantly and there are very few fast food joints just sitting on the corner.
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Sunshine pumping? In November? In Northeast Ohio? BS! Anyone with half a functional brain cells knows the sun won't shine here again until April. It's moon tans and lake effect till then.
Dumbasses!
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Yeah...our defense is ranked higher than the Rams....so the Browns defense is better than the Rams defense.
in some categories yes our defense is better than the rams. They also benefit from an offense that can control the ball etc, etc. There's many variables. I'm very sure they have positions where they're more talented and we have positions where we're more talented. I'm not going to outright say we have a better defense than theirs because I haven't watched them play. But I do know they have one of the best offense's in football. #3 overall. 5th in rushing and 6th in passing I believe. In any case, top 3 offense. That's why they're 7-2. And good for them. Come playoff time, that defense will have to likely step it up and if they do that could be an NFC championship team. Nobody's beating the Patriots tho so it doesn't matter. But please, could you please look sht up before you type stuff out? Would it have killed you to say "you know maybe I should look where the Rams offense is before I make baseless random statements."
in some categories yes our defense is better than the rams. They also benefit from an offense that can control the ball etc, etc. There's many variables. I'm very sure they have positions where they're more talented and we have positions where we're more talented. I'm not going to outright say we have a better defense than theirs because I haven't watched them play. But I do know they have one of the best offense's in football. #3 overall. 5th in rushing and 6th in passing I believe. In any case, top 3 offense. That's why they're 7-2. And good for them. Come playoff time, that defense will have to likely step it up and if they do that could be an NFC championship team. Nobody's beating the Patriots tho so it doesn't matter. But please, could you please look sht up before you type stuff out? Would it have killed you to say "you know maybe I should look where the Rams offense is before I make baseless random statements."
Why look shit up...i can look at the standings and they are a better team. The offense is better, the defense is better, special teams are better and the coaching staff is better. They are 7-2 and we are 0-9. Who's better?
As its already been pointed out to you....they are near the top in POINTS ALLOWED, and I think that's a bit better than whatever stats you were using to say the Browns defense was 6th and 9th or whatever the hell stats you had.
You can look at whatever lame ass stats you want to convince yourself that the Browns are better than they really are....but they're 0-9 and the HC needs to go. If that means we lose the rest of these 0-9 coaches...so be it.
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And wrong it nay yet turn out to be... but it needs a real chance.
As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.
I've told my wife every time we get back from Europe 5-10 lbs lighter that my new weight loss program is just to move there because you walk constantly and there are very few fast food joints just sitting on the corner.
I've told my wife every time we get back from Europe 5-10 lbs lighter that my new weight loss program is just to move there because you walk constantly and there are very few fast food joints just sitting on the corner.
Well, I guess it depends where you're going on a travel. I mean, in Basque Country and Navarre (Spain), you go to a restaurant and eat A LOT. About walking, I guess in USA it's not that normal, but it has to do with urban design. Cities there are completely designed following a big grid plan with huge distances that make it more necessary to get the car to go anywhere. Here cities have many historic layers (roman, gothic medieval, baroque, XIX-XX century grid-like expansion districts...) and are built in more defensive positions, so the terrain is not flat almost anywhere.
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I've told my wife every time we get back from Europe 5-10 lbs lighter that my new weight loss program is just to move there because you walk constantly and there are very few fast food joints just sitting on the corner.
Well, I guess it depends where you're going on a travel. I mean, in Basque Country and Navarre (Spain), you go to a restaurant and eat A LOT. About walking, I guess in USA it's not that normal, but it has to do with urban design. Cities there are completely designed following a big grid plan with huge distances that make it more necessary to get the car to go anywhere. Here cities have many historic layers (roman, gothic medieval, baroque, XIX-XX century grid-like expansion districts...) and are built in more defensive positions, so the terrain is not flat almost anywhere.
Well, I guess it depends where you're going on a travel. I mean, in Basque Country and Navarre (Spain), you go to a restaurant and eat A LOT. About walking, I guess in USA it's not that normal, but it has to do with urban design. Cities there are completely designed following a big grid plan with huge distances that make it more necessary to get the car to go anywhere. Here cities have many historic layers (roman, gothic medieval, baroque, XIX-XX century grid-like expansion districts...) and are built in more defensive positions, so the terrain is not flat almost anywhere.
Yes, I like the little "city states" we found in both Spain and Italy with the walls still around the inner city in many of them. A lot of history to walk through. The city wall around Ciudad Rodrigo is intact and can be walked around on the top with great views even down to an old Roman built bridge across the river below.
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Well, I guess it depends where you're going on a travel. I mean, in Basque Country and Navarre (Spain), you go to a restaurant and eat A LOT. About walking, I guess in USA it's not that normal, but it has to do with urban design. Cities there are completely designed following a big grid plan with huge distances that make it more necessary to get the car to go anywhere. Here cities have many historic layers (roman, gothic medieval, baroque, XIX-XX century grid-like expansion districts...) and are built in more defensive positions, so the terrain is not flat almost anywhere.
Yes, I like the little "city states" we found in both Spain and Italy with the walls still around the inner city in many of them. A lot of history to walk through. The city wall around Ciudad Rodrigo is intact and can be walked around on the top with great views even down to an old Roman built bridge across the river below.
Yes, I like the little "city states" we found in both Spain and Italy with the walls still around the inner city in many of them. A lot of history to walk through. The city wall around Ciudad Rodrigo is intact and can be walked around on the top with great views even down to an old Roman built bridge across the river below.
The more accurate concept is 'fortified cities', I would say.
If you like that, then you can have a look at my city. We got one of the best conserved citadels in Europe and still mantain the northern wall that protected the old city. If I had a better internet where I am at the moment I would post pics, heh.
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And wrong it nay yet turn out to be... but it needs a real chance.
As for the weight... issue will be there I had a reason to walk... it's part of the general life style and moreso when you visit to see stuff. Here? If I walk, more than the weekly shopping trip, then it's to walk... a/k/a boring as hell.
I've told my wife every time we get back from Europe 5-10 lbs lighter that my new weight loss program is just to move there because you walk constantly and there are very few fast food joints just sitting on the corner.
I've told my wife every time we get back from Europe 5-10 lbs lighter that my new weight loss program is just to move there because you walk constantly and there are very few fast food joints just sitting on the corner.
It's slow food and no better for you than McD's... but you walk to the restaurant.
About walking, I guess in USA it's not that normal, but it has to do with urban design.
Including some streets so narrow cars cannot do down them...
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