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  • @mark-o said:

    The Jags defense is for real and Fournette is really good as well.  They may be a decent QB away from being one of the best in the AFC.   Cousins, Alex Smith or sure maybe Eli would all be in play for the Jags. 

    Why Alex Smith?  Is he an FA after the season?

    @the-gipper said:

    Why Alex Smith?  Is he an FA after the season?

    I think the Chiefs will want to move on from him to play Mahomes. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Why Alex Smith?  Is he an FA after the season?

    I think the Chiefs will want to move on from him to play Mahomes. 

    @mark-o said:

    I think the Chiefs will want to move on from him to play Mahomes. 

    I wouldn't if I were them.  Maybe after next year....but not after this year....not as long as they are a serious contender.

  • @mark-o said:

    I think the Chiefs will want to move on from him to play Mahomes. 

    I wouldn't if I were them.  Maybe after next year....but not after this year....not as long as they are a serious contender.

    @the-gipper said:

    I wouldn't if I were them.  Maybe after next year....but not after this year....not as long as they are a serious contender.

    Probably not till 2019

  • @mld-woody said:

    You build a team for the QB first, then get the QB.

    This is correct but the problem you can run into is not being able to bring the guy in when the franchise is ready.  While Tim Couch and David Carr got f'd look at the Jags.  They are ready but Bortles isn't the guy and no guarantee you get him in this years draft.

    @baconhound said:

    This is correct but the problem you can run into is not being able to bring the guy in when the franchise is ready.  While Tim Couch and David Carr got f'd look at the Jags.  They are ready but Bortles isn't the guy and no guarantee you get him in this years draft.

    Agree... I was a staunch "QB first" guy as that is when you are most likely in position to nab "the guy". But this FO, our FO, has shown me another path. So now, to my mind the order is situational. If you believe you see a generational QB talent, you take him, if/when you are in a position to do so. Then the question becomes: do you play him day one?

    If in the alternative you choose to build around a journeyman QB and manage to milk a few wins out of that team you can win your way out of position to land "the guy". Look no further than the Jets and what McC has done there.

    I think it is clear now that what we, our FO, have done is have it both ways... to let our trio of inexperienced QBs dictate our path. Had any one of them risen to the level it would take to win with a yet incomplete Offense and, to a lesser extent, Defense, then he should be our answer to the position. But if, as has turned out to be the case, none did rise, at least not quickly enough to impact the season, then we are once again in position to have our pick of the litter.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Jags may be one of those teams that will bring in a veteran proven winner.  Some have speculated that it would be no surprise if Eli Manning ended up with his old coach Tom Coughlin in JAX  next year.

    The Jags defense is for real and Fournette is really good as well.  They may be a decent QB away from being one of the best in the AFC.   Cousins, Alex Smith or sure maybe Eli would all be in play for the Jags. 

    @mark-o said:

    The Jags defense is for real and Fournette is really good as well.  They may be a decent QB away from being one of the best in the AFC.   Cousins, Alex Smith or sure maybe Eli would all be in play for the Jags. 

    I don't see Eli being around long enough to be a good choice, but he certainly could put them over the top for a season.

    The Cousins $$$ competition looks like it'll be ridiculous... even with a likely reduced interest in SF. Smith's trade value is also likely to rise, but could still be "reasonable" given his age and KC potential interest in moving him.

    @the-gipper said:

    Why Alex Smith?  Is he an FA after the season?

    Salary cap... I wrote about this a month ago when I raised his name for us.

  • @mark-o said:

    The Jags defense is for real and Fournette is really good as well.  They may be a decent QB away from being one of the best in the AFC.   Cousins, Alex Smith or sure maybe Eli would all be in play for the Jags. 

    I don't see Eli being around long enough to be a good choice, but he certainly could put them over the top for a season.

    The Cousins $$$ competition looks like it'll be ridiculous... even with a likely reduced interest in SF. Smith's trade value is also likely to rise, but could still be "reasonable" given his age and KC potential interest in moving him.

    @the-gipper said:

    Why Alex Smith?  Is he an FA after the season?

    Salary cap... I wrote about this a month ago when I raised his name for us.

    @tour2ma said:

    I don't see Eli being around long enough to be a good choice, but he certainly could put them over the top for a season.

    Eli is only 36 years old.   Brady is still going at 40...Eli could give them 2 or 3 decent years and with that Jags defense and Fournette at RB, hell..they'd be a force in the AFC each year.  Would probably be worth it if I was the Jags. 

  • @mark-o said:

    The Jags defense is for real and Fournette is really good as well.  They may be a decent QB away from being one of the best in the AFC.   Cousins, Alex Smith or sure maybe Eli would all be in play for the Jags. 

    I don't see Eli being around long enough to be a good choice, but he certainly could put them over the top for a season.

    The Cousins $$$ competition looks like it'll be ridiculous... even with a likely reduced interest in SF. Smith's trade value is also likely to rise, but could still be "reasonable" given his age and KC potential interest in moving him.

    @the-gipper said:

    Why Alex Smith?  Is he an FA after the season?

    Salary cap... I wrote about this a month ago when I raised his name for us.

    @tour2ma said:

    I don't see Eli being around long enough to be a good choice, but he certainly could put them over the top for a season.

    Well, that is all they would really want him for. Bring in Eli, get a young new QB...and play Eli until he is no longer productive...or until the young QB is ready...which could be a couple of years. In the mean time....they would believe they have a potential championship contender.

    The Cousins $$$ competition looks like it'll be ridiculous... even with a likely reduced interest in SF. Smith's trade value is also likely to rise, but could still be "reasonable" given his age and KC potential interest in moving him.

    Salary cap... I wrote about this a month ago when I raised his name for us.

    I don't know why his salary would be an issue for them next year under the cap....if he is already under contract.  Did you say he was or was not going to be a FA after this year? Even there, how much is Alex Smith going to command?

  • But Brady is Brady... and Eli is not...

  • But Brady is Brady... and Eli is not...

    @tour2ma said:

    But Brady is Brady... and Eli is not...

    Granted....and great use of Chevy Chase by you.   I still think he'd be a decent enough fill in for a few years for a team like Jacksonville.   If I was in the FO of the Jags I would recognize that QB is holding back the team and I would do whatever I had to do to fix that.  Eli, Alex Smith, Cousins, Phil Rivers any would make them near the top of the AFC over night.

  • Agree, Mark... just a little less in Eli's case.... and now Rivers since you added him. Smith and Cousins are in their primes. Eli and Phillip... on the backside of theirs.