The Browns could land a damaged Andrew Luck for the right price.
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Only QB's who've thrown for 40 TD's in one season: Manning, Brady, Marino, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Stafford. And Andrew Luck. Who's only 28 and could be throwing to a superstar receiver. Gordon might stay clean with a chance to play with Luck. They could be unstoppable for the next 10 years.
Only QB's who've thrown for 40 TD's in one season: Manning, Brady, Marino, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Stafford. And Andrew Luck. Who's only 28 and could be throwing to a superstar receiver. Gordon might stay clean with a chance to play with Luck. They could be unstoppable for the next 10 years.
What would you offer the Colts to get Luck, ST?
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Only QB's who've thrown for 40 TD's in one season: Manning, Brady, Marino, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Stafford. And Andrew Luck. Who's only 28 and could be throwing to a superstar receiver. Gordon might stay clean with a chance to play with Luck. They could be unstoppable for the next 10 years.
What would you offer the Colts to get Luck, ST?
What would you offer the Colts to get Luck, ST?
It's impossible to say right now. What's the medical prognosis? If he's scheduled to make a full recovery, then that's a big difference. Full recovery means we'd have to give up A LOT...even with the injury concerns. I'm struggling to think of a situation that resembles this, but the only one I can think of is when Drew Brees severely injured his shoulder and his career was literally up in the air. So much so that the Chargers drafted Eli Manning and obviously traded for Rivers. The difference is that Brees wasn't the first overall pick. I assume any deal for Luck would START with a first rounder, right? Obviously not the FIRST pick of ours (which is probably the first overall) but the Texans' pick.
But I think any talk about Luck is way too premature because his shoulder seems to be a mystery. And it's his THROWING shoulder. Scares me to death. Our franchise, the most beleaguered and tortured team ever, really has to think about making a deal for a guy with a mysterious, severe, shoulder injury.
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Only QB's who've thrown for 40 TD's in one season: Manning, Brady, Marino, Brees, Rodgers, Warner, Stafford. And Andrew Luck. Who's only 28 and could be throwing to a superstar receiver. Gordon might stay clean with a chance to play with Luck. They could be unstoppable for the next 10 years.
What would you offer the Colts to get Luck, ST?
What would you offer the Colts to get Luck, ST?
First pick and Joe Thomas. No sure things in this draft and you trade one injury concern for another.
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Luck is 28 right? So if he still has gas in the tank he's got probably another 4 years? And if the Colts are ready to shitecan him?
WSS
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Luck is 28 right? So if he still has gas in the tank he's got probably another 4 years? And if the Colts are ready to shitecan him?
WSS
Luck is 28 right? So if he still has gas in the tank he's got probably another 4 years? And if the Colts are ready to shitecan him?
WSS
I believe the Colts are the last ones that are going to shitecan him. They might draft a QB this year, which they wouldn't have thought of last year, but their team is nothing without Luck.
They're not going to give up on him easily.
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This topic should not exist. With all those draft picks the Browns have the opportunity to get Darnold or Rosen. Why even bother with Luck, whose future is uncertain to say the least?
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Healthy Luck is just a notch below Aaron Rodgers. Rolling the dice on a top 5 QB in his prime makes as much sense as drafting an unproven QB. Again. And again. This board would lose it if Luck was under center Week 1 next year.
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Healthy Luck is just a notch below Aaron Rodgers. Rolling the dice on a top 5 QB in his prime makes as much sense as drafting an unproven QB. Again. And again. This board would lose it if Luck was under center Week 1 next year.
Healthy Luck is just a notch below Aaron Rodgers. Rolling the dice on a top 5 QB in his prime makes as much sense as drafting an unproven QB. Again. And again. This board would lose it if Luck was under center Week 1 next year.
And a bad shoulder Luck makes the Colts...losers.
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Healthy Luck is just a notch below Aaron Rodgers. Rolling the dice on a top 5 QB in his prime makes as much sense as drafting an unproven QB. Again. And again. This board would lose it if Luck was under center Week 1 next year.
And a bad shoulder Luck makes the Colts...losers.
And a bad shoulder Luck makes the Colts...losers.
Yes he was the difference maker....not quite a Peyton now but very adequate plus they had some better receivers and a better OL and defense, sound familiar? Think for a minute.
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Healthy Luck is just a notch below Aaron Rodgers. Rolling the dice on a top 5 QB in his prime makes as much sense as drafting an unproven QB. Again. And again. This board would lose it if Luck was under center Week 1 next year.
Healthy Luck is just a notch below Aaron Rodgers. Rolling the dice on a top 5 QB in his prime makes as much sense as drafting an unproven QB. Again. And again. This board would lose it if Luck was under center Week 1 next year.
More likely under the scalpel of the orthopedic surgeons at University Hospital in week two next year.
WSS
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And a bad shoulder Luck makes the Colts...losers.
Yes he was the difference maker....not quite a Peyton now but very adequate plus they had some better receivers and a better OL and defense, sound familiar? Think for a minute.
Yes he was the difference maker....not quite a Peyton now but very adequate plus they had some better receivers and a better OL and defense, sound familiar? Think for a minute.
I know that as soon as Manning got hurt, they couldn't win a game till they drafted luck. Then they won...... How come we never go after quality QBs? Oooooh, "Kessler? Trust me on this one"..... Hue can't tell a NFL QB from a hole in the ground... And I distrust any MFer that uses that term. Asking for trust is a sure sign of stupidity. Earn it A holes
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The Colts were the class of that rather weak division and have slipped as a team as a whole (JAX now the team there?).
Find a once in a generation franchise quarterback and build around it as very old and proven concept......if you can build correctly or else the QB dies there or want to be traded (Archie Manning!), or new recruits don't want to go there (Elway?).
If done right it works (Aikman, Marino, Bradshaw et. al.)
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@boo-fagley said:
Exactly
High miles with a history of trouble. Why are the Colts giving up on Luck if he is some savior?
Because they know more about the chances of recovery than we do. My prediction is that the Browns will be Luckless in 2018. Nyuk nyuk nyuk........
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@boo-fagley said:
I see why you are a good Lawyer. Gifted at manufacturing confusion and speaking out of both sides of your mouth. A few posts ago you were solely talking about college academics and not athletics. When I shredded that post like confetti now were back on the Stanford sports program.
If all this wasnt in writing I would be agreeing with you.
You were good at being an idiot. I give you straight simple facts and you cannot even understand them. Stanford is a great academic knowledge. Fact. Among such a great academic institutions Stanford has the best sports program. Don't believe me check out the capital one cup standingsYou were good at being an idiot. I give you straight simple facts and you cannot even understand them. Stanford is a great academic knowledge. Fact. Among such a great academic institutions Stanford has the best sports program. Don't believe me check out the capital one cup standings
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@boo-fagley said:
The E Manning and Elway trades started on draft day.
Are you trying to sell that the Chiefs # 1 pick next draft is going to be their selection and not the team they traded it to?
Hasselback happened so long ago that its hard to remember. There must be some trades back in the 50's and 60;s that panned out too.
You are the one that referenced hassle back. Can you claimed he was drafted by and see yards. He wasn't. Simple fact. So are you can't comprehend that fact.You are the one that referenced hassle back. Can you claimed he was drafted by and see yards. He wasn't. Simple fact. So are you can't comprehend that fact.
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@boo-fagley said:
Nobody is disputing that Stanford is not a prestigious university dumba$$.
You belie what you have said. You said that Stanford produced a numbskull. Even a numbskull would know better. You have not, apparently reached a level of intellect wherein you can even be called a numbskull.
Every Stanford QB is not Elway or Plunkett. Your so called facts are worthless. Only a moron would care where the QB went to school. Take a bow.
You look in a mirror lately? You said Luck was a Stanford numbskull. Apparently, clearly YOU cared where he went to school with your statement. With every word you backstep and make yourself look as ignorant as perhaps you actually are.
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@boo-fagley said:
I cannot remember the Hasselback deal it was so long ago. Which supports my point that its better to draft your own guy than to rub your lucky rabbits foot hoping a good FA QB come your way.
What it supports is the fact that you don't seem to have a fuyucking clue what you are talking about.
If the question is: is it better to draft your own guy than to hope to get a good QB in FA....the answer is: who cares? What does it matter? As long as you get a good QB to play for you.
And for historical purposes...lets see how the Browns got their QBs with which they made the playoffs:
Otto Graham...7 time champion, came to the Browns as a FA. (drafted by Lions).
Frank Ryan...title winner with Browns....came via a trade with the Rams.
Bill Nelsen...playoff caliber QB, came to the Browns via a trade with Steelers.
Mike Phipps 3rd overall pick
Brian Sipe....13th round pick
Bernie Kosar came via a supplemental draft....the pick for which they made a trade for.
Vinny Testaverde. I believe he was a FA pickup..or was that a trade? Not drafted by Browns
Kelly Holcomb....last QB to start a playoff game for the Browns: FA pickup or trade...Not drafted by Browns. (though it is fair to say that it was Tim Couch who took the team to the playoffs...who was drafted #1 overall)
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