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  • The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm

    Wisdom

  • The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm

    Actually I'm pretty sure the Rams D is worse, and they replaced Williams with a HoF DC. Got one of those for us? I’ll waiy. 

    Sashi was a consultant for the Jags promotions or something. You cant actually believe that’s a remotely credible point. 

    The Indians won 4 division championships in the 4 years Depodesta was there. 

    This couldn't have been a more terrible post. 

  • No D can do it alone...

    @tour2ma said:

    No D can do it alone...

    You're absolutely right. They need a coach too.

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    The Rams got noticably better without Williams. The Jags got better without Stosh. The tribe got better without depudpuller. So what could possibly help the Browns to get better?? Hmmmmm

    Actually I'm pretty sure the Rams D is worse, and they replaced Williams with a HoF DC. Got one of those for us? I’ll waiy. 

    Sashi was a consultant for the Jags promotions or something. You cant actually believe that’s a remotely credible point. 

    The Indians won 4 division championships in the 4 years Depodesta was there. 

    This couldn't have been a more terrible post. 

    @wargograw said:

    Actually I'm pretty sure the Rams D is worse

    2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game

    2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game

    Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last.......................... 

  • @wargograw said:

    Actually I'm pretty sure the Rams D is worse

    2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game

    2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game

    Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last.......................... 

    @d-bone said:

    2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game

    2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game

    Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last.......................... 

    U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right?

  • @d-bone said:

    2016 Rams gave up 24.6pts per game

    2017 Rams giving up 18.7pts per game

    Not the 1st time you've been wrong, and certainly not the last.......................... 

    U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right?

    @clevfan4life said:

    U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right?

    Points allowed is all I look for.....  

  • No D can do it alone...

    @tour2ma said:

    No D can do it alone...

    Well that’s just goofy.  Of course a D just can.  

    But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points?  

    none.  there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won.  zero.  nada.  Gregg Williams is a farse.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right?

    Points allowed is all I look for.....  

    @d-bone said:

    Points allowed is all I look for..... anything else is just Spin Doctoring. 

    Except that points allowed doesnt take into consideration alot of factors. Namely when ur playing with one of the worst offenses in the league it absolutely affects the defense. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    No D can do it alone...

    Well that’s just goofy.  Of course a D just can.  

    But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points?  

    none.  there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won.  zero.  nada.  Gregg Williams is a farse.

    @roach said:

    Well that’s just goofy.  Of course a D just can.  

    But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points?  

    none.  there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won.  zero.  nada.  Gregg Williams is a farse.

    Ill bet tom brady and the pats could drop more than 30 on the bengals if they felt it necessary

  • @tour2ma said:

    No D can do it alone...

    Well that’s just goofy.  Of course a D just can.  

    But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points?  

    none.  there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won.  zero.  nada.  Gregg Williams is a farse.

    @roach said:

    Well that’s just goofy.  Of course a D just can.  

    But how many teams would have won today that gave up 30 points?  

    none.  there is no team today that gave up 30 points and would have won.  zero.  nada.  Gregg Williams is a farse.

    Indeed. When we get a good defense, it will win games. 

    Because our offense can’t win a game

  • @clevfan4life said:

    U see that we're ranked well ahead of the rams in total defense right?

    Points allowed is all I look for.....  

    @d-bone said:

    Points allowed is all I look for.....  

    I look for   wins vs losses

    and we are the WORST IN NFL HISTORY in that department 

    For 2 years

    FIRE THEM ALL

  • @d-bone said:

    Points allowed is all I look for..... anything else is just Spin Doctoring. 

    Except that points allowed doesnt take into consideration alot of factors. Namely when ur playing with one of the worst offenses in the league it absolutely affects the defense. 

    @clevfan4life said:

    Except that points allowed doesnt take into consideration alot of factors. Namely when ur playing with one of the worst offenses in the league it absolutely affects the defense. 

    Dude, we can say that about anything:

     "Leads the league in yds allowed"...... They have a great offense that leads the league in TOP

    "Leads the league vs the run"..... They are 9-1, lead the NFL in points scored so the opponent never runs against them

    "Last in the league vs the pass".... See one line above ^ 

    on, and on, and on, and on, and...........

    Points scored vs points allowed is how every single game in the history of the sport has been won and lost - and always will be. 

  • How could you possibly watch this team and say the DEFENSE is what is killing us.  How about our complete inability to score in the redzone?

    No Collins, no Ogbah... of course they'll be able to run it when our 2 best run stuffers are out. If the offense could score TDs, we would've won by double digits...

  • How could you possibly watch this team and say the DEFENSE is what is killing us.  How about our complete inability to score in the redzone?

    No Collins, no Ogbah... of course they'll be able to run it when our 2 best run stuffers are out. If the offense could score TDs, we would've won by double digits...

    @thenew23 said:

    How could you possibly watch this team and say the DEFENSE is what is killing us.  How about our complete inability to score in the redzone?

    No Collins, no Ogbah... of course they'll be able to run it when our 2 best run stuffers are out. If the offense could score TDs, we would've won by double digits...

    Collins, not ogbah.....ogbah's been horrible against the run most of the season

  • How many of those points are given up in the 2nd half after they've been on the field way to long? Surely the lack of O time with the ball hurts. Either way to say this is the worst D we have had is laughable. 

  • And teams run in the 2nd half because they always are up. So that further wears a defense down not just during the fame but over the season

  • How many of those points are given up in the 2nd half after they've been on the field way to long? Surely the lack of O time with the ball hurts. Either way to say this is the worst D we have had is laughable. 

    @jcam222 said:

    How many of those points are given up in the 2nd half after they've been on the field way to long? Surely the lack of O time with the ball hurts. Either way to say this is the worst D we have had is laughable. 

    The D is certainly not the worst we've had in the v2.0 era that's for sure, but it's also not the juggernaut that some want to say it is either. 

  • @jcam222 said:

    How many of those points are given up in the 2nd half after they've been on the field way to long? Surely the lack of O time with the ball hurts. Either way to say this is the worst D we have had is laughable. 

    The D is certainly not the worst we've had in the v2.0 era that's for sure, but it's also not the juggernaut that some want to say it is either. 

    @d-bone said:

    , but it's also not the juggernaut that some want to say it is either. 

    Who called it a "juggernaut"?

  • And teams run in the 2nd half because they always are up. So that further wears a defense down not just during the fame but over the season

    @clevfan4life said:

    And teams run in the 2nd half because they always are up.

    Dude, admit it.  This defense stinks.

    There is NO team this week that had to score more than 30 points to win their football game.  NO team.  This D is awful and Greg Williams is a joke.  

  • @clevfan4life said:

    And teams run in the 2nd half because they always are up.

    Dude, admit it.  This defense stinks.

    There is NO team this week that had to score more than 30 points to win their football game.  NO team.  This D is awful and Greg Williams is a joke.  

    @roach said:

    Dude, admit it.  This defense stinks.

    There is NO team this week that had to score more than 30 points to win their football game.  NO team.  This D is awful and Greg Williams is a joke.  

    I was impressed how much better the Rams D got simply by changing coaches.  It sure does make a difference. Especially in a coaches league like the NFL.