The Browns could land a damaged Andrew Luck for the right price.
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@boo-fagley said:
Get this Knucklehead.
51 Super Bowls.
102 QBs
28 traded QBs have played in Super Bowls including walk ons. They account for 27.4% of all Super Bowls QBs.
74 QBs were drafted by the team that played in the Super Bowl. They account for 72.5 % of all Super Bowl QBs.
12 traded QBs have actually won a Super Bowl. That is 23.5% of winning Super Bowl QBs.
39 drafted QBs have won Super Bowls. That is 76.4% of winning Super Bowl QBs.
What does it all mean? That you are WRONG.
Moreover, I dont care about the good ole football days of Red Grange and Laurel and Hardy. The objective is to win a Super Bowl in todays NFL and not the dusty 4 horsemen offense era that you opine about.
If those stats are correct, props on your homework. The Colts probably aren't stupid enough to trade a guy they drafted who is an elite NFL QB. But at least make an offer.
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@boo-fagley said:
They are fact.
HOF website and Football reference were used to compile these indisputable facts although someone we know will spin, weasel and connive and give it his best shot.
SB WINNERS { FA QB in bold} Brady, Pmanning, Brady, Wilson, Flacco, Emnning, Rodgers, Brees, Ben, Emanning, Pmanning, Ben, Brady, Brady, Johnson, Brady, Dilfer, Warner, Elway, Elway, Farve, Aikman, Young, Aikman, Aikman, Rypien, Hostetler, Montana, Montana, Williams, Sims, Mcmahon, Montana, Plunkett, Theisman, Montana, Plunkett, Bradshaw, Bradshaw, Staubach, Staubach, Bradshaw, Bradshaw, Greise, Greise, Staubach, Untias, Dawson, Namath, Starr, Starr.
12 FA QBs or walk ons have won Super Bowls.
1 FA QB has won 2 Super Bowls in 51 years - Plunkett
10 DRAFTED QBs have won 2 or more Super Bowls. Brady x 5, E Manning x 2, Ben x 2, Elway x 2, Aikman, x 3, Montana x 4, Bradshaw x 4, Staubach x 3, Griese x 2, Starr x 2. 29 56% of the total 51 Super Bowls have been won by just 10 DRAFTED QBs.
NO FA QB has gone to successive Super Bowls in 51 years.
8 DRAFTED QBs have gone to back to back Super Bowls and Bradshaw did it twice.
Time for the Browns to land a Franchise QB that will take this team to at least 2 Super Bowls. You cannot win it if youre not even there.
Can't dispute your research. Developing a QB is ideal. This team hasn't shown an ability to do that. Get Luck and a QB guru and make this team a legit contender.
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Enough with the Luck pipe dream...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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@boo-fagley said:
Get this Knucklehead.
51 Super Bowls.
102 QBs
28 traded QBs have played in Super Bowls including walk ons. They account for 27.4% of all Super Bowls QBs.
74 QBs were drafted by the team that played in the Super Bowl. They account for 72.5 % of all Super Bowl QBs.
12 traded QBs have actually won a Super Bowl. That is 23.5% of winning Super Bowl QBs.
39 drafted QBs have won Super Bowls. That is 76.4% of winning Super Bowl QBs.
What does it all mean? That you are WRONG.
Moreover, I dont care about the good ole football days of Red Grange and Laurel and Hardy. The objective is to win a Super Bowl in todays NFL and not the dusty 4 horsemen offense era that you opine about.
Boo Fagley, that is very good research. I always felt it was best to draft and develop your QB, although I could see signing a free agent if you had a decent team minus the QB and thought you could win in a certain window of time. Seen more of those not work out than succeed, though.
I guess that makes it important to have an organization capable of drafting and developing that QB so you don’t ruin him before he has a chance to win for you.
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So very good QBs are not traded?
Shocking...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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This team is so bad, the #1 pick might demand to be traded. Knock on the Colts door and break bread. Give them any damn thing they want. The team trading for the superstar usually ends up on top in the end. Pounce while he's hurt.
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This team is so bad, the #1 pick might demand to be traded. Knock on the Colts door and break bread. Give them any damn thing they want. The team trading for the superstar usually ends up on top in the end. Pounce while he's hurt.
This team is so bad, the #1 pick might demand to be traded. Knock on the Colts door and break bread. Give them any damn thing they want. The team trading for the superstar usually ends up on top in the end. Pounce while he's hurt.
Ya, hurt with a very potential career ending labrum tear.
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It does not matter if he is healthy or not if he came to the Browns he would be on IR within four weeks because the Browns line is a pile So what is the point if you cannot protect him
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@boo-fagley said:
Get this Knucklehead.
51 Super Bowls.
102 QBs
28 traded QBs have played in Super Bowls including walk ons. They account for 27.4% of all Super Bowls QBs.
74 QBs were drafted by the team that played in the Super Bowl. They account for 72.5 % of all Super Bowl QBs.
12 traded QBs have actually won a Super Bowl. That is 23.5% of winning Super Bowl QBs.
39 drafted QBs have won Super Bowls. That is 76.4% of winning Super Bowl QBs.
What does it all mean? That you are WRONG.
Moreover, I dont care about the good ole football days of Red Grange and Laurel and Hardy. The objective is to win a Super Bowl in todays NFL and not the dusty 4 horsemen offense era that you opine about.
Actually....it means that I am right. That a significant portion of Super Bowl winning and Super Bowl starting QBs were not drafted by the team they went to the Super Bowl with.
And I don't know what you are talking about with "the good old days". My point was about Super Bowl QBs.
Also....I would wager that you are likely lying about your stats. I suspect that you did not include Elway and Eli in your figures as having been traded.
Which means, of course, that I have to do what you claim to be research all over again.
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@boo-fagley said:
They are fact.
HOF website and Football reference were used to compile these indisputable facts although someone we know will spin, weasel and connive and give it his best shot.
SB WINNERS { FA QB in bold} Brady, Pmanning, Brady, Wilson, Flacco, Emnning, Rodgers, Brees, Ben, Emanning, Pmanning, Ben, Brady, Brady, Johnson, Brady, Dilfer, Warner, Elway, Elway, Farve, Aikman, Young, Aikman, Aikman, Rypien, Hostetler, Montana, Montana, Williams, Sims, Mcmahon, Montana, Plunkett, Theisman, Montana, Plunkett, Bradshaw, Bradshaw, Staubach, Staubach, Bradshaw, Bradshaw, Greise, Greise, Staubach, Untias, Dawson, Namath, Starr, Starr.
12 FA QBs or walk ons have won Super Bowls.
1 FA QB has won 2 Super Bowls in 51 years - Plunkett
10 DRAFTED QBs have won 2 or more Super Bowls. Brady x 5, E Manning x 2, Ben x 2, Elway x 2, Aikman, x 3, Montana x 4, Bradshaw x 4, Staubach x 3, Griese x 2, Starr x 2. 29 56% of the total 51 Super Bowls have been won by just 10 DRAFTED QBs.
NO FA QB has gone to successive Super Bowls in 51 years.
8 DRAFTED QBs have gone to back to back Super Bowls and Bradshaw did it twice.
Time for the Browns to land a Franchise QB that will take this team to at least 2 Super Bowls. You cannot win it if youre not even there.
Yep. See what I mean.....your own documentation reveals you as either a liar or a nincompoop.
Eli was traded, Elway was traded. Favre was traded.
That is 5 additional Super Bowls won by QBs who were traded than you claim.
Making it 17 out of the 51. That is a full one third. In case you can't do the math...that is 33.3%.
Like I said....a significant portion of SB winning did not win with the team that drafted them.
Is it simple historical fact....or simple math that you have a problem with?
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@boo-fagley said:
They are fact.
HOF website and Football reference were used to compile these indisputable facts although someone we know will spin, weasel and connive and give it his best shot.
SB WINNERS { FA QB in bold} Brady, Pmanning, Brady, Wilson, Flacco, Emnning, Rodgers, Brees, Ben, Emanning, Pmanning, Ben, Brady, Brady, Johnson, Brady, Dilfer, Warner, Elway, Elway, Farve, Aikman, Young, Aikman, Aikman, Rypien, Hostetler, Montana, Montana, Williams, Sims, Mcmahon, Montana, Plunkett, Theisman, Montana, Plunkett, Bradshaw, Bradshaw, Staubach, Staubach, Bradshaw, Bradshaw, Greise, Greise, Staubach, Untias, Dawson, Namath, Starr, Starr.
12 FA QBs or walk ons have won Super Bowls.
1 FA QB has won 2 Super Bowls in 51 years - Plunkett
10 DRAFTED QBs have won 2 or more Super Bowls. Brady x 5, E Manning x 2, Ben x 2, Elway x 2, Aikman, x 3, Montana x 4, Bradshaw x 4, Staubach x 3, Griese x 2, Starr x 2. 29 56% of the total 51 Super Bowls have been won by just 10 DRAFTED QBs.
NO FA QB has gone to successive Super Bowls in 51 years.
8 DRAFTED QBs have gone to back to back Super Bowls and Bradshaw did it twice.
Time for the Browns to land a Franchise QB that will take this team to at least 2 Super Bowls. You cannot win it if youre not even there.
Can't dispute your research. Developing a QB is ideal. This team hasn't shown an ability to do that. Get Luck and a QB guru and make this team a legit contender.
Can't dispute your research. Developing a QB is ideal. This team hasn't shown an ability to do that. Get Luck and a QB guru and make this team a legit contender.
Except...of course, you can dispute....because there are glaring errors there.....errors or lies.
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This team is so bad, the #1 pick might demand to be traded. Knock on the Colts door and break bread. Give them any damn thing they want. The team trading for the superstar usually ends up on top in the end. Pounce while he's hurt.
Ya, hurt with a very potential career ending labrum tear.
Ya, hurt with a very potential career ending labrum tear.
That, plus a rotator cuff tear ended Tim Couch's career.
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Ya, hurt with a very potential career ending labrum tear.
That, plus a rotator cuff tear ended Tim Couch's career.
That, plus a rotator cuff tear ended Tim Couch's career.
I tore mine up in 1990. Labrum, rotor and cartlige. Had a good surgeon and pushed the rehab therapy. I did good but anything overhead or a throwing like motion always evokes that knife point of pain in my shoulder joint. Any Dr will tell you too, you never come back 100% from an injury like that.
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NO FA QB has gone to successive Super Bowls in 51 years.
So what? They have come close. Kurt Warner went in 1999 and again in 2001.
A number of QBs that were traded went to consecutive SBs....including Tarkenton, Theisman, Favre, Elway.
And remember....Free Agency has only been available to NFL players for about half the time the SB has been played. So that limits the field there.
Again....the simple point I have made through all this is: Sure, it is better to draft and develop your own Franchise QB. But it may not be the only way it can be done. History has shown this. (and yet, somehow you wish to argue with that undeniable fact).
And the further point is that the Browns should not preclude any avenue in obtaining a decent QB. God knows they cannot afford to do that.
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@boo-fagley said:
Farve was not highlighted.
13 QBs. You are still wrong.
E Manning refused to play for SD and Elway refused to play for Indy. To include them in rebuttal is weak. Should the Patriots get credit for Plunkett? Of course not, there was never ever a guarantee that he would even make to a Super Bowl.
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This is why people think that people from Massachussets can be stupid....even with all the educational institutions that are there.
Eli Manning was traded.
John Elway was traded.
You cannot change history.
Are you going to claim the South won the Civil War?
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@boo-fagley said:
I gave you Unitas and Warner so quit complaining.
Elway and E Manning demanded trades that were began on or before draft day.
You didn't "give" me anything. I simply stated plain, undeniable facts. And...oh yes...note YOUR highlighted word.
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