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  • C Clevfan4life

    Yup, eversen griffin still at the top. 

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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @clevfan4life said:

    Yup, eversen griffin still at the top. 

    Next week they get Bosa.

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    • C Clevfan4life

      O line aint half bad. We're finally starting to see competency built in the trenches on both sides of the ball. I just hope to dear god we dont have massive scheme changes next year

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      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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      @clevfan4life said:

      O line aint half bad.

      Accurate statement...

      Bito is back and were Joe beside him our left side would be "elite".

      Tretter has stabilized the Center position and has improved as the season has progressed... just as a player returning from injury should.

      Zeitler, playing at an average level, has been a disappointment.

      S. Coleman had a bad day Sunday. His footwork was way below the level he has shown he's capable of this season.

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        @clevfan4life said:

        O line aint half bad.

        Accurate statement...

        Bito is back and were Joe beside him our left side would be "elite".

        Tretter has stabilized the Center position and has improved as the season has progressed... just as a player returning from injury should.

        Zeitler, playing at an average level, has been a disappointment.

        S. Coleman had a bad day Sunday. His footwork was way below the level he has shown he's capable of this season.

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        C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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        @tour2ma said:

        Accurate statement...

        Bito is back and were Joe beside him our left side would be "elite".

        Tretter has stabilized the Center position and has improved as the season has progressed... just as a player returning from injury should.

        Zeitler, playing at an average level, has been a disappointment.

        S. Coleman had a bad day Sunday. His footwork was way below the level he has shown he's capable of this season.

        U if all people know how critical ive been of the o line, we've gone back and forth for years now about that. For me to say they aint half bad is literally getting the old man down the block who yells get off my lawn all the time to say something nice

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          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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          Oh.... I took it as a complement. Just fleshed out the argument some.

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          • Tour2maT Tour2ma

            Oh.... I took it as a complement. Just fleshed out the argument some.

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            C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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            @tour2ma said:

            Oh.... I took it as a complement. Just fleshed out the argument some.

            I know. Just saying if im acknowledging the o line, based on how brutal i was with them in years past......u cant call me no sunshine boy, not with the o line nope. I think a year or two ago i was so exassperated i wanted everything to joes right fired immediately and without notice. 

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              @babernakle said:

              The point is they do nothing well no part of the browns is elite. If they build an elite o-line then everyone benefits. Qb plays better the rbs run better and Clevelands aren't half bad plus as Dallas did last year they played keep away and limited the opposing offense to less drives making up for some defensive shortcomings.  Build an elite line and the qb will come.  If wentz played for the browns he would probably be hurt and not have great numbers. 

              You're really just wrong... most advanced stats have our Oline ranked higher than Philly (hard to compare olines without looking at some of these numbers). Our run blocking is top 10 and our pass protection is good, but gets knocked bc Kizer takes too many sacks. 

              Kizer has had PLENTY of time all year to deliver the football, but has not been able to. Check the INT numbers... might have a little more negative impact on our record than our above-average Oline...

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              @thenew23 said:

              You're really just wrong... most advanced stats have our Oline ranked higher than Philly (hard to compare olines without looking at some of these numbers). Our run blocking is top 10 and our pass protection is good, but gets knocked bc Kizer takes too many sacks. 

              Kizer has had PLENTY of time all year to deliver the football, but has not been able to. Check the INT numbers... might have a little more negative impact on our record than our above-average Oline...

              You can take the advanced statistics and the browns money ball front office and shove it the eye test says there not very good I see the commentators see it the talking heads see it and and coach that talks about the browns sees it there just not good. Now that doesn't mean they don't have a few good players but there blew average. 

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                tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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                Easy question - when the ball is snapped, and you count to 10... if the QB is sacked at 10, is it the Olines fault?

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                  @thenew23 said:

                  You're really just wrong... most advanced stats have our Oline ranked higher than Philly (hard to compare olines without looking at some of these numbers). Our run blocking is top 10 and our pass protection is good, but gets knocked bc Kizer takes too many sacks. 

                  Kizer has had PLENTY of time all year to deliver the football, but has not been able to. Check the INT numbers... might have a little more negative impact on our record than our above-average Oline...

                  You can take the advanced statistics and the browns money ball front office and shove it the eye test says there not very good I see the commentators see it the talking heads see it and and coach that talks about the browns sees it there just not good. Now that doesn't mean they don't have a few good players but there blew average. 

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                  thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by
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                  @babernakle said:

                  You can take the advanced statistics and the browns money ball front office and shove it the eye test says there not very good I see the commentators see it the talking heads see it and and coach that talks about the browns sees it there just not good. Now that doesn't mean they don't have a few good players but there blew average. 

                  Ahh... the miraculous "eye test". How could I have been so dumb...?

                  I get it, the Depodesta hire has invalidated all statistics in the eyes of many Browns fans... sad

                  #Justsayin'
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                    Easy question - when the ball is snapped, and you count to 10... if the QB is sacked at 10, is it the Olines fault?

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                    @tiamat63 said:

                    Easy question - when the ball is snapped, and you count to 10... if the QB is sacked at 10, is it the Olines fault?

                    I'd say no.

                    I don't think there is anything wrong with the o-line.  They've been fine and the majority of sacks have been either on Kizer holding the ball too long or Kessler looking like a high school kid back there.    That and Crow doesn't run very well unless it's a giant hole.

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                    • B Babernakle

                      Real simple fix the offensive line and the team will win.  I don't want the hear how much there paid or there playing good this year.  Fact is they suck.  So no running back no qbs no Dbs in the draft. Real simple in the draft and FA build a line. not a good line an elite line.  One that rivals the cowboys or philly.  Do that and they win with almost any qb.

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                      OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                      @babernakle said:

                      Real simple fix the offensive line and the team will win.

                      Nope.  We'll need a QB for that.

                      Our OL is missing a couple of pieces, sure (one got hurt)...but they're good enough where a good QB and a couple of receivers could make them look really good.

                      We don't scare anyone with the pass so our OL has to block a LOT of guys.

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