Apathy Setting In
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Speak for yourself Gip. I drove 30 miles from LaPlace to New Orleans to hang out with the Browns Backers there.
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Speak for yourself Gip. I drove 30 miles from LaPlace to New Orleans to hang out with the Browns Backers there.
Speak for yourself Gip. I drove 30 miles from LaPlace to New Orleans to hang out with the Browns Backers there.
I am, of course, speaking in generalities.
Proof is in the pudding. Lets wait and see what the attendance will look like in these cold December games.
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Its true. Apathy is setting in. Yesterday I could not get together with the guys to watch the game. I had other, more important things to do. Just making other things a matter of priority over watching the Browns is one particular sign of it. Then, when I came home I turned the game on briefly, saw the Browns getting hammered by like 2 TDs, then said "Fuyuck This Shizer", and turned the game off to do something else.
So, this Browns organization reaps what it sows.....a fan base that to a great extent may not even want to bother watching your games. This is on Jimmy, Sashi, Hue. This is their creation.
Why is it that somehow I get the feeling that these guys do not care at all about the fact that they are alienating their fan base. As long as the owner is getting his TV revenue....he perhaps does not care that he is losing money on ticket sales and concessions etc. The GM does not care about winning or losing...only about if he can continue his process....and try to supposedly "win" deals that he makes. The coach seems oblivious to losing. While he may superficially care....he is getting paid in two years of doing this more that what most of us will make in a lifetime.
THEY seem to have an apathetic attitude toward winning. Ergo...why should we, the fans, have anything but an apathetic attitude toward the team.?
And just out of curiosity....does anyone know what the local ratings are for the Browns? I suspect they have seriously deteriorated over the last couple of years. Deservedly so.
Its true. Apathy is setting in. Yesterday I could not get together with the guys to watch the game. I had other, more important things to do. Just making other things a matter of priority over watching the Browns is one particular sign of it. Then, when I came home I turned the game on briefly, saw the Browns getting hammered by like 2 TDs, then said "Fuyuck This Shizer", and turned the game off to do something else.
...And you're a DIE-HARD !
RIght?!
Regulars on Browns board(s) are the best, hardest to kill-off, fans there are.
After my grandboys were baptised Sunday, I went to my parent's house and trimmed hedges, bushes & shrubbery for a lot of the afternoon. (weeds & poison ivy(s) are dead - the BIG trim of the year)
- when I got home I listened to the 4th quarter on internet radio while putting up christmas lights outside -
BoardMembers are the staunchest fans....but apathy is making us line up better things to do. - I've been saying for a long time that apathy will and has been setting in among the fan base. It would HAVE to. It's a natural progression.
....I guess apathy would be another reason that you wouldn't want to strip down your roster to trash when initiating a 'rebuild'. In reality, we did not have to let pro bowlers and starters walk away and leave the team in a void of talent.....including, of course, QB.
- now I'll go read the whole thread...
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Here is the thing to remember................ football is funded by fans.........fanatics........................people, you, me, all of us, who continue to buy the sports product without any regard to common sense, or reasoning that applies to other purchases in our lives.
WSS hit the nail on the head and I think this is a wake-up reality check for anyone who thinks Browns fans are somehow special or different from other fans. The Steelers once couldn't draw jack, if they go 3 - 13 they again won't draw jack, just like the current Browns aren't drawing jack.
Haslam is no dummy, and none of the other owners are either. A winning team erases all the doom and gloom, it erases woes about how we no longer have a lifetime winning record...blah blah blah............... it even eliminates the opposing fans who say...YOU SUCK..............because once you are winning there is no insult in saying to us.........YOU SUCKED LAST YEAR............nobody cares about last year............do you? Of course nor.
If a team could destroy it's fan base by sucking, no financial interest with a lick of sense would buy an NFL franchise. However frustrated Haslam is, he still has the upper hand.............he knows that some wins will bring the party back to a full boil and all the pain will be forgotten. Can you imagine the Browns winning a SB? You think 1999 was a celebration?
Apathy? Yeah, sure, some of us are taken by it, but we remain here. Will some fans decide to call it quits? Sure, but a fan base has never been a static body. People have always come and gone. You win, you get new fans, you get some former fans back.
This team, and franchise suck as bad as the New Orleans Aint's......but really, do we ever hear fans and announcers talking about those days? Of course not, because they don't lose any more.
As horrible as the Browns experience has been....as Steve pointed out, a win streak and all is forgotten.
Haslam is no dummy,
...you sure of that? It seems the bulk of his company was in a rebate skimming scheme for years and he was clueless about it. At least he SAY'S he's that dumb.
He hijacks because he cares?
I think he makes a pertinent point to our apathy. He points out that the FO did not value the QB position properly. The QB position is the biggest reason the team sucks so bad...causing apathy.
I think the core of the problem is no one truly knows what the hell this FO is doing. They never explained this process, just talked about it vaguely.
I love this one.
They CANNOT possibly come out and tell us their process. Because obviously it was filled with flaws. - How can you say that you figured that the players on the team, prior to your taking over, were obviously crappy and that you could do better with a bunch of rookie draft picks and some undrafted free agents? - How can you say that you had to spend millions of dollars on fixing an offensive line that you helped to wreck your first year in charge? - How can you say, Well we knew that Wentz wasn't going to be a top 20 QB in this league so we left our QB position a shambles? - And the next year with Watson given to Houston?
How can they come out and say, "We thought we knew what we were doing but actually don't. But we've learned from our mistakes and we'll try not to make too many more"? - AND THEN phuck up trade for a QB at the trading deadline cos you waited 'til the last possible minute!
(Woody Allen couldn't write this regime's comedy/tragedy)
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Perhaps not.....you are apparently here just to be a Bitch and attempt to hijack a thread?
Wasn't attempting to hijack anything , Gip... Nor is it my intention... I'm just a tad pissed our FO came to he conclusion Wentz was not good enough for us to draft,, He has his team poised for a playoff run.. These assholes have us poised for Sheet.. Talk about Apathetic , now.....
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Speak for yourself Gip. I drove 30 miles from LaPlace to New Orleans to hang out with the Browns Backers there.
Speak for yourself Gip. I drove 30 miles from LaPlace to New Orleans to hang out with the Fudge Packers there.
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Not me T.............. I think he's playing Candy Land. 🥷
I have not seen any pawn turn into a queen, but I have seen a few kings crowned for the other side. Yep he's really playing checkers.
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Look, I think we should keep Sashi, but christ guys, quit acting like he's a damn genius.... He's just a lawyer. I swear, you can't question anything he does without a shitload of kickback from the sunshine pumpers.
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Speak for yourself Gip. I drove 30 miles from LaPlace to New Orleans to hang out with the Browns Backers there.
Speak for yourself Gip. I drove 30 miles from LaPlace to New Orleans to hang out with the Browns Backers there.
You're one of the few left War. 10 miles is about my limit to hang out with the guys, drink margaritas, and watch the Browns find another new and creative way to lose a game.
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I have to admit I suffer frI'm it to say me degree. I still watch all 4 quarters every game but have given several sets of my lower level tickets away. In crappy weather or just after traveling all week I can't bring myself to do the 4 hour round trip to the stadium. Leaving home around 930 and not getting home till 630 or so just isn't fun right now. Even when watching from home I don't host guests like I normally have in the past. Having said all of that , call me a homer but I am jacked to see Kizer to Gordon this Sunday. Think I might just host a little BBQ Sunday.
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Speak for yourself Gip. I drove 30 miles from LaPlace to New Orleans to hang out with the Browns Backers there.
Speak for yourself Gip. I drove 30 miles from LaPlace to New Orleans to hang out with the Browns Backers there.
I flew to houston and dropped $400 on that game.
can't justify doing it for the browns/chargers
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I'm betting your post Gip describes a high % of Browns fans..... myself included. I remarked in the Tavern yesterday that I was offered 3 free tickets to this week's Chargers / Browns game and I politely declined as I refuse to give the organization a single penny other than the percentage they get from my DTV NFL Package.
The last Browns gear I purchased was during the Butch era. I almost bought a hat during Pet's 7-3 run, but didn't want to jinx it..... Lord, could you imagine if I made this worse with a jinx?
But yea, apathy has set in for me and with the Rams being back and lighting it up, my apathy is fading away slowly and being replaced with "Who give's a schit....... and when are the Rams on?"
I'm betting your post Gip describes a high % of Browns fans..... myself included. I remarked in the Tavern yesterday that I was offered 3 free tickets to this week's Chargers / Browns game and I politely declined as I refuse to give the organization a single penny other than the percentage they get from my DTV NFL Package.
The last Browns gear I purchased was during the Butch era. I almost bought a hat during Pet's 7-3 run, but didn't want to jinx it..... Lord, could you imagine if I made this worse with a jinx?
But yea, apathy has set in for me and with the Rams being back and lighting it up, my apathy is fading away slowly and being replaced with "Who give's a schit....... and when are the Rams on?"
I was planning to go to charger game since it is only 9 Miles or so from my house and in my birthday weekend but not so much this year. Not too excited this year. ?
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Some folks have the same opinion about Trump. I believe in both cases they are off the mark.
You think Trump is playing chess? Lmao.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Suck It Up Buttercups..only 2 years in..most posted 3 to 4.Sure we need some key pieces. But, Were not quitin on this Sunday neither..(rigged in video.may need to refresh once.no.i don't know why
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One other aspect of the apathy is that I now just basically peruse or scan the topics on this board rather than trying to read almost every post.
One other aspect of the apathy is that I now just basically peruse or scan the topics on this board rather than trying to read almost every post.
Apathy setting in? Yeah like rigor mortis, the third stage of death, but.......
.......just think for a minute guys and gals "if" this team would think about or even leave you will NEVER see professional football in NE Ohio again except maybe in Canton once a year. Worse yet maybe an influx of new steelrz fans!
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DING! All of a sudden I'm energized again.....a bit. GO BROWNS!
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And most of the fans think he's down to the king and a few pawns, and is about to get checkmated.....
Yup... no denying that's what most folks think.
Thank, God I am not one of you.
Why is it that somehow I get the feeling that these guys do not care at all about the fact that they are alienating their fan base.
Because your feelings are not trustworthy?
No way is it a matter of not caring. It's accepted because they understand that what they are putting on the field is very hard to love. They know that only winning will bring back the fans... that only winning will bring back the love.
But they also believe, as a few of us here do, that they are on the right path... even though it is more painful journey than they anticipated. They are the ones starting to formulate our Big Board. They are the ones with one eye down the road. And they are dedicated to not just bringing back the love in the near term, but sustaining it for the long haul.
they also believe, as a few of us here do, that they are on the right path... even though it is more painful journey than they anticipated. They are the ones starting to formulate our Big Board. They are the ones with one eye down the road. And they are dedicated to not just bringing back the love in the near term, but sustaining it for the long haul.
A winning team has people who can step in and perform at ALL levels of the roster.. there's always a Collins blowing the MCL mid-season but the backups need to maintain.
We've never been able to do that since 1999 - until now.
Everyone on the OL would start for 95% of other teams. OK, maybe not Tretter.. which should show everyone that FA is less of a hit% than the draft, so there's never an option to "go buy all the FA and endless winz"
DL may not start for all teams but they would make the roster.. and remember Coley was UDFA who's starting over our draft picks who remain talented.
Yes, there's still holes - but you can't fix everything immediately....... that's an erroneous assertion.
Quoting Hue's browns w/l record is meaningless without context. Pop quiz: What was Bill Walsh's record his first 2 years at SF?
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Some folks have the same opinion about Trump. I believe in both cases they are off the mark.
You think Trump is playing chess? Lmao.
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they also believe, as a few of us here do, that they are on the right path... even though it is more painful journey than they anticipated. They are the ones starting to formulate our Big Board. They are the ones with one eye down the road. And they are dedicated to not just bringing back the love in the near term, but sustaining it for the long haul.
A winning team has people who can step in and perform at ALL levels of the roster.. there's always a Collins blowing the MCL mid-season but the backups need to maintain.
We've never been able to do that since 1999 - until now.
Everyone on the OL would start for 95% of other teams. OK, maybe not Tretter.. which should show everyone that FA is less of a hit% than the draft, so there's never an option to "go buy all the FA and endless winz"
DL may not start for all teams but they would make the roster.. and remember Coley was UDFA who's starting over our draft picks who remain talented.
Yes, there's still holes - but you can't fix everything immediately....... that's an erroneous assertion.
Quoting Hue's browns w/l record is meaningless without context. Pop quiz: What was Bill Walsh's record his first 2 years at SF?
Quoting Hue's browns w/l record is meaningless without context. Pop quiz: What was Bill Walsh's record his first 2 years at SF?
2-14 (Hue would swallow a nugget of hobo Sheet to have two wins at the end of the season) then 6-10 (Hue will never win that many games as a Browns coach).
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they also believe, as a few of us here do, that they are on the right path... even though it is more painful journey than they anticipated. They are the ones starting to formulate our Big Board. They are the ones with one eye down the road. And they are dedicated to not just bringing back the love in the near term, but sustaining it for the long haul.
A winning team has people who can step in and perform at ALL levels of the roster.. there's always a Collins blowing the MCL mid-season but the backups need to maintain.
We've never been able to do that since 1999 - until now.
Everyone on the OL would start for 95% of other teams. OK, maybe not Tretter.. which should show everyone that FA is less of a hit% than the draft, so there's never an option to "go buy all the FA and endless winz"
DL may not start for all teams but they would make the roster.. and remember Coley was UDFA who's starting over our draft picks who remain talented.
Yes, there's still holes - but you can't fix everything immediately....... that's an erroneous assertion.
Quoting Hue's browns w/l record is meaningless without context. Pop quiz: What was Bill Walsh's record his first 2 years at SF?
A winning team has people who can step in and perform at ALL levels of the roster.. there's always a Collins blowing the MCL mid-season but the backups need to maintain.
We've never been able to do that since 1999 - until now.
Everyone on the OL would start for 95% of other teams. OK, maybe not Tretter.. which should show everyone that FA is less of a hit% than the draft, so there's never an option to "go buy all the FA and endless winz"
DL may not start for all teams but they would make the roster.. and remember Coley was UDFA who's starting over our draft picks who remain talented.
Yes, there's still holes - but you can't fix everything immediately....... that's an erroneous assertion.
Quoting Hue's browns w/l record is meaningless without context. Pop quiz: What was Bill Walsh's record his first 2 years at SF?
Definitely bro, lets compare Hue Jackson to Bill Walsh, better yet, lets compare him to Vince Lombardi and Paul Brown. Did Paul Brown hug Otto Graham or Vince Lombardi hug Bart Starr as hard as Hue hugged McCarron? Hue must be a damn genius..... And Sashi must be a damn genius.... and Depo is a genius too.... It doesn't matter that we don't know what they're doing or what their plans are, because battered women like you believe in them when their record says they've won 1 game in two years.
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Its true. Apathy is setting in. Yesterday I could not get together with the guys to watch the game. I had other, more important things to do. Just making other things a matter of priority over watching the Browns is one particular sign of it. Then, when I came home I turned the game on briefly, saw the Browns getting hammered by like 2 TDs, then said "Fuyuck This Shizer", and turned the game off to do something else.
So, this Browns organization reaps what it sows.....a fan base that to a great extent may not even want to bother watching your games. This is on Jimmy, Sashi, Hue. This is their creation.
Why is it that somehow I get the feeling that these guys do not care at all about the fact that they are alienating their fan base. As long as the owner is getting his TV revenue....he perhaps does not care that he is losing money on ticket sales and concessions etc. The GM does not care about winning or losing...only about if he can continue his process....and try to supposedly "win" deals that he makes. The coach seems oblivious to losing. While he may superficially care....he is getting paid in two years of doing this more that what most of us will make in a lifetime.
THEY seem to have an apathetic attitude toward winning. Ergo...why should we, the fans, have anything but an apathetic attitude toward the team.?
And just out of curiosity....does anyone know what the local ratings are for the Browns? I suspect they have seriously deteriorated over the last couple of years. Deservedly so.
I think the core of the problem is no one truly knows what the hell this FO is doing. They never explained this process, just talked about it vaguely. Like oh, we'll be good in 2018 and really good in 2019. Sashi's flaw to his core is his overconfidence. He gives off this vibe that he always thinks he's the one who's right no matter what. Sashi, Hue, and even Jimmy don't seem to care that we've won one game in two seasons. They've also done nothing for arguably one of the best fan bases in the world. Sashi and Depo think they're smarter than all of the other NFL Execs by doing things such as trading down and selecting Corey Coleman, Trading down and selecting Peppers and Njoku, and gathering pick after pick. Well, times almost up. Everyone said we were supposed to be competitive next year, but if we bring in a rookie QB, even at #1, how is it possible we even win six games? Us fans, will have to go through the worst record in a 3 year span in football history, and why? Because a few Harvard guys have some secret plan they don't want to talk about that consists of our owner spending one of the bottom tier amounts of money on his salary cap for multiple years.
And for those of you who defend to the core the slightest criticism or analysis of what this current browns organization has done, how are you so sure we'll make such a splash in free agency next year? How are you sure Jimmy, who spends the least on his team for the past few years will drop big money to bring in playmakers? And how are we sure those FA playmakers will want to come here, and that the youngsters we have aren't counting down the days till their rookie contracts are up so they can actually play for a team that wins. None of you are sure, and all of you are guessing about the plan.
Depo and Sashi have changed the Browns from a low-tier NFL team into an NFL farm team full of youngsters to train them to someday be competitive in the NFL. When the Philadelphia 76ers had the high picks, they took Ben Simmons and Joel Embid. They didn't trade down and pick a bunch of mid tier players. The problem I think is that Sashi and Depo were afraid to take a QB high, because if they did and he failed, they'd be fired. That's why we didn't get Watson or Wentz. I'll admit I wasn't excited when I learned a lawyer would be leading this front office, but I was optimistic. At our current record, defending everything they do to a T is insanity.
My dad, lifelong Browns fan no longer turns them on during Sundays. I for one, am not going to put up with 1 win in two years, or 2 or 3 wins next year. Even F#$%ing Tim Tebow said it. "If you pick in the top tier year and year and trade down, you'll never create a winning team").
Sashi and Depo aren't the smartest guys in the world. What have they proven in football? Blind faith is silly, and Sashi should be demoted immediately and someone with football brains instead of a law degree should pick the damn talent.
The worst record in 3 year history, and a chance at winning 3-6 games next year, and (maybe .500) in 2019 and some of you are still viciously defending it.
It's like some of you are battered women, and you keep coming back to that Ex who cheated on you and was a b@$%^, it's just that Ex is named Jimmy Haslam.
I think the core of the problem is no one truly knows what the hell this FO is doing. They never explained this process, just talked about it vaguely. Like oh, we'll be good in 2018 and really good in 2019. Sashi's flaw to his core is his overconfidence. He gives off this vibe that he always thinks he's the one who's right no matter what. Sashi, Hue, and even Jimmy don't seem to care that we've won one game in two seasons. They've also done nothing for arguably one of the best fan bases in the world. Sashi and Depo think they're smarter than all of the other NFL Execs by doing things such as trading down and selecting Corey Coleman, Trading down and selecting Peppers and Njoku, and gathering pick after pick. Well, times almost up. Everyone said we were supposed to be competitive next year, but if we bring in a rookie QB, even at #1, how is it possible we even win six games? Us fans, will have to go through the worst record in a 3 year span in football history, and why? Because a few Harvard guys have some secret plan they don't want to talk about that consists of our owner spending one of the bottom tier amounts of money on his salary cap for multiple years.
And for those of you who defend to the core the slightest criticism or analysis of what this current browns organization has done, how are you so sure we'll make such a splash in free agency next year? How are you sure Jimmy, who spends the least on his team for the past few years will drop big money to bring in playmakers? And how are we sure those FA playmakers will want to come here, and that the youngsters we have aren't counting down the days till their rookie contracts are up so they can actually play for a team that wins. None of you are sure, and all of you are guessing about the plan.
Depo and Sashi have changed the Browns from a low-tier NFL team into an NFL farm team full of youngsters to train them to someday be competitive in the NFL. When the Philadelphia 76ers had the high picks, they took Ben Simmons and Joel Embid. They didn't trade down and pick a bunch of mid tier players. The problem I think is that Sashi and Depo were afraid to take a QB high, because if they did and he failed, they'd be fired. That's why we didn't get Watson or Wentz. I'll admit I wasn't excited when I learned a lawyer would be leading this front office, but I was optimistic. At our current record, defending everything they do to a T is insanity.
My dad, lifelong Browns fan no longer turns them on during Sundays. I for one, am not going to put up with 1 win in two years, or 2 or 3 wins next year. Even F#$%ing Tim Tebow said it. "If you pick in the top tier year and year and trade down, you'll never create a winning team").
Sashi and Depo aren't the smartest guys in the world. What have they proven in football? Blind faith is silly, and Sashi should be demoted immediately and someone with football brains instead of a law degree should pick the damn talent.
The worst record in 3 year history, and a chance at winning 3-6 games next year, and (maybe .500) in 2019 and some of you are still viciously defending it.
It's like some of you are battered women, and you keep coming back to that Ex who cheated on you and was a b@$%^, it's just that Ex is named Jimmy Haslam.
This is all speculation, including thinking Sashi & Depo believing they're "smarter" than anybody else. You're just searching for an explanation for what you perceive is a FO that hasnt done ANYTHING positive for this team & their future.
I'll never defend EVERYTHING they've done, but I also see positives that others seem to ignore. E.g, drafting Garrett (BPA) #1; recognizing winning STARTS in the trenches and building solid lines; developing our young talent.
I will say this... we've been very poor addressing the QB situation, and Hue has proven he is not as good as was advertised. Also, we cant expect another class of rookies to significantly improve our W-L record w/o adding SOME vet leadership on the field and in the locker room.
With regard to apathy... I've been there for 4-5 years which is why I'd rather stick to some sort of continuity bc it is hard to get myself engaged as a fan when every 2 years is a new " rebuild" that I know will not turn this team around any faster than if we just stay the course, at least in the FO.
I guess I also EXPECTED us to suck pretty bad for these first 2 years...
#Justsayin'
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