Houston - our 2nd first round pick
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Texans' upcoming schelude:
at Ravens
at Titans
vs 49ers
at Jaguars
vs Steelers
at Colts
Let's say they win vs 49ers and against the Colts. It would put them 6-10.
With the same record, last year Carolina picked at #8, 2 years ago Chicago at #11, 3 years ago Atlanta in #8...
So it will be a close call.
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Texans' upcoming schelude:
at Ravens
at Titans
vs 49ers
at Jaguars
vs Steelers
at Colts
Let's say they win vs 49ers and against the Colts. It would put them 6-10.
With the same record, last year Carolina picked at #8, 2 years ago Chicago at #11, 3 years ago Atlanta in #8...
So it will be a close call.
Texans' upcoming schelude:
at Ravens
at Titans
vs 49ers
at Jaguars
vs Steelers
at Colts
Let's say they win vs 49ers and against the Colts. It would put them 6-10.
With the same record, last year Carolina picked at #8, 2 years ago Chicago at #11, 3 years ago Atlanta in #8...
So it will be a close call.
I can see them beating at least 3 and maybe 4 of those teams.
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Texans' upcoming schelude:
at Ravens
at Titans
vs 49ers
at Jaguars
vs Steelers
at Colts
Let's say they win vs 49ers and against the Colts. It would put them 6-10.
With the same record, last year Carolina picked at #8, 2 years ago Chicago at #11, 3 years ago Atlanta in #8...
So it will be a close call.
Texans' upcoming schelude:
at Ravens
at Titans
vs 49ers
at Jaguars
vs Steelers
at Colts
Let's say they win vs 49ers and against the Colts. It would put them 6-10.
With the same record, last year Carolina picked at #8, 2 years ago Chicago at #11, 3 years ago Atlanta in #8...
So it will be a close call.
And so what if that pick is #11 vs. #10....or #8...is that going to make our FO any more competent at choosing that player?
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Texans' upcoming schelude:
at Ravens
at Titans
vs 49ers
at Jaguars
vs Steelers
at Colts
Let's say they win vs 49ers and against the Colts. It would put them 6-10.
With the same record, last year Carolina picked at #8, 2 years ago Chicago at #11, 3 years ago Atlanta in #8...
So it will be a close call.
I can see them beating at least 3 and maybe 4 of those teams.
I can see them beating at least 3 and maybe 4 of those teams.
2... maybe 3, here...
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Texans' upcoming schelude:
at Ravens
at Titans
vs 49ers
at Jaguars
vs Steelers
at Colts
Let's say they win vs 49ers and against the Colts. It would put them 6-10.
With the same record, last year Carolina picked at #8, 2 years ago Chicago at #11, 3 years ago Atlanta in #8...
So it will be a close call.
And so what if that pick is #11 vs. #10....or #8...is that going to make our FO any more competent at choosing that player?
And so what if that pick is #11 vs. #10....or #8...is that going to make our FO any more competent at choosing that player?
Bingo
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Wherever we get Houston's pick we will be trading out of it......it's Sashi FFS
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Texans' upcoming schelude:
at Ravens
at Titans
vs 49ers
at Jaguars
vs Steelers
at Colts
Let's say they win vs 49ers and against the Colts. It would put them 6-10.
With the same record, last year Carolina picked at #8, 2 years ago Chicago at #11, 3 years ago Atlanta in #8...
So it will be a close call.
And so what if that pick is #11 vs. #10....or #8...is that going to make our FO any more competent at choosing that player?
And so what if that pick is #11 vs. #10....or #8...is that going to make our FO any more competent at choosing that player?
Obviously not since the two things are completely unrelated.
Wherever we get Houston's pick we will be trading out of it......it's Sashi FFS
Quite possible... We'll have our QB... someone else will be squirming about getting theirs.
Sounds like a great set up to me... even did it in my first FP-Mock when I traded down farther than I thought I would for less than I thought it'd take.
It really depends upon how highly you value who is still on your board doesn't it? But I was really close to taking a legacy kid, Orlando Brown.
Orlando Brown Jr. - Wikipedia
Orlando Brown Jr. is a College American football Offensive linemen for the Oklahoma Sooners. Brown is the son of former NFL Offensive tackle Orlando Brown.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Great... another order of hindsight in a soft taco...
i swear to the gods of several religions that I'm tired of defending the notion on this forum that actual rebuilds take time even if every move is perfect.. the goal is to build an annual repeat contender, not a one-trick one-season lucky pony.
Even Seattle hasn't won since they bet the farm on a one year gamble -- a particular interception wouldn't have occurred if Seattle continued to have the league's most expensive OL, like they did the one year they won the trophy. And they've made the playoffs thanks to defense. Offense decent, defense great, and this year's D injuries are the end.
Cleveland is aiming higher than that, and that's a good thing.. it doesn't hurt that Seattle's second-round QB is franchise-worthy.
Rosen at the 1, CB1 or WR1 with the Houston pick and/or the trade-down pick later in the first.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
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What was Seattle's one year gamble?
Imma go with the NOLA trade for Graham...
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What was Seattle's one year gamble?
It would have been a two year gamble if freeking Pete Carroll had just given the ball to Lynch instead of trying to get cute.
Still THE dumbest play call in the history of American sports likely.
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Great... another order of hindsight in a soft taco...
i swear to the gods of several religions that I'm tired of defending the notion on this forum that actual rebuilds take time even if every move is perfect.. the goal is to build an annual repeat contender, not a one-trick one-season lucky pony.
Even Seattle hasn't won since they bet the farm on a one year gamble -- a particular interception wouldn't have occurred if Seattle continued to have the league's most expensive OL, like they did the one year they won the trophy. And they've made the playoffs thanks to defense. Offense decent, defense great, and this year's D injuries are the end.
Cleveland is aiming higher than that, and that's a good thing.. it doesn't hurt that Seattle's second-round QB is franchise-worthy.
Rosen at the 1, CB1 or WR1 with the Houston pick and/or the trade-down pick later in the first.
Cleveland is aiming higher than that, and that's a good thing..
It's only a good thing if they have good aim...and aim at the right target(s). We've seen that this Harvard Think Tank has not done a good job of evaluating collegiate QB talent. They've given the Eagles and Texans THEIR franchise QB's while drafting Kessler in round 3 (where many figured him for the 5th round) and Kizer in round 2. Now school is still out on Kizer. He's got 5 more games to show if he's improving...and with Coleman back (TD dropper) and maybe Josh Gordon (he's been on the street for a loong time) Kizer may have a fighting chance through the air.
This FO really could use Kizer to wind up being good.....because they, the FO, don't look so good sitting with 1 win in 2 seasons.
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I dont hate kizer, but i dont think he's gonna cut it. He's a multi year project. He maybe needed 2 more years at ND THEN conevout and sit on the bench for a year. We cant wait for that. If we had a solid, dependable qb on staff right now that kizer could sit behind for a couple years....ok maybe. We dont. We need to bring in a vet for 1 year contract while rosen or one of the others sits behind him.
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And so what if that pick is #11 vs. #10....or #8...is that going to make our FO any more competent at choosing that player?
Obviously not since the two things are completely unrelated.
Wherever we get Houston's pick we will be trading out of it......it's Sashi FFS
Quite possible... We'll have our QB... someone else will be squirming about getting theirs.
Sounds like a great set up to me... even did it in my first FP-Mock when I traded down farther than I thought I would for less than I thought it'd take.
It really depends upon how highly you value who is still on your board doesn't it? But I was really close to taking a legacy kid, Orlando Brown.
Orlando Brown Jr. - Wikipedia
Orlando Brown Jr. is a College American football Offensive linemen for the Oklahoma Sooners. Brown is the son of former NFL Offensive tackle Orlando Brown.
Obviously not since the two things are completely unrelated.
Quite possible... We'll have our QB... someone else will be squirming about getting theirs.
Sounds like a great set up to me... even did it in my first FP-Mock when I traded down farther than I thought I would for less than I thought it'd take.
It really depends upon how highly you value who is still on your board doesn't it? But I was really close to taking a legacy kid, Orlando Brown.
Orlando Brown Jr. - Wikipedia
Orlando Brown Jr. is a College American football Offensive linemen for the Oklahoma Sooners. Brown is the son of former NFL Offensive tackle Orlando Brown.
Well, I had to take a look back at the other kiddo we missed on- Clay Matthews. Actually we did ok in the first round, trading with the Jets so they could take Sanchez. Then we eventually took Alex Mack. Where we really screwed up was in the second round (three strikes and you're out) taking Brian Slobiski, Mohammed Massivedrop, and David Racoon (Veikune).
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texans-offseason-trades-currently-mean-giving-away-two-top-40-picks-in-2018-nfl-draft/ Send Deshawn Watson a Xmas Card yet S. Brown? we May have caught a lucky break here.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texans-offseason-trades-currently-mean-giving-away-two-top-40-picks-in-2018-nfl-draft/ Send Deshawn Watson a Xmas Card yet S. Brown? we May have caught a lucky break here.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texans-offseason-trades-currently-mean-giving-away-two-top-40-picks-in-2018-nfl-draft/ Send Deshawn Watson a Xmas Card yet S. Brown? we May have caught a lucky break here.
The same people that cry about passing on Watson are the ones that complain about Coleman suffering two long injuries in his first two years.
You never know how well you draft has been until you've seen your draftees some years. If Watson keeps having injuries I guess nobody will complain we passed on him.
Wentz is another story, because we at least have seen him through 2 seasons and he has shown he's a hell of a player.
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Is there a stat out there showing how draft picks are rated at the time of the draft verses a rating after playing in the nfl? I am sure it Will show later draft picks being more valuable in the nfl.
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Is there a stat out there showing how draft picks are rated at the time of the draft verses a rating after playing in the nfl? I am sure it Will show later draft picks being more valuable in the nfl.
Is there a stat out there showing how draft picks are rated at the time of the draft verses a rating after playing in the nfl? I am sure it Will show later draft picks being more valuable in the nfl.
There have been "Success Percentage" charts posted here before. They have shown the "hit % falls" with every passing round.
Don't remember this google hit before, but it's consistent with what I remember seeing: https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2015/05/22/tracking-nfl-draft-efficiency-how-contingent-is-success-to-draft-position/#28c6535a7495
Initial focus is on 2014 NFL "Starters"...
Round Freq. Percent Cuml 1 178 29.9 29.9 2 104 17.5 47.4 3 75 12.6 60.0 4 64 10.8 70.8 5 38 6.4 77.2 6 29 4.9 82.0 7 25 4.2 86.2 Undrafted 81 13.6 99.8 Supplemental 1 0.2 100.0 Total 595 100 Then the article moves onto staying power...
Percentage of Total Games Started (Since 2010...80 games max) Groups Median Overall 15.0% 1st 67.5% 2nd 33.8% 3rd 36.3% 4th 6.3% 5th 4.4% 6th 1.9% 7th 0.0% Next up... performance level as determined by "All-Pro" designation...
Round Freq. Percent Cuml. 1 83 48.5 48.5 2 24 14.0 62.6 3 15 8.8 71.4 4 12 7.0 78.4 5 9 5.3 83.6 6 6 3.5 87.1 7 2 1.2 88.3 Undrafted 18 10.5 98.8 Supplemental 2 1.2 100.0 Total 171 100 What the article stops short of is the impact of position drafted as a factor on any of the measures analyzed.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texans-offseason-trades-currently-mean-giving-away-two-top-40-picks-in-2018-nfl-draft/ Send Deshawn Watson a Xmas Card yet S. Brown? we May have caught a lucky break here.
The same people that cry about passing on Watson are the ones that complain about Coleman suffering two long injuries in his first two years.
You never know how well you draft has been until you've seen your draftees some years. If Watson keeps having injuries I guess nobody will complain we passed on him.
Wentz is another story, because we at least have seen him through 2 seasons and he has shown he's a hell of a player.
The same people that cry about passing on Watson are the ones that complain about Coleman suffering two long injuries in his first two years.
You never know how well you draft has been until you've seen your draftees some years. If Watson keeps having injuries I guess nobody will complain we passed on him.
Wentz is another story, because we at least have seen him through 2 seasons and he has shown he's a hell of a player.
Agree on Watson... The parallels with Teddy B's "non-contact" knee injury in practice are there. I did not remember that Deshaun had a history of injuries at Clemson where in 2014 he suffered:
Nov 20, 2014 Non-NFL Knee ACL Tear Grade 3 Suffered torn ACL in practice. Watson played with the injury vs. South Carolina on 11/29/14. Nov 15, 2014 Non-NFL Knee ICL Strain Grade 2 Oct 11, 2014 Non-NFL Hand Finger Fracture Apr 7, 2014 Non-NFL Shoulder Clavical Fracture Suffered a "slight crack" in his collarbone. The above is from an interesting site I just stumbled across: http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/
The heart of Watson's page is:
Deshaun Watson Player Overview
Watson's bad injury luck surfaced in 2014 with a torn ACL, a broken collarbone, a sprained knee and a fractured finger. He's not the thickest QB at 6'2, 221 pounds, but his recent string of good health is encouraging. He'll battle veteran Tom Savage for the starting job this summer.
Preseason
Chance of Injury in 2017: 
66.7% Chance of Injury per Game:
6.6% Projected Games missed for 2017:
3.5 Makes me wonder if he was a medical DQ in some FOs.... including ours.
No such case to be made for Wentz... but his "Durability Rating" is only 2 out of 5(?) http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/carson-wentz/7450
And Kizer? Interestingly his durability rating is the highest available, 5/5. http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/deshone-kizer/7745
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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