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Was that the cleveland eagles?
In hindsight.....I wish we had the guy they had. Despite Carl Hogan stalker(PoG) telling us the Eagles suck.
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Was that the cleveland eagles?
In hindsight.....I wish we had the guy they had. Despite Carl Hogan stalker(PoG) telling us the Eagles suck.
In hindsight.....I wish we had the guy they had. Despite Carl Hogan stalker(PoG) telling us the Eagles suck.
But since he wouldnt have come to the cleveland eagles but the cleveland BROWNS......he would either be 2nd or 3rd on the drpth charge or not on the team at all. Srsly he would have gone on ir last year
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Leave the FO alone? The guys that "most likely" were the culprits for getting rid of mccown? Get right the fuk out mark. I almost guarantee hue told them kizer will need dev time, so the FO gave him brick osweiler as the stop gap cause they didnt want to pay an aging vet like mccown.
If im wrong about that, and it was hues call to ditch mccown knowing he has a raw qb who's own college coach publically said needs anither year in college........yeah fire hue.
ive stated multiple times all parties involved in ditching a vet qb who publically stated he'd like nothing more than to mentor a young qb, those people needed to be scrubbed out like that mineral deposit that builds at the bottom of ur shytter. We'll never know now what could have been had kizer backed up mccown this year.
Leave the FO alone? The guys that "most likely" were the culprits for getting rid of mccown? Get right the fuk out mark. I almost guarantee hue told them kizer will need dev time, so the FO gave him brick osweiler as the stop gap cause they didnt want to pay an aging vet like mccown.
If im wrong about that, and it was hues call to ditch mccown knowing he has a raw qb who's own college coach publically said needs anither year in college........yeah fire hue.
ive stated multiple times all parties involved in ditching a vet qb who publically stated he'd like nothing more than to mentor a young qb, those people needed to be scrubbed out like that mineral deposit that builds at the bottom of ur shytter. We'll never know now what could have been had kizer backed up mccown this year.
I feel confident in saying that the Browns organization has made one mistake after another over the last two seasons concerning the QB position. It's almost impressive in a sadistic way.
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This defense goes on and off way too many times.
This sunday played a terrible game, but I also think it is because it lacks depth. We can't be decent if someone is injured. Ogbah, Collins and Meder missed this game.
I think we will find out just how valuable Ogbah has been for this defense. When a young defense that lacks depth loses the NFLs best DE against the run it’s gonna hurt.
I think we will find out just how valuable Ogbah has been for this defense. When a young defense that lacks depth loses the NFLs best DE against the run it’s gonna hurt.
He's one of the nfl's best run stoppers?
1) i know this is bs without even looking it up
2) i did anyway, and pff ranks him as 70-72. Thats avg and quite frankly i was surprised he even got that
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The problem with the QB position is that McCown wanted to play, so he left for the Jets and we had Osweiler as a 'veteran'. I know Oswiler sucks, but we have paid him A LOT and we were in a position to ask him to be a veteran QB, not a starter for the whole season. It's one thing to play behind Texans' Oline and be a contender and another thing starting for the Browns a few games, isn't it? Heck, our line is better than last year Texans'. Kessler was good last year, so maybe he's starting the season.
We enter in the training camp with 4 QBs: Kessler as 1st string, 2nd Osweiler, and I'd say that Kizer was 3rd in front of Hogan.
Kessler sucks SO BAD that ends as 3rd String, and Osweiler doesn't look any good either. Then, we have a problem, because the FA is long gone, and unless you want to get Kaepernick or unretire Cutler (idk if the Dolphins already signed him in preseason, when did Tannehill get injured?) there are few attractive QB free agents. The teams have already they rosters so trades even for backups (I'm thinking of Moore or Keenum, AJ I believe became an option when the Bengals saw that the Browns were not a threat this year) are difficult to get without overpaying a lot.
Our plan A, who was Kessler, knew the system and looked good enough last year, stepped down in his game. The few times he has played this year have proved it - he has been horrendous.
Our plan B, "thanks for the second round" Osweiler is not worth a damn.
Plan C, Kizer looks very good in the preseason (and I know that preseason games don't count, but at some point they are the only way to evaluate your QBs).
I strongly believe that it's Hue who decides to go for the trio we have now. He is a QB guru, remember? He'll take back Kessler's level, and teach Kizer how to be a great QB. I bet that he was offered some solutions in August before the season began, but the options were by the time so poor that he preferred to get rid of Osweiler, who proved to be way worse than expected and use the QBs he already knew (Kessler and Hogan) and Kizer.
To sum up, I think all the plan went down the toilet because Kessler has regressed a lot and Osweiler is not worth even starting him a few games. By the time they realized this, it was too late.
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Remember when all of us went, ossweiler? Really?
most of us kind of predicted it. I didnt think he'd be "that" bad. And even back in denver they're like well lets see if that ghoolie guy from clev is right ahh fuk he's not lynch sux too. But that ossweiler trade was pure analytics FO masturbatory circle jerking. Aww we really got over on those bronco fgts!!. Sigh
the FO whiffed badly on ossweiler and whiffed badly on mccowns value. I cant think of a single person here that was ecpressing boundless optimism at the thought of ossweiler starting the season with a fresh noobinz in kizer behind him or some soon to be journeymen noodle arm game manager. Almost everyone saw this coming to some extent.
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... from what I can see, the team isn't any better this year than last year. Some parts are better...other parts are worse and some just weren't very good to begin with in either season. The "trust the process" only works when there's improvement. So far that process has the team right back at 0-11 just like last season.
Again with the ultra-macro W/L... *sighs* ... With that as a yardstick I'm not sure what your basis is for "some parts better/worse". Here's my games within the game take...
- QB is worse. WR has been worse... stay tuned. RB same. TE same-ish. OL? Better... much better.
- DL is better. LB is better. CBs are better. Safeties? Again, same-ish.
- STs? Same to a little better by virtue of kick off touchbacks.
The determining issue has been QB play.... with a non-trivial assist from the WR corps.
You mean the years right after they won a SB? Right? Nuff said
lol... so you've shifted from a one-year turnaround to a fan-sustaining 12-yo achievement? And it only took a couple days to come up with the latter.
I'm pretty sure the rostered players in common to the SB team and this years edition can be counted on one hand... with at least a "fill-in-the-blank" finger left over.
Nice try...
Again with the ultra-macro W/L... *sighs* ... With that as a yardstick I'm not sure what your basis is for "some parts better/worse". Here's my games within the game take...
- QB is worse. WR has been worse... stay tuned. RB same. TE same-ish. OL? Better... much better.
- DL is better. LB is better. CBs are better. Safeties? Again, same-ish.
- STs? Same to a little better by virtue of kick off touchbacks.
The determining issue has been QB play.... with a non-trivial assist from the WR corps.
lol... so you've shifted from a one-year turnaround to a fan-sustaining 12-yo achievement? And it only took a couple days to come up with the latter.
I'm pretty sure the rostered players in common to the SB team and this years edition can be counted on one hand... with at least a "fill-in-the-blank" finger left over.
Nice try...
They turned it around in less than half a century. Can you say that about the browns? We're about the one fifth century point now.
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Remember when all of us went, ossweiler? Really?
most of us kind of predicted it. I didnt think he'd be "that" bad. And even back in denver they're like well lets see if that ghoolie guy from clev is right ahh fuk he's not lynch sux too. But that ossweiler trade was pure analytics FO masturbatory circle jerking. Aww we really got over on those bronco fgts!!. Sigh
the FO whiffed badly on ossweiler and whiffed badly on mccowns value. I cant think of a single person here that was ecpressing boundless optimism at the thought of ossweiler starting the season with a fresh noobinz in kizer behind him or some soon to be journeymen noodle arm game manager. Almost everyone saw this coming to some extent.
Remember when all of us went, ossweiler? Really?
most of us kind of predicted it. I didnt think he'd be "that" bad. And even back in denver they're like well lets see if that ghoolie guy from clev is right ahh fuk he's not lynch sux too. But that ossweiler trade was pure analytics FO masturbatory circle jerking. Aww we really got over on those bronco fgts!!. Sigh
the FO whiffed badly on ossweiler and whiffed badly on mccowns value. I cant think of a single person here that was ecpressing boundless optimism at the thought of ossweiler starting the season with a fresh noobinz in kizer behind him or some soon to be journeymen noodle arm game manager. Almost everyone saw this coming to some extent.
If you read my post, the thing is that neither Osweiler or Kizer had to start. Kessler was the one supposed to start.
And the Osweiler trade was brilliant. Getting a second round pick for some cap space that you're not going to use anyway? All the league thought it was brilliant. And what you do, at least, if you're going to eat up his contract, is to prove him and see what you got.
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Again with the ultra-macro W/L... *sighs* ... With that as a yardstick I'm not sure what your basis is for "some parts better/worse". Here's my games within the game take...
- QB is worse. WR has been worse... stay tuned. RB same. TE same-ish. OL? Better... much better.
- DL is better. LB is better. CBs are better. Safeties? Again, same-ish.
- STs? Same to a little better by virtue of kick off touchbacks.
The determining issue has been QB play.... with a non-trivial assist from the WR corps.
lol... so you've shifted from a one-year turnaround to a fan-sustaining 12-yo achievement? And it only took a couple days to come up with the latter.
I'm pretty sure the rostered players in common to the SB team and this years edition can be counted on one hand... with at least a "fill-in-the-blank" finger left over.
Nice try...
They turned it around in less than half a century. Can you say that about the browns? We're about the one fifth century point now.
They turned it around in less than half a century. Can you say that about the browns? We're about the one fifth century point now.
That 12 years and 20 years are both less than half a century?
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I really don't think this game could've come at a worse time. Our defense is beat up, struggling to force stops or turnovers, and we're giving up WAY too many points. I mean, we finally had a couple of red zone "stops" (FG's instead of TDs) or else that Bengals game would've been WAY out of hand. They didn't even punt until the second freaking half! So who do you get to play when your defense is banged up and struggling to stop anyone? Why you face the hottest team in the country at their stadium!
Making matters somehow worse, this is essentially the same team we beat last year. You can bet your bottom dollar they remember that, and there's NO way they're going to let that happen again. With the Chiefs struggling, the Chargers know they are in prime position to steal this division, and they basically get a lay-up with the abysmal Browns coming to town. Not only THAT, but the Chargers have the absolute best pass-rushing tandem in the league. Yippity-Doo. Since week 5, the Bolts have given up only 4 passing touchdowns (I think I read that correctly). Conversely, we've given up 237. (joking...sort of).
Kizer is in deep trouble, and my only hope for him is that we're able to somehow run the ball, we find a way to execute quick passes, and he continues to safely run the ball when he sees daylight. Kizer's running ability is something I was very critical of, and it makes me happy to see him progressing. Earlier in the year, I saw some running lanes that would've been 15-25 yards EASY. Obviously we want our QB throwing the rock, but when there are lanes like THAT, you'd like to see him take those yards. Something else that running QB's can do is somewhat dictate what the LB's do. If a QB gashes a team enough, the defense will have to keep a linebacker locked in on him, and that means other people might have more freedom. It's the whole "domino effect" that we've had so little success with for years. We don't have "those guys" that make defenses adjust, and we're constantly reacting to what THEY do as opposed to setting the tone WE want. Speaking of progress, I like the "touch" I've seen by Kizer on some of his recent throws. Again, this shows me he's learning.
Another example of potential domino effect is the presence of Josh Gordon. Can he demand enough respect to open up the middle for other people? Can he take a safety deep and open up the seam for Njoku? Some crossers for Corey? Fake bubble-screens or reverses? I expect VERY LITTLE from Josh in terms of catching the ball, but I do expect his presence to be felt in other ways. Don't forget, the Bolts have a couple of studs in their secondary, and it's not like we have a QB who can "throw people open" generally. I still think we'll see a couple of deep shots, but I expect them to be WAY off...per the norm.
Edit: Just heard the Chargers haven't give up 70 yards to a WR since week 5 when Odell Beckham did it. And I think they have given up just one passing TD to a WR in the past 6 games? Jesus. Hopefully we can get to the 1 yard line so Kizer can sneak it in.
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I think we will find out just how valuable Ogbah has been for this defense. When a young defense that lacks depth loses the NFLs best DE against the run it’s gonna hurt.
He's one of the nfl's best run stoppers?
1) i know this is bs without even looking it up
2) i did anyway, and pff ranks him as 70-72. Thats avg and quite frankly i was surprised he even got that
He's one of the nfl's best run stoppers?
1) i know this is bs without even looking it up
2) i did anyway, and pff ranks him as 70-72. Thats avg and quite frankly i was surprised he even got that
Hmmm, I could’ve sworn the PFF guy CBD has on every week said that he was the best DE against the run, must’ve just been for one week, but I also found this post that had him in second place between Joey Bosa and Calais Campbell in run stops weeks 2-6
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Could be the difference between Og's inside-gap performance and his edge setting, which is what Cleve has harped upon.
Could be the difference between Og's inside-gap performance and his edge setting, which is what Cleve has harped upon.
Thats gotta be it cause his edge has been horrendous. U noted it urself some weeks ago how easily he was getting seal/turn blocked. Or literally not noticing that TE lined up just to his left licking his chops at an oblivious DE who's about to get jacked into the DT to his right.
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They turned it around in less than half a century. Can you say that about the browns? We're about the one fifth century point now.
That 12 years and 20 years are both less than half a century?
That 12 years and 20 years are both less than half a century?
The browns won the title in 64..... 1964.... And that is well over half a century.
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I was a bit surprised by this. . .
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The browns won the title in 64..... 1964.... And that is well over half a century.
So long ago that the name of the Championship changed and there has now been 51 of those Super Bowls since....
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The browns won the title in 64..... 1964.... And that is well over half a century.
So long ago that the name of the Championship changed and there has now been 51 of those Super Bowls since....
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No Charger punts in the 1st half (just like last week against the Bengals). Greg Williams is a joke and this defense is putrid.
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they've held them to 9 points dude. 3 field goals. Phillip Rivers. Is ur brain ok?
Do you the Phillip Rivers that is 5-6?
Our standards for good football are quite different my friend.
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