Should we draft a quarterback 1st overall?
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/aaron-rodgers-2005-nfl-draft-scouting-reports
Rodgers - nope.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sports/packers/212246281.html/
Scouts weren't saying any such thing about Favre
Theismann and Stabler, sure....
Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
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As a wise man once said: "You can't polish a turd, Beavis".
They polished a turd on myth busters. Then you get a pretty piece of shyt
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Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
Yes, I'm sure Favre's character flaws started immediately he was drafted by the Falcons.
He was most likely a choir boy the year before at Southern Miss.
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Apparently the scouts missed a pretty big personality flaw with Favre - he'd be traded by Atlanta to Green Bay after one season because, in his words: "I didn't help my time with the Falcons by trying to drink all of Atlanta..."
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
Glad that you are so enlightened that you do not see alcoholism and addiction as a character flaw.
Favre drank heavily....then went on to become addicted to Vicodin. But, he recovered.
And if you don't think that Favre...or Aaron Rodgers have not displayed a lot of arrogance....you must not have been watching.
By the way....I don't mind some arrogance and Sockiness if you can back it up. These guy did. A guy like JFF did not.
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has nothing to do with the subject of having character flaws in college prior to the draft. The Atlanta Falcons are an NFL team.
Glad that you are so enlightened that you do not see alcoholism and addiction as a character flaw.
Favre drank heavily....then went on to become addicted to Vicodin. But, he recovered.
And if you don't think that Favre...or Aaron Rodgers have not displayed a lot of arrogance....you must not have been watching.
By the way....I don't mind some arrogance and Sockiness if you can back it up. These guy did. A guy like JFF did not.
Glad that you are so enlightened that you do not see alcoholism and addiction as a character flaw.
Favre drank heavily....then went on to become addicted to Vicodin. But, he recovered.
And if you don't think that Favre...or Aaron Rodgers have not displayed a lot of arrogance....you must not have been watching.
By the way....I don't mind some arrogance and Sockiness if you can back it up. These guy did. A guy like JFF did not.
I'm glad you haven't lost your ability to quibble stupidly. I don't see anywhere where favre did that IN COLLEGE, as in, BEFORE THE DRAFT. that is the subject - drafting players who already showed themselves to have serious problems.
Don't be stupid - extremely confident is not the same as being character flaw asswhole arrogant. Jimmy Clausen/Rosenare not just arrogant - they have personality flaws and extreme arrogance is part of that.
I'm talking degrees here - having a great sense of humor is not the same as being a practical joker that stupidly gets people injured and no one can stand. You apparently don't know the difference.
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Meanwhile back at the thread...
I think we saw today why the answer to the thread title is, "Yes."
It's not that Kizer cannot continue to improve, he can, but everything seems to be a learning process. In the history of blank slates, I am hard pressed to think of a blanker one.
Today I saw continued improvement in intermediate level QB play for about 3.5 quarters... short touch was better... decision making was better... deep passing? Well, it wasn't worse.
But when we got to crunch time, a fresh, blank slate emerged.
- Holding the ball forever even as he moved nicely out of the pocket to get strip sacked on a third and long when a FG is a good alternative...
- Then with time waning taking a sack a foot from the sideline when a backhand pass OB kills the clock?
Situational football can be taught, can be learned... even ingrained deep enough to be there in crunch time...
... but we don't have the time.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
With a strong run defense, Njoku, Coleman, Devalve and Duke plus maybe Gordon plus a shitload of draft picks this team is ready to win some games. Kizer can develop but his red zone play is atrocious
Draft Rosen and don’t look back.
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With a strong run defense, Njoku, Coleman, Devalve and Duke plus maybe Gordon plus a shitload of draft picks this team is ready to win some games. Kizer can develop but his red zone play is atrocious
Draft Rosen and don’t look back.
With a strong run defense, Njoku, Coleman, Devalve and Duke plus maybe Gordon this team is ready to win some games. Kizer can develop but his red zone play is atrocious
Draft Rosen and don’t look back.
I have no idea if this current front office will be here come next April, but I can't see them (or whoever replaces them) staring at the #1 overall pick and saying: "Yeah, but we have Kizer"...
Not only that, what non-QB looks like a great alternative to take #1 overall?
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With a strong run defense, Njoku, Coleman, Devalve and Duke plus maybe Gordon this team is ready to win some games. Kizer can develop but his red zone play is atrocious
Draft Rosen and don’t look back.
I have no idea if this current front office will be here come next April, but I can't see them (or whoever replaces them) staring at the #1 overall pick and saying: "Yeah, but we have Kizer"...
Not only that, what non-QB looks like a great alternative to take #1 overall?
I have no idea if this current front office will be here come next April, but I can't see them (or whoever replaces them) staring at the #1 overall pick and saying: "Yeah, but we have Kizer"...
Not only that, what non-QB looks like a great alternative to take #1 overall?
Exactly, it is going to be a QB, it’s all set up for it. And then add some playmakers on the perimeter on both sides of the ball.
People will be surprised how quickly this team can win
Edit - new head coach permitting
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Meanwhile back at the thread...
I think we saw today why the answer to the thread title is, "Yes."
It's not that Kizer cannot continue to improve, he can, but everything seems to be a learning process. In the history of blank slates, I am hard pressed to think of a blanker one.
Today I saw continued improvement in intermediate level QB play for about 3.5 quarters... short touch was better... decision making was better... deep passing? Well, it wasn't worse.
But when we got to crunch time, a fresh, blank slate emerged.
- Holding the ball forever even as he moved nicely out of the pocket to get strip sacked on a third and long when a FG is a good alternative...
- Then with time waning taking a sack a foot from the sideline when a backhand pass OB kills the clock?
Situational football can be taught, can be learned... even ingrained deep enough to be there in crunch time...
... but we don't have the time.
Meanwhile back at the thread...
I think we saw today why the answer to the thread title is, "Yes."
It's not that Kizer cannot continue to improve, he can, but everything seems to be a learning process. In the history of blank slates, I am hard pressed to think of a blanker one.
Today I saw continued improvement in intermediate level QB play for about 3.5 quarters... short touch was better... decision making was better... deep passing? Well, it wasn't worse.
But when we got to crunch time, a fresh, blank slate emerged.
- Holding the ball forever even as he moved nicely out of the pocket to get strip sacked on a third and long when a FG is a good alternative...
- Then with time waning taking a sack a foot from the sideline when a backhand pass OB kills the clock?
Situational football can be taught, can be learned... even ingrained deep enough to be there in crunch time...
... but we don't have the time.
I think the game just moves too fast for Kizer unfortunately. Equally as unfortunate....I think it moves to fast for our head coach as well to handle the job. Those two things together are not going to win many games.
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having this discussion is ridiculous....OF COURSE we will take a qb first. there is so much pressure on the organization to do so at this point because of past misses that even if it werent the right move(and it is), we would be forced to. It's not even a decision at this point. My 3 yo niece knows the browns are going to take a qb first
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having this discussion is ridiculous....OF COURSE we will take a qb first. there is so much pressure on the organization to do so at this point because of past misses that even if it werent the right move(and it is), we would be forced to. It's not even a decision at this point. My 3 yo niece knows the browns are going to take a qb first
having this discussion is ridiculous....OF COURSE we will take a qb first. there is so much pressure on the organization to do so at this point because of past misses that even if it werent the right move(and it is), we would be forced to. It's not even a decision at this point. My 3 yo niece knows the browns are going to take a qb first
Well it might seem that way but I don't think we have any idea what these guys are going to do. If they actually have faith in DeShone Kizer then the running back and receiver make sense.
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Man, I don't know about you guys, but I just can't see a way we DON'T draft a QB first overall. At times today Kizer looked ok, but he's literally made ZERO progress ALL year in the red zone, and I'm completely tired of it. Now today, the ugly red zone turnovers have reared their ugly heads again, although I'm not sure if his last pick was technically in the red zone. Regardless, when we have the ball in a position to score, Kizer can't make it happen. The only TD throw he can somewhat consistently do is the deep seam pass, and he's only done that TWICE. His other ones were a 3 yard slant to Coleman, a ten yard pass to Britt (Britt slipped a tackle and ran it 15 yards btw), a one-yard looper to Njoku, and a "no-look", across the field, blind-luck 25 yarder to Britt who SOMEHOW made the catch of his life. That's it, folks. In ten or eleven games, those are the only TD passes Kizer has to his name. Oh, he also leads the league with sixteen picks, and several fumbles lost. And I don't want to hear about how he's got 5 or 6 rushing TD's. I don't really care. If we get the ball down to the one yard line, then I'll get excited.
And I really don't want to sound like I expect Kizer to be perfect because I know that's not fair. But Jesus Christ, can the guy get hot for ONE game? I understand he had a couple of very nice throws today, but he also missed a few that could've been the difference in the game. It seems like I say this every week. Last week Kizer got screwed over by Coleman, but how many times has Kizer missed somebody, especially deep? I mean, I counted two examples TODAY where Kizer missed potential long gainers, and maybe they could've gone all the way. Did I mention they were to Gordon? The one guy who actually MIGHT take it the distance?
Here's what REALLY ticks me off. It basically comes down to red zone and nothing else. If you watch the entire game, Kizer actually puts the team in a position to win. Despite giving up a ton of yards, the defense somehow kept us in it WITHOUT forcing a turnover YET AGAIN. Anyways, look at Kizer's decisions in the red zone. Go back and look at every snap he takes just from this game, and include his last drive that ended in a pick. The play BEFORE the pick, Kizer somehow TAKES A FREAKING SACK! He's running to his left, has all day to throw it away and save time, but tries a stupid juke move and gets sacked...costing us about 30 seconds. I seriously don't get it. And then after that bonehead play, he throws the ball into triple coverage! How in the HELL does he make that throw? What I want you to do is go back and watch that pick, I know it hurts, and I want you to pay attention to the bottom of the screen. I don't know who the receiver is, and I'm not saying he's "open", but we have a receiver with single coverage streaking towards the corner. It would be a safe pass, a SMART pass, and if it's incomplete, we're still able to kick a FG. Don't get me started about the Bosa sack-strip. I'm not in a stable enough mood to discuss it yet.
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having this discussion is ridiculous....OF COURSE we will take a qb first. there is so much pressure on the organization to do so at this point because of past misses that even if it werent the right move(and it is), we would be forced to. It's not even a decision at this point. My 3 yo niece knows the browns are going to take a qb first
Well it might seem that way but I don't think we have any idea what these guys are going to do. If they actually have faith in DeShone Kizer then the running back and receiver make sense.
WSS
Well it might seem that way but I don't think we have any idea what these guys are going to do. If they actually have faith in DeShone Kizer then the running back and receiver make sense.
WSS
What makes no sense is for them to have faith in DeShone Kizer as a franchise quaterback.
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Well it might seem that way but I don't think we have any idea what these guys are going to do. If they actually have faith in DeShone Kizer then the running back and receiver make sense.
WSS
What makes no sense is for them to have faith in DeShone Kizer as a franchise quaterback.
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having this discussion is ridiculous....OF COURSE we will take a qb first. there is so much pressure on the organization to do so at this point because of past misses that even if it werent the right move(and it is), we would be forced to. It's not even a decision at this point. My 3 yo niece knows the browns are going to take a qb first
Well it might seem that way but I don't think we have any idea what these guys are going to do. If they actually have faith in DeShone Kizer then the running back and receiver make sense.
WSS
Well it might seem that way but I don't think we have any idea what these guys are going to do. If they actually have faith in DeShone Kizer then the running back and receiver make sense.
WSS
they dont have any faith in kizer. wasting a second round pick on him was another miss by this FO, but anyone can see he sucks.
Our FO will take a qb first. Every front office would. My 3 year old niece would. this is not a decision.
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The good news about Kizer being so bad is that we can be sure that we will draft a QB high next draft.
Imagine if he stepped up in his game and they got to think ''hey, maybe he's our guy''... Yikes!
The good news about Kizer being so bad is that we can be sure that we will draft a QB high next draft.
Imagine if he stepped up in his game and they got to think ''hey, maybe he's our guy''... Yikes!
what i saw of the game in passing (as in walking away) is not kizer as the prob.
all you #s fags and guys who propose the brown's defense is some great entity, i can post video right now showing opposing rbs and wrs running through this 'killer' D like a hot knife through butter, every Shmucking week since the 0-0 start of this season. so go ahead and tout this group like they are 11 and 1.
i'd rather have deshone kizer as the brown's qb next year and not reach into this whack-butt qb class considering the past decade of NOT picking (at all, not even really attempting) the classic prototypical rookie who in their sophomore or junior year has become a NFL stantion. do we really have to name them? and now consider a rosen or darnold as someone that can even sniff their jocks?
why not fix the OL and running game and actually fix this so-called killer D before being worried about some weak, thin-elbowed west coast fag as a saviour of this team next year when you could've had starting pros from A-Z even past 2 years?
btw, if my name was aaron rodgers and had that talent plus banging olivia munn i'd be Socky too. ask sonny jurgensen, mickey mantle, ty cobb, lawrence taylor, david wells or even oil can (smoke crack between innings) boyd how they did intoxicated on the field.
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Meanwhile back at the thread...
I think we saw today why the answer to the thread title is, "Yes."
It's not that Kizer cannot continue to improve, he can, but everything seems to be a learning process. In the history of blank slates, I am hard pressed to think of a blanker one.
Today I saw continued improvement in intermediate level QB play for about 3.5 quarters... short touch was better... decision making was better... deep passing? Well, it wasn't worse.
But when we got to crunch time, a fresh, blank slate emerged.
- Holding the ball forever even as he moved nicely out of the pocket to get strip sacked on a third and long when a FG is a good alternative...
- Then with time waning taking a sack a foot from the sideline when a backhand pass OB kills the clock?
Situational football can be taught, can be learned... even ingrained deep enough to be there in crunch time...
... but we don't have the time.
Meanwhile back at the thread...
I think we saw today why the answer to the thread title is, "Yes."
It's not that Kizer cannot continue to improve, he can, but everything seems to be a learning process. In the history of blank slates, I am hard pressed to think of a blanker one.
Today I saw continued improvement in intermediate level QB play for about 3.5 quarters... short touch was better... decision making was better... deep passing? Well, it wasn't worse.
But when we got to crunch time, a fresh, blank slate emerged.
- Holding the ball forever even as he moved nicely out of the pocket to get strip sacked on a third and long when a FG is a good alternative...
- Then with time waning taking a sack a foot from the sideline when a backhand pass OB kills the clock?
Situational football can be taught, can be learned... even ingrained deep enough to be there in crunch time...
... but we don't have the time.
Kizer hasn't even learned the fundamental.. THROW THE BALL AWAY IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE POCKET.
Man, I don't know about you guys, but I just can't see a way we DON'T draft a QB first overall. At times today Kizer looked ok, but he's literally made ZERO progress ALL year in the red zone, and I'm completely tired of it. Now today, the ugly red zone turnovers have reared their ugly heads again, although I'm not sure if his last pick was technically in the red zone. Regardless, when we have the ball in a position to score, Kizer can't make it happen. The only TD throw he can somewhat consistently do is the deep seam pass, and he's only done that TWICE. His other ones were a 3 yard slant to Coleman, a ten yard pass to Britt (Britt slipped a tackle and ran it 15 yards btw), a one-yard looper to Njoku, and a "no-look", across the field, blind-luck 25 yarder to Britt who SOMEHOW made the catch of his life. That's it, folks. In ten or eleven games, those are the only TD passes Kizer has to his name. Oh, he also leads the league with sixteen picks, and several fumbles lost. And I don't want to hear about how he's got 5 or 6 rushing TD's. I don't really care. If we get the ball down to the one yard line, then I'll get excited.
And I really don't want to sound like I expect Kizer to be perfect because I know that's not fair. But Jesus Christ, can the guy get hot for ONE game? I understand he had a couple of very nice throws today, but he also missed a few that could've been the difference in the game. It seems like I say this every week. Last week Kizer got screwed over by Coleman, but how many times has Kizer missed somebody, especially deep? I mean, I counted two examples TODAY where Kizer missed potential long gainers, and maybe they could've gone all the way. Did I mention they were to Gordon? The one guy who actually MIGHT take it the distance?
Here's what REALLY ticks me off. It basically comes down to red zone and nothing else. If you watch the entire game, Kizer actually puts the team in a position to win. Despite giving up a ton of yards, the defense somehow kept us in it WITHOUT forcing a turnover YET AGAIN. Anyways, look at Kizer's decisions in the red zone. Go back and look at every snap he takes just from this game, and include his last drive that ended in a pick. The play BEFORE the pick, Kizer somehow TAKES A FREAKING SACK! He's running to his left, has all day to throw it away and save time, but tries a stupid juke move and gets sacked...costing us about 30 seconds. I seriously don't get it. And then after that bonehead play, he throws the ball into triple coverage! How in the HELL does he make that throw? What I want you to do is go back and watch that pick, I know it hurts, and I want you to pay attention to the bottom of the screen. I don't know who the receiver is, and I'm not saying he's "open", but we have a receiver with single coverage streaking towards the corner. It would be a safe pass, a SMART pass, and if it's incomplete, we're still able to kick a FG. Don't get me started about the Bosa sack-strip. I'm not in a stable enough mood to discuss it yet.
To distill it- KIZER SUCKS.
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Meanwhile back at the thread...
I think we saw today why the answer to the thread title is, "Yes."
It's not that Kizer cannot continue to improve, he can, but everything seems to be a learning process. In the history of blank slates, I am hard pressed to think of a blanker one.
Today I saw continued improvement in intermediate level QB play for about 3.5 quarters... short touch was better... decision making was better... deep passing? Well, it wasn't worse.
But when we got to crunch time, a fresh, blank slate emerged.
- Holding the ball forever even as he moved nicely out of the pocket to get strip sacked on a third and long when a FG is a good alternative...
- Then with time waning taking a sack a foot from the sideline when a backhand pass OB kills the clock?
Situational football can be taught, can be learned... even ingrained deep enough to be there in crunch time...
... but we don't have the time.
Kizer hasn't even learned the fundamental.. THROW THE BALL AWAY IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE POCKET.
Man, I don't know about you guys, but I just can't see a way we DON'T draft a QB first overall. At times today Kizer looked ok, but he's literally made ZERO progress ALL year in the red zone, and I'm completely tired of it. Now today, the ugly red zone turnovers have reared their ugly heads again, although I'm not sure if his last pick was technically in the red zone. Regardless, when we have the ball in a position to score, Kizer can't make it happen. The only TD throw he can somewhat consistently do is the deep seam pass, and he's only done that TWICE. His other ones were a 3 yard slant to Coleman, a ten yard pass to Britt (Britt slipped a tackle and ran it 15 yards btw), a one-yard looper to Njoku, and a "no-look", across the field, blind-luck 25 yarder to Britt who SOMEHOW made the catch of his life. That's it, folks. In ten or eleven games, those are the only TD passes Kizer has to his name. Oh, he also leads the league with sixteen picks, and several fumbles lost. And I don't want to hear about how he's got 5 or 6 rushing TD's. I don't really care. If we get the ball down to the one yard line, then I'll get excited.
And I really don't want to sound like I expect Kizer to be perfect because I know that's not fair. But Jesus Christ, can the guy get hot for ONE game? I understand he had a couple of very nice throws today, but he also missed a few that could've been the difference in the game. It seems like I say this every week. Last week Kizer got screwed over by Coleman, but how many times has Kizer missed somebody, especially deep? I mean, I counted two examples TODAY where Kizer missed potential long gainers, and maybe they could've gone all the way. Did I mention they were to Gordon? The one guy who actually MIGHT take it the distance?
Here's what REALLY ticks me off. It basically comes down to red zone and nothing else. If you watch the entire game, Kizer actually puts the team in a position to win. Despite giving up a ton of yards, the defense somehow kept us in it WITHOUT forcing a turnover YET AGAIN. Anyways, look at Kizer's decisions in the red zone. Go back and look at every snap he takes just from this game, and include his last drive that ended in a pick. The play BEFORE the pick, Kizer somehow TAKES A FREAKING SACK! He's running to his left, has all day to throw it away and save time, but tries a stupid juke move and gets sacked...costing us about 30 seconds. I seriously don't get it. And then after that bonehead play, he throws the ball into triple coverage! How in the HELL does he make that throw? What I want you to do is go back and watch that pick, I know it hurts, and I want you to pay attention to the bottom of the screen. I don't know who the receiver is, and I'm not saying he's "open", but we have a receiver with single coverage streaking towards the corner. It would be a safe pass, a SMART pass, and if it's incomplete, we're still able to kick a FG. Don't get me started about the Bosa sack-strip. I'm not in a stable enough mood to discuss it yet.
To distill it- KIZER SUCKS.
Kizer hasn't even learned the fundamental.. THROW THE BALL AWAY IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE POCKET.
To distill it- KIZER SUCKS.
yep. so does d. johnson. i.crowell. our drugged out WR who people still Sheet in a hat for. our OL (since mack left). our TEs(compared to new NFL standards). our DL. our DEs. our LB corp. our 2 and 3rd line secondary. our coaches. the FO. the owner.
yep kizer sucks. so did Couch who i'm sure you all clapped and laughed at for when he was carted off the field for the 12th time dead and buried because the franchise's inability to build a flipping football team to sustain a rookie QB. wentz, goff, mariota, bortles, carr, stafford, wilson, ryan etc. etc. etc. etc. would be getting blasted by fans such as you who think the onus of this cowpoop organization lands squarely on one player.
why not bitch and cry about a #1 pick who has done squadoosh to help this team win one flippin game cuz he's got hangnail issues? kizer is getting buried left and right with hits that would knock your grandma into next week but nothing to be said about garrett or peppers or crow or d finger johnson, bitonio or any other slab of enept pieces of shite that play on this team. i thought no one could look worse than the colts, bills or bucs this year but i think all those teams won at least one game correct?
so if it is kizer who fans think is the prob then hue jackson and the FO must be the devil.
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