How the hell can you go 1-27.....
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Is that Marty Feldman on the right?
nah...that's vinny from the original ray's pizza upper east side. lol.
looks like him. gene wilder in the pisser.
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every 1-1.5 years, this same sht. Bring someone new in surely things will get better. And they don't. How many 1-2 yr coaching staffs do we have to go through before some of you clowns get it?
every 1-1.5 years, this same sht. Bring someone new in surely things will get better. And they don't. How many 1-2 yr coaching staffs do we have to go through before some of you clowns get it?
Until we get a group here that knows what the hell they are doing
it doesn’t take 3 years to win in the NFL
Teams turn around every year. Except this team. Because they keep hiring to wrong people
If this regime stays they might go winless next year too
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John McKay had a better record in 2 years with an EXPANSION team
Heck even Cris Palmer won more with the 1999-2000 crap team
All these people should be fired
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i have a 'giant boulder se' hanging from my BR ceiling that i've prob ridden 5-6 times. have a great bike/jogger path right out side my window that goes from yonkers to albany. right overtop the original aqueduct system that brings water down from the fresh water reservoirs. not about biking for me. more about the other assholes who could give a flying f if you lived or died. the crossings from street to path are dangerous yet the millennials act as if there isn't anyone else in the world besides themselves.saw a dude hit and run/killed a baby deer the other day in a 2 lane race coming up the hill where i live. lady yelled at me for not 'scooping' my dog's Sheet up while i'm 50 yards in the woods where the deer, coyotes and other wildlife Sheet for free. what's riding worth if you have to stop every minute to watch some fag stretch in the middle of broadway while people roll their window down and shoot caps in the air?
i'm giving my legcentric bike away so i can just buy this lazy old man gear:
https://www.hsn.com/products/swagtron-swagcycle-folding-electric-bike/8549351
i know i'm cute BUT i can look 'super cute' with this Sheet.
i have a 'giant boulder se' hanging from my BR ceiling that i've prob ridden 5-6 times. have a great bike/jogger path right out side my window that goes from yonkers to albany. right overtop the original aqueduct system that brings water down from the fresh water reservoirs. not about biking for me. more about the other assholes who could give a flying f if you lived or died. the crossings from street to path are dangerous yet the millennials act as if there isn't anyone else in the world besides themselves.saw a dude hit and run/killed a baby deer the other day in a 2 lane race coming up the hill where i live. lady yelled at me for not 'scooping' my dog's Sheet up while i'm 50 yards in the woods where the deer, coyotes and other wildlife Sheet for free. what's riding worth if you have to stop every minute to watch some fag stretch in the middle of broadway while people roll their window down and shoot caps in the air?
i'm giving my legcentric bike away so i can just buy this lazy old man gear:
https://www.hsn.com/products/swagtron-swagcycle-folding-electric-bike/8549351
i know i'm cute BUT i can look 'super cute' with this Sheet.
i hear ya man........Shmucking insane society it has become....i hate texting...will never ever buy an iphone...i had to break down and get my wife one because she was complaining that when she goes to business meetings, she's the only one with a fliptop....guess she has a point there...that is kind of funny...i have a flip top and love it....I also belong to a runners club and all we run are these greenway trails...they are great...no Shmucking cars...awesome....
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How the hell can you go 1-27.....
You really have to have all the wrong people in place to pull something like that off.
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i have a 'giant boulder se' hanging from my BR ceiling that i've prob ridden 5-6 times. have a great bike/jogger path right out side my window that goes from yonkers to albany. right overtop the original aqueduct system that brings water down from the fresh water reservoirs. not about biking for me. more about the other assholes who could give a flying f if you lived or died. the crossings from street to path are dangerous yet the millennials act as if there isn't anyone else in the world besides themselves.saw a dude hit and run/killed a baby deer the other day in a 2 lane race coming up the hill where i live. lady yelled at me for not 'scooping' my dog's Sheet up while i'm 50 yards in the woods where the deer, coyotes and other wildlife Sheet for free. what's riding worth if you have to stop every minute to watch some fag stretch in the middle of broadway while people roll their window down and shoot caps in the air?
i'm giving my legcentric bike away so i can just buy this lazy old man gear:
https://www.hsn.com/products/swagtron-swagcycle-folding-electric-bike/8549351
i know i'm cute BUT i can look 'super cute' with this Sheet.
i have a 'giant boulder se' hanging from my BR ceiling that i've prob ridden 5-6 times. have a great bike/jogger path right out side my window that goes from yonkers to albany. right overtop the original aqueduct system that brings water down from the fresh water reservoirs. not about biking for me. more about the other assholes who could give a flying f if you lived or died. the crossings from street to path are dangerous yet the millennials act as if there isn't anyone else in the world besides themselves.saw a dude hit and run/killed a baby deer the other day in a 2 lane race coming up the hill where i live. lady yelled at me for not 'scooping' my dog's Sheet up while i'm 50 yards in the woods where the deer, coyotes and other wildlife Sheet for free. what's riding worth if you have to stop every minute to watch some fag stretch in the middle of broadway while people roll their window down and shoot caps in the air?
i'm giving my legcentric bike away so i can just buy this lazy old man gear:
https://www.hsn.com/products/swagtron-swagcycle-folding-electric-bike/8549351
i know i'm cute BUT i can look 'super cute' with this Sheet.
How many miles per battery there Mik? Got out on a long ride today, looks like the last of the 50 degree weather for awhile. We're very fortunate here in Dayton to have one of the best Rails to Trails systems in the country. Literally 100s of miles, and never have to worry about getting on a road, unless I want to. Though I sometimes do- I can take one of those trails 25 miles out of town, and then it's country road. I can ride for miles and not see a car.
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on that electric bike? i think like 10...??? HA!!
but to run down on that to another village that has amenities i need at 9 in the AM when half in the bag....priceless.
best fried rides his victoria like 50 miles from his hometown in elmsford up to mt. kisco and back like 4x a week. it runs parallel (from parkway to path about 20 feet) along one of most dangerous idiot infested roadways in the world. don't know if you remember but the lady who drove on entered pkwy on wrong side of road with 4 kids in minivan and empty handle of vodka and did head on collision that killed everyone on both receiving ends? then her husband said she never drank but blood test came back drunk and high as hell? yeah that one. that's what i deal with daily. i've been through dayton many times back in the day on the back and forth between sandusky and ft. knox and it's like eating fluffly wedding cake to this crap.
nothing comes close to NY assholes on the road. well maybe boston and arizona. lived in all 3.
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And the Yucs played 14 game seasons those two years...
... and then went 5-11 in year 3...
... and then 10-6 and made the playoffs year 4.
So what's your point?
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And the Yucs played 14 game seasons those two years...
... and then went 5-11 in year 3...
... and then 10-6 and made the playoffs year 4.
So what's your point?
And the Yucs played 14 game seasons those two years...
... and then went 5-11 in year 3...
... and then 10-6 and made the playoffs year 4.
So what's your point?
Hue is historically bad? 1-27 sucks? That just because the Bucs had that track record back in the '70s has ZERO relation to anything the Cleveland Browns of 2017 might do in the future? I could be dead in 2020?
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and got to pick from one of best QB pool ever....... came away with vinny T.
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Phukk stosh!
Phukk depudpuller!
Phukk berryboy!
Phukk Hue!
Phukk Jimmah!
Keelhaul all the bastards back to tennessee where they belong. Not a one of them deserves anything from anyone in Northeast Ohio. Just a low life bunch of bums and thieves!
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I can only hope that Tour, War and a few others are right, and the rest of us are proclaiming them 'The Greatest Browns Fans Ever' in a few years, otherwise..... man I don't even want to think about the otherwise.
Thanks, but speaking for myself, it's really not a "fan-driven" view... just more of a foresight thing.
huh? Tour, War and a few others are right in that we will start getting a lot better.....
but thats just regression to the mean. and the cyclic nature of the nfl. The front office and coaching could still suck and we're going to improve a lot. The fo and coaching can continue to suck and we will come across a good spell eventually.
I know its hard for browns fans to see, but this kind of year in year out regular sucking is not the norm in the nfl....and there isn't anything that is inherent in our organization that will mean it will continue. We will be better. Just how bad we've been over the last two years is a damning point towards the people in charge now though....
Ehhhhh.... true phenomenon that is not universally applicable.
Fits best when outcomes are purely the product of random chance or at least common cause variation. I see it applied often in the stock market for example where in the macro on broad indices like the S&P 500 and Russell 2000, or even sector composites, there is some validity, but that validity decreases greatly as the move to individual companies is made and special causes emerge. You can get real broke real fast looking for poor performing companies to revert to their mean. Common cause variation is a tough case to make for the post-'99 Browns.
My point was that there is a more likely third way- that the current organization is indeed lacking but there will still be an upswing. There almost has to be an upswing regardless. How big and long lasting the upswing is(will we be 8-8? will we make the playoffs? for how many years?) is the question.....
But framing it as "if we get better then patience with the current organization paid off" is a stupid way of looking at it. I'm confident we will get a good bit better regardless. Just because thats the way the nfl works.
As for history, as I've said the browns are an anomaly....there is nothing that indicates they will continue to be and that means they will fluctuate like every other nfl team typically does...
Blind faith is stupid. I, and the others members of the "sunshine squad" are not blind... and neither are good statisticians. They would be able to use reversion to the mean to predict future records and duration... within confidence limits of course. But then they would also start from the point of a sound statistical analysis and not half-baked, misapplied generalities.
You get rid of almost every player over 28. You focus on building a roster that will be good 3-4 years down the road and beyond, not worried about the first couple years. You also put good players on IR that don't really need it (but we haven't talked about that here). Quit panicking.
Folks go with what they know...
Thanks, but speaking for myself, it's really not a "fan-driven" view... just more of a foresight thing.
Ehhhhh.... true phenomenon that is not universally applicable.
Fits best when outcomes are purely the product of random chance or at least common cause variation. I see it applied often in the stock market for example where in the macro on broad indices like the S&P 500 and Russell 2000, or even sector composites, there is some validity, but that validity decreases greatly as the move to individual companies is made and special causes emerge. You can get real broke real fast looking for poor performing companies to revert to their mean. Common cause variation is a tough case to make for the post-'99 Browns.
Blind faith is stupid. I, and the others members of the "sunshine squad" are not blind... and neither are good statisticians. They would be able to use reversion to the mean to predict future records and duration... within confidence limits of course. But then they would also start from the point of a sound statistical analysis and not half-baked, misapplied generalities.
Folks go with what they know...
your mistake is thinking that there is some 'special cause' or special case here with this organization. We aren't doing anything revolutionary or different here over the last few years. over the last 15 years or whatever the browns are certainly an outlier in terms of expected fluctuations/cycles in the modern nfl, but betting on that to continue is foolish......in any collection of that many teams and there many different 3 and 4 year cycles over that time(150+), you're going to have a few data points that don't fit in. Predicting that to continue is just foolish. That's why we are bound to get better and have some good times. Or at least not terrible times. What the duration of those times will be and whether they will be truly good times or just mediocre times is the key question....
I see sunshine pumpers using half-baked generalities and clichés more than anyone else.
Just by virtue of sucking so bad now for so many consecutive years(even the last couple) we've upgraded the roster based on how the nfl awards draft picks. So we'll get better.
I'm understandably frustrated by some of the recent draft picks....Kizer is a second round pick who absolutely blows. Corey Coleman was a #15 overall pick(NUMBER 15!!!) who quite frankly even when healthy doesn't look like anything close to a #15 overall wideout pick. The other wide receiver picks(admittedly lower) were obviously busts. Peppers was a shiny object name pick at the end of the first round that reeks of what bad organizations do. I'm not saying I could have done better, but then again I'm not paid to do it....they are, and you get judged by your results.
But we'll get better. Of that I'm near certain. The people who say we will continue to suck because "it's the browns" don't know what they are talking about.
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I hate to say it but some of the Browns fans the media and even the owner deserve these two seasons based on the four or five years prior.
Pushin Holmgren & Company out early, drafting Johnny Manziel, the whole Kyle Shanahan debacle these are a few reasons alone why the Browns, their fans, and especially the media in Cleveland deserve an O- 16 Season
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I hate to say it but some of the Browns fans the media and even the owner deserve these two seasons based on the four or five years prior.
Pushin Holmgren & Company out early, drafting Johnny Manziel, the whole Kyle Shanahan debacle these are a few reasons alone why the Browns, their fans, and especially the media in Cleveland deserve an O- 16 Season
I hate to say it but some of the Browns fans the media and even the owner deserve these two seasons based on the four or five years prior.
Pushin Holmgren & Company out early, drafting Johnny Manziel, the whole Kyle Shanahan debacle these are a few reasons alone why the Browns, their fans, and especially the media in Cleveland deserve an O- 16 Season
The long suffering fans don't deserve 0-16, but Truck Stop Jimmy just might.... I honestly believe he cares- but is just clueless on how to build a winning football organization. Not only NFL- but he's got egg on his face in Tennessee on top of that coaching fiasco with the Vols. He apparently learned nothing from his stint as a minority owner of the Steelers.
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I hate to say it but some of the Browns fans the media and even the owner deserve these two seasons based on the four or five years prior.
Pushin Holmgren & Company out early, drafting Johnny Manziel, the whole Kyle Shanahan debacle these are a few reasons alone why the Browns, their fans, and especially the media in Cleveland deserve an O- 16 Season
I hate to say it but some of the Browns fans the media and even the owner deserve these two seasons based on the four or five years prior.
Pushin Holmgren & Company out early, drafting Johnny Manziel, the whole Kyle Shanahan debacle these are a few reasons alone why the Browns, their fans, and especially the media in Cleveland deserve an O- 16 Season
4 or 5 years?
where the F you been since the 70s....URANUS?
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Thanks, but speaking for myself, it's really not a "fan-driven" view... just more of a foresight thing.
Ehhhhh.... true phenomenon that is not universally applicable.
Fits best when outcomes are purely the product of random chance or at least common cause variation. I see it applied often in the stock market for example where in the macro on broad indices like the S&P 500 and Russell 2000, or even sector composites, there is some validity, but that validity decreases greatly as the move to individual companies is made and special causes emerge. You can get real broke real fast looking for poor performing companies to revert to their mean. Common cause variation is a tough case to make for the post-'99 Browns.
Blind faith is stupid. I, and the others members of the "sunshine squad" are not blind... and neither are good statisticians. They would be able to use reversion to the mean to predict future records and duration... within confidence limits of course. But then they would also start from the point of a sound statistical analysis and not half-baked, misapplied generalities.
Folks go with what they know...
your mistake is thinking that there is some 'special cause' or special case here with this organization. We aren't doing anything revolutionary or different here over the last few years. over the last 15 years or whatever the browns are certainly an outlier in terms of expected fluctuations/cycles in the modern nfl, but betting on that to continue is foolish......in any collection of that many teams and there many different 3 and 4 year cycles over that time(150+), you're going to have a few data points that don't fit in. Predicting that to continue is just foolish. That's why we are bound to get better and have some good times. Or at least not terrible times. What the duration of those times will be and whether they will be truly good times or just mediocre times is the key question....
I see sunshine pumpers using half-baked generalities and clichés more than anyone else.
Just by virtue of sucking so bad now for so many consecutive years(even the last couple) we've upgraded the roster based on how the nfl awards draft picks. So we'll get better.
I'm understandably frustrated by some of the recent draft picks....Kizer is a second round pick who absolutely blows. Corey Coleman was a #15 overall pick(NUMBER 15!!!) who quite frankly even when healthy doesn't look like anything close to a #15 overall wideout pick. The other wide receiver picks(admittedly lower) were obviously busts. Peppers was a shiny object name pick at the end of the first round that reeks of what bad organizations do. I'm not saying I could have done better, but then again I'm not paid to do it....they are, and you get judged by your results.
But we'll get better. Of that I'm near certain. The people who say we will continue to suck because "it's the browns" don't know what they are talking about.
your mistake is thinking that there is some 'special cause' or special case here with this organization. We aren't doing anything revolutionary or different here over the last few years. over the last 15 years or whatever the browns are certainly an outlier in terms of expected fluctuations/cycles in the modern nfl, but betting on that to continue is foolish......in any collection of that many teams and there many different 3 and 4 year cycles over that time(150+), you're going to have a few data points that don't fit in. Predicting that to continue is just foolish. That's why we are bound to get better and have some good times. Or at least not terrible times. What the duration of those times will be and whether they will be truly good times or just mediocre times is the key question....
I see sunshine pumpers using half-baked generalities and clichés more than anyone else.
Just by virtue of sucking so bad now for so many consecutive years(even the last couple) we've upgraded the roster based on how the nfl awards draft picks. So we'll get better.
I'm understandably frustrated by some of the recent draft picks....Kizer is a second round pick who absolutely blows. Corey Coleman was a #15 overall pick(NUMBER 15!!!) who quite frankly even when healthy doesn't look like anything close to a #15 overall wideout pick. The other wide receiver picks(admittedly lower) were obviously busts. Peppers was a shiny object name pick at the end of the first round that reeks of what bad organizations do. I'm not saying I could have done better, but then again I'm not paid to do it....they are, and you get judged by your results.
But we'll get better. Of that I'm near certain. The people who say we will continue to suck because "it's the browns" don't know what they are talking about.
sounds like to me with your fluctuations, cycles and data points that you belong on wall st and not telling everyone the browns will get better...christ....
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