So, Jimbo gets $75 Million
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Figured Gipper was headed in for the troll attempt. Good stuff.
If telling the simple truth is trolling, so be it. Compare what FSU has done on the national stage compared to TAMU for the last 50 years.
Here is A&M:
Top 25 poll finishes
The Aggies have finished in the final season rankings of the AP Poll and Coaches Poll 26 times. The AP Poll first appeared in 1934, and has been published continuously since 1936. The Coaches Poll began its ranking with 20 teams in 1950–51 season, but expanded to 25 teams beginning in the 1990–91 season.[172]
Season AP rank Coaches rank 1939 1 N/A 1940 6 N/A 1941 9 N/A 1955 17 14 1956 5 5 1957 9 10 1974 16 15 1975 11 12 1976 7 8 1978 19 18 1985 6 7 1986 13 12 1987 10 9 1989 20 - 1990 15 13 1991 12 13 1992 7 6 1993 9 8 1994 8 - 1995 15 15 1997 20 21 1998 11 13 1999 23 20 2010 19 21 2012 5 5 2013 18 18 -
Compare to Florida State:
Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 1964 9–1–1 11 1967 7–2–2 15 1968 8–3–0 14 1971 8–4–0 19 1977 10–2–0 14 11 1979 11–1–0 6 8 1980 10–2–0 5 5 1982 9–3–0 13 10 1984 7–3–2 17 19 1985 9–3–0 15 13 1986 7–4–1 20 1987 11–1–0 2 2 1988 11–1–0 3 3 1989 10–2–0 3 2 1990 10–2–0 4 4 Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 1991 11–2–0 4 4 1992 11–1–0 2 2 1993 12–1–0 1 1 1994 10–1–1 4 5 1995 10–2–0 4 5 1996 11–1 3 3 1997 11–1 3 3 1998 11–2 3 3 1999 12–0 1 1 2000 11–2 5 4 2001 8–4 15 15 2002 9–5 21 23 2003 10–3 11 10 2004 9–3 15 14 2005 8–5 23 23 Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 2008 9–4 21 23 2010 10–4 17 16 2011 9–4 23 23 2012 12–2 10 8 2013 14–0 1 1 2014 13–1 5 6 2015 10–3 14 14 2016 10–3 8 8 -
Players should be paid
These high coaching salaries can be worth it
A stipend especially a needs based one for D-1A absolutely and with some adjustments for smaller schools and AD budgets, now there will be some discussion about things like Title IX and other issues but something can be worked out, it's 2017 not 1950.
The P5 D-1A coaches and even some million dollar assistants salaries are proof enough.
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Compare to Florida State:
Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 1964 9–1–1 11 1967 7–2–2 15 1968 8–3–0 14 1971 8–4–0 19 1977 10–2–0 14 11 1979 11–1–0 6 8 1980 10–2–0 5 5 1982 9–3–0 13 10 1984 7–3–2 17 19 1985 9–3–0 15 13 1986 7–4–1 20 1987 11–1–0 2 2 1988 11–1–0 3 3 1989 10–2–0 3 2 1990 10–2–0 4 4 Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 1991 11–2–0 4 4 1992 11–1–0 2 2 1993 12–1–0 1 1 1994 10–1–1 4 5 1995 10–2–0 4 5 1996 11–1 3 3 1997 11–1 3 3 1998 11–2 3 3 1999 12–0 1 1 2000 11–2 5 4 2001 8–4 15 15 2002 9–5 21 23 2003 10–3 11 10 2004 9–3 15 14 2005 8–5 23 23 Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 2008 9–4 21 23 2010 10–4 17 16 2011 9–4 23 23 2012 12–2 10 8 2013 14–0 1 1 2014 13–1 5 6 2015 10–3 14 14 2016 10–3 8 8 Compare to Florida State:
Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 1964 9–1–1 11 1967 7–2–2 15 1968 8–3–0 14 1971 8–4–0 19 1977 10–2–0 14 11 1979 11–1–0 6 8 1980 10–2–0 5 5 1982 9–3–0 13 10 1984 7–3–2 17 19 1985 9–3–0 15 13 1986 7–4–1 20 1987 11–1–0 2 2 1988 11–1–0 3 3 1989 10–2–0 3 2 1990 10–2–0 4 4 Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 1991 11–2–0 4 4 1992 11–1–0 2 2 1993 12–1–0 1 1 1994 10–1–1 4 5 1995 10–2–0 4 5 1996 11–1 3 3 1997 11–1 3 3 1998 11–2 3 3 1999 12–0 1 1 2000 11–2 5 4 2001 8–4 15 15 2002 9–5 21 23 2003 10–3 11 10 2004 9–3 15 14 2005 8–5 23 23 Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 2008 9–4 21 23 2010 10–4 17 16 2011 9–4 23 23 2012 12–2 10 8 2013 14–0 1 1 2014 13–1 5 6 2015 10–3 14 14 2016 10–3 8 8 I'm not arguing against the premise that FSU is better than A&M historically. It's A. the irrelevance of the point right now, B. the fact that such a troll was completely expected from you and C. that almost every single other premise in your post was wrong.
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Our best shot was 1975 but some idiot had scheduled Ark. up there the week after beating our hated rivals Texas Thanksgiving week. We were 10-0 but got jinxed by making the Sports Illustrated cover and came out flat as pancakes. Such a shame for a defense that provided 10 NFL starters from the starting 11.
We have until I'm 80 to make something out of this $75mil investment against the best division in college ball, SEC West. My dad was a freshman @ A&M when we won the last NC in 1939. Bear had us right there in 1957 until the cat got out of the bag that he was leaving for Bama. Lost the next two and the bowl by a total of 6 points. Crushing to say the least.
EDIT: As for Jimbo---he will either make us competitive or he will turn into another expensive pumpkin like Franchione. Flip a coin.
EDIT #2: Sumlin may not have been all that good, but damn 2012 with JFF was one magical year to watch. Especially the night he got off the turf against Mizzou, put on a knee brace and tore them apart to win the Heisman. I was right above him on the 2nd level while he laid there in agony with the crowd chanting "Johnny, Johnny, Johnny". What a night to remember!
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Compare to Florida State:
Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 1964 9–1–1 11 1967 7–2–2 15 1968 8–3–0 14 1971 8–4–0 19 1977 10–2–0 14 11 1979 11–1–0 6 8 1980 10–2–0 5 5 1982 9–3–0 13 10 1984 7–3–2 17 19 1985 9–3–0 15 13 1986 7–4–1 20 1987 11–1–0 2 2 1988 11–1–0 3 3 1989 10–2–0 3 2 1990 10–2–0 4 4 Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 1991 11–2–0 4 4 1992 11–1–0 2 2 1993 12–1–0 1 1 1994 10–1–1 4 5 1995 10–2–0 4 5 1996 11–1 3 3 1997 11–1 3 3 1998 11–2 3 3 1999 12–0 1 1 2000 11–2 5 4 2001 8–4 15 15 2002 9–5 21 23 2003 10–3 11 10 2004 9–3 15 14 2005 8–5 23 23 Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 2008 9–4 21 23 2010 10–4 17 16 2011 9–4 23 23 2012 12–2 10 8 2013 14–0 1 1 2014 13–1 5 6 2015 10–3 14 14 2016 10–3 8 8 I'm not arguing against the premise that FSU is better than A&M historically. It's A. the irrelevance of the point right now, B. the fact that such a troll was completely expected from you and C. that almost every single other premise in your post was wrong.
I'm not arguing against the premise that FSU is better than A&M historically. It's A. the irrelevance of the point right now, B. the fact that such a troll was completely expected from you and C. that almost every single other premise in your post was wrong.
The ONLY premises in my post were:
A. FSU has been better historically than TAMU, and
B. Fisher went to TAMU for the money.
C. Fisher did not maintain FSU at the same level of performance as Bobby Bowden.
So...explain which of these premises is wrong...and why?
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I'm not arguing against the premise that FSU is better than A&M historically. It's A. the irrelevance of the point right now, B. the fact that such a troll was completely expected from you and C. that almost every single other premise in your post was wrong.
The ONLY premises in my post were:
A. FSU has been better historically than TAMU, and
B. Fisher went to TAMU for the money.
C. Fisher did not maintain FSU at the same level of performance as Bobby Bowden.
So...explain which of these premises is wrong...and why?
The ONLY premises in my post were:
A. FSU has been better historically than TAMU, and
B. Fisher went to TAMU for the money.
C. Fisher did not maintain FSU at the same level of performance as Bobby Bowden.
So...explain which of these premises is wrong...and why?
Just what I said. B and C. He went for alot more than the money, if by money you are referring to his personal salary. He's said as much and it's pretty obvious when you evaluate the situation.
Fisher was better than Bowden at the end of the latter's career. They forced Bowden out because he was slipping. Jimbo came in, revived things, and won the national championship in year 4. 4 top 10 finishes. 5 top 15 finishes. 6 top 20 finishes. Finished ranked every single year. Yeah you're right. What a loser.
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The ONLY premises in my post were:
A. FSU has been better historically than TAMU, and
B. Fisher went to TAMU for the money.
C. Fisher did not maintain FSU at the same level of performance as Bobby Bowden.
So...explain which of these premises is wrong...and why?
Just what I said. B and C. He went for alot more than the money, if by money you are referring to his personal salary. He's said as much and it's pretty obvious when you evaluate the situation.
Fisher was better than Bowden at the end of the latter's career. They forced Bowden out because he was slipping. Jimbo came in, revived things, and won the national championship in year 4. 4 top 10 finishes. 5 top 15 finishes. 6 top 20 finishes. Finished ranked every single year. Yeah you're right. What a loser.
Just what I said. B and C. He went for alot more than the money, if by money you are referring to his personal salary. He's said as much and it's pretty obvious when you evaluate the situation.
Well...that is what I said....he went to A&M for a lot more money. Then why are you arguing with me about it?
Fisher was better than Bowden at the end of the latter's career. They forced Bowden out because he was slipping. Jimbo came in, revived things, and won the national championship in year 4. 4 top 10 finishes. 5 top 15 finishes. 6 top 20 finishes. Finished ranked every single year. Yeah you're right. What a loser.
OK, Bobby was 90 years old. So sure, he was going to slip. But his team finished in the Top 5 in 14 consecutive years. Fisher's teams finished in the Top 5 just once.
So....again.....where am I inaccurate when I say: He went for the money....and FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M..
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Of course he went for the money.. $75 mil before endorsements? State of the art facility? Word out of Tallahassee is they wouldn't build him a facility on a level of Clemson's but A&M already has one that's close in place.. Supposedly that was huge as well.
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Of course he went for the money.. $75 mil before endorsements? State of the art facility? Word out of Tallahassee is they wouldn't build him a facility on a level of Clemson's but A&M already has one that's close in place.. Supposedly that was huge as well.
Of course he went for the money.. $75 mil before endorsements? State of the art facility? Word out of Tallahassee is they wouldn't build him a facility on a level of Clemson's but A&M already has one that's close in place.. Supposedly that was huge as well.
It's never just for the money at this level -but- money is a big motivator. These guys are already very well off football guys.
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Just what I said. B and C. He went for alot more than the money, if by money you are referring to his personal salary. He's said as much and it's pretty obvious when you evaluate the situation.
Well...that is what I said....he went to A&M for a lot more money. Then why are you arguing with me about it?
Fisher was better than Bowden at the end of the latter's career. They forced Bowden out because he was slipping. Jimbo came in, revived things, and won the national championship in year 4. 4 top 10 finishes. 5 top 15 finishes. 6 top 20 finishes. Finished ranked every single year. Yeah you're right. What a loser.
OK, Bobby was 90 years old. So sure, he was going to slip. But his team finished in the Top 5 in 14 consecutive years. Fisher's teams finished in the Top 5 just once.
So....again.....where am I inaccurate when I say: He went for the money....and FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M..
Well...that is what I said....he went to A&M for a lot more money. Then why are you arguing with me about it?
He didn't go to A&M for the money of his salary alone (see Axe's post).
OK, Bobby was 90 years old. So sure, he was going to slip. But his team finished in the Top 5 in 14 consecutive years. Fisher's teams finished in the Top 5 just once.
So....again.....where am I inaccurate when I say: He went for the money....and FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M..
Bowden didn't finish in the top 5 a single time in his last 10 years. 3 of his last 4 years he finished unranked.
FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M. Not disputing that. Already said that. Jimbo did not leave for his own personal salary though, and Fisher was an improvement over Bowden at the time he stepped in.
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Compare to Florida State:
Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 1964 9–1–1 11 1967 7–2–2 15 1968 8–3–0 14 1971 8–4–0 19 1977 10–2–0 14 11 1979 11–1–0 6 8 1980 10–2–0 5 5 1982 9–3–0 13 10 1984 7–3–2 17 19 1985 9–3–0 15 13 1986 7–4–1 20 1987 11–1–0 2 2 1988 11–1–0 3 3 1989 10–2–0 3 2 1990 10–2–0 4 4 Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 1991 11–2–0 4 4 1992 11–1–0 2 2 1993 12–1–0 1 1 1994 10–1–1 4 5 1995 10–2–0 4 5 1996 11–1 3 3 1997 11–1 3 3 1998 11–2 3 3 1999 12–0 1 1 2000 11–2 5 4 2001 8–4 15 15 2002 9–5 21 23 2003 10–3 11 10 2004 9–3 15 14 2005 8–5 23 23 Year Record AP Poll† Coaches‡ 2008 9–4 21 23 2010 10–4 17 16 2011 9–4 23 23 2012 12–2 10 8 2013 14–0 1 1 2014 13–1 5 6 2015 10–3 14 14 2016 10–3 8 8 I'm not arguing against the premise that FSU is better than A&M historically. It's A. the irrelevance of the point right now, B. the fact that such a troll was completely expected from you and C. that almost every single other premise in your post was wrong.
C. that almost every single other premise in your post was wrong.
He does that a lot
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Well...that is what I said....he went to A&M for a lot more money. Then why are you arguing with me about it?
He didn't go to A&M for the money of his salary alone (see Axe's post).
OK, Bobby was 90 years old. So sure, he was going to slip. But his team finished in the Top 5 in 14 consecutive years. Fisher's teams finished in the Top 5 just once.
So....again.....where am I inaccurate when I say: He went for the money....and FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M..
Bowden didn't finish in the top 5 a single time in his last 10 years. 3 of his last 4 years he finished unranked.
FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M. Not disputing that. Already said that. Jimbo did not leave for his own personal salary though, and Fisher was an improvement over Bowden at the time he stepped in.
He didn't go to A&M for the money of his salary alone (see Axe's post).
Bowden didn't finish in the top 5 a single time in his last 10 years. 3 of his last 4 years he finished unranked.
FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M. Not disputing that. Already said that. Jimbo did not leave for his own personal salary though, and Fisher was an improvement over Bowden at the time he stepped in.
Largely true, Bowden and FSU had their great run back in "PRIMETIME" 1987-2000
1976–2009 Bobby Bowden 34 304–97–4^ .756 111–27^ .804 2010–2017 Jimbo Fisher 8 83–23 .783 48–16 .750 2017 Odell Haggins Interim 1–0 1.000 0–0 – 2018–future Willie Taggart 0 0–0 – 0–0 – Totals 11 coaches 71 seasons 538–250–17 .679 159–43 .787 ^ Bobby Bowden's record does not include 12 wins that were vacated that would otherwise make his record 316–97–4, including 6 conference wins that would otherwise make his conference record 117-27.
......Also don't underestimate Deion Sanders' contribution in turning the FSU and Bowden's success around!
Under head coach Bobby Bowden, Sanders was a two-time consensus All-American cornerback in 1987 and 1988, and a third team All-American in 1986, intercepting 14 passes in his career, including three in bowl games, and managed to return one interception 100 yards for a touchdown breaking Fred Biletnikoff's interception return record by one yard. He won the Jim Thorpe Award in 1988. He was also a standout punt returner for Florida State, leading the nation in 1988 with his punt return average, and breaking the school's record for career punt return yards. Sanders made an interception with 5 seconds left to seal Florida State's 13-7 win over Auburn in the 1989 Sugar Bowl, during the 1988 postseason. Based on those accolades, his jersey at Florida State, #2, was retired in 1995. He finished his career with 126 punt returns for 1,429 yards.[5] Bowden would later state that Sanders was his "measuring stick for athletic ability".[6]
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Well...that is what I said....he went to A&M for a lot more money. Then why are you arguing with me about it?
He didn't go to A&M for the money of his salary alone (see Axe's post).
When they say it was not for the money...it is always for the money.
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Well...that is what I said....he went to A&M for a lot more money. Then why are you arguing with me about it?
He didn't go to A&M for the money of his salary alone (see Axe's post).
OK, Bobby was 90 years old. So sure, he was going to slip. But his team finished in the Top 5 in 14 consecutive years. Fisher's teams finished in the Top 5 just once.
So....again.....where am I inaccurate when I say: He went for the money....and FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M..
Bowden didn't finish in the top 5 a single time in his last 10 years. 3 of his last 4 years he finished unranked.
FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M. Not disputing that. Already said that. Jimbo did not leave for his own personal salary though, and Fisher was an improvement over Bowden at the time he stepped in.
He didn't go to A&M for the money of his salary alone (see Axe's post).
Bowden didn't finish in the top 5 a single time in his last 10 years. 3 of his last 4 years he finished unranked.
FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M. Not disputing that. Already said that. Jimbo did not leave for his own personal salary though, and Fisher was an improvement over Bowden at the time he stepped in.
Yes...Bobby was over the hill....probably should have been gone long before that, so saying that Fisher was better than him is like saying he is better than a fossil.
And he left for the money. Congratulations...your alma mater has fuyucked up priorities.
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He didn't go to A&M for the money of his salary alone (see Axe's post).
Bowden didn't finish in the top 5 a single time in his last 10 years. 3 of his last 4 years he finished unranked.
FSU has historically been a much better program than A&M. Not disputing that. Already said that. Jimbo did not leave for his own personal salary though, and Fisher was an improvement over Bowden at the time he stepped in.
Yes...Bobby was over the hill....probably should have been gone long before that, so saying that Fisher was better than him is like saying he is better than a fossil.
And he left for the money. Congratulations...your alma mater has fuyucked up priorities.
Yes...Bobby was over the hill....probably should have been gone long before that, so saying that Fisher was better than him is like saying he is better than a fossil.
And he left for the money. Congratulations...your alma mater has fuyucked up priorities.
Jumbo in 8 seasons did have a better career winning percentage than Bobby Bo.
2010–2017 Jimbo Fisher 8 83–23 .783
And these top college coaches make an obscene amount of money now these moves are generally about other things like change of scenery, control, whatever. Even mid and lower coaches can make six or seven digit salaries.
It's only about the money in movies........... or court.
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Well...that is what I said....he went to A&M for a lot more money. Then why are you arguing with me about it?
He didn't go to A&M for the money of his salary alone (see Axe's post).
When they say it was not for the money...it is always for the money.
Well...that is what I said....he went to A&M for a lot more money. Then why are you arguing with me about it?
He didn't go to A&M for the money of his salary alone (see Axe's post).
When they say it was not for the money...it is always for the money.
Personal salary yes, but also money for assistants and facilities. FSU's AD even came out and blatantly said that they couldn't offer what A&M was offering either in salary or in resources.
Yes...Bobby was over the hill....probably should have been gone long before that, so saying that Fisher was better than him is like saying he is better than a fossil.
And he left for the money. Congratulations...your alma mater has fuyucked up priorities.
Ohio State pays Urban $6M a year. They've paid him more than we've paid our coach every single year he's been there. I could've said the same thing to you, but I'm not stupid, and I know Ohio State is a good school just like A&M.
You know who raves on and on about priorities and such? Michigan fans.
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I don't think either program is getting a gold star for good behavior any time soon...
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A&M has pretty good behavior. They kick players off the team for stupid crap. Kid that got arrested last night is already off the team. A&M fans are like Michigan's. Hoping Jimbo will change that.
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