Houston - our 2nd first round pick
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Fair enough
Hooker coming off of IR in his 2nd year
Or
Peppers in his 2nd year (at SS) and rookie Fitzpatrick/James,
You mean the Colts don't have a pick in next year's first round?
You mean the Colts don't have a pick in next year's first round?
To make his boy Peppers look good, woody has put Hooker on the IR again next year AND has not allowed a player to be drafted to pair with Hooker, apparently.
I love this board after a Browns loss. Shenanigans!
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Wow.... crazy. I need to look up who they picked.....
"The season is notable for the Redskins drafting future Pro Bowlers Lavar Arrington and Chris Samuels with the second and third overall picks respectively in the first round of the 2000 NFL Draft."
So there's hope after all..............
"The season is notable for the Redskins drafting future Pro Bowlers Lavar Arrington and Chris Samuels with the second and third overall picks respectively in the first round of the 2000 NFL Draft."
So there's hope after all..............
In 1992 Indianapolis had #1 AND #2.
Can only pray it turns out better for us than it did for them.
1 1 1 Steve Emtman Defensive end Washington 1 2 2 Quentin Coryatt Linebacker Texas A&M Dammit, just when I thought there was hope......
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To make his boy Peppers look good, woody has put Hooker on the IR again next year AND has not allowed a player to be drafted to pair with Hooker, apparently.
I love this board after a Browns loss. Shenanigans!
Sigh... This is real basic Sheet guys. I'm not sure why you aren't following.
You wouldn't pair another pick with Hooker. That's not how the comparison would work. This has been done plenty of times in the past.
The high pick you could have made
Or
The trade down pick plus the direct, additional assets you got from that trade down
Understand?
(Unless you're intentionally being ignorant to troll. Definite possibility)
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
To make his boy Peppers look good, woody has put Hooker on the IR again next year AND has not allowed a player to be drafted to pair with Hooker, apparently.
I love this board after a Browns loss. Shenanigans!
Sigh... This is real basic Sheet guys. I'm not sure why you aren't following.
You wouldn't pair another pick with Hooker. That's not how the comparison would work. This has been done plenty of times in the past.
The high pick you could have made
Or
The trade down pick plus the direct, additional assets you got from that trade down
Understand?
(Unless you're intentionally being ignorant to troll. Definite possibility)
Sigh... This is real basic Sheet guys. I'm not sure why you aren't following.
You wouldn't pair another pick with Hooker. That's not how the comparison would work. This has been done plenty of times in the past.
The high pick you could have made
Or
The trade down pick plus the direct, additional assets you got from that trade down
Understand?
(Unless you're intentionally being ignorant to troll. Definite possibility)
Oh yes, I forgot that Peppers was the result of moving down and picking up the 1st this season.
To be honest, I don't know what I would do in that hypothetical. I do know that I didn't want anything to do with drafting Peppers, I thought he was possibly the most overrated player entering the '16 Draft. Not because he played at TTUN, but because he struck me as a tweener, a "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" type guy. He has done absolutely nothing to change my mind about this in his rookie season - but with the qualifier that he's been miscast as a free safety stationed in the next county.
Hooker scared me a bit too, he only started for one season at Ohio State, and his injury background was a little off-putting.
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Well, having 0 Free Safeties on our roster is getting on my nerves. We need to play Peppers out of position each week because he is still our best option there. He has improved as the season has gone on, no doubt, but I'm not sure what the super deep safety position has much of an upside.
Draft a guy that has played the pure ball hawk / centerfielder role to take this Safety Spot and let Peppers get in the box where he can use his skillset.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Well, having 0 Free Safeties on our roster is getting on my nerves. We need to play Peppers out of position each week because he is still our best option there. He has improved as the season has gone on, no doubt, but I'm not sure what the super deep safety position has much of an upside.
Draft a guy that has played the pure ball hawk / centerfielder role to take this Safety Spot and let Peppers get in the box where he can use his skillset.
Well, having 0 Free Safeties on our roster is getting on my nerves. We need to play Peppers out of position each week because he is still our best option there. He has improved as the season has gone on, no doubt, but I'm not sure what the super deep safety position has much of an upside.
Draft a guy that has played the pure ball hawk / centerfielder role to take this Safety Spot and let Peppers get in the box where he can use his skillset.
lmao.....his 'skillset' isn't useful at all in the nfl. you're trying to mold this perfect safety position for your boy, but that's not how the nfl works period. Don't get hung up on fs/ss nomenclature......peppers is not a suitable nfl safety period. You want safeties now with ball skills/corner skills.
the problem with peppers all season hasn't mostly been that he is 'out of position'. the problem is that he doesn't have nfl skills to match up with any nfl position.
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Well, having 0 Free Safeties on our roster is getting on my nerves. We need to play Peppers out of position each week because he is still our best option there. He has improved as the season has gone on, no doubt, but I'm not sure what the super deep safety position has much of an upside.
Draft a guy that has played the pure ball hawk / centerfielder role to take this Safety Spot and let Peppers get in the box where he can use his skillset.
lmao.....his 'skillset' isn't useful at all in the nfl. you're trying to mold this perfect safety position for your boy, but that's not how the nfl works period. Don't get hung up on fs/ss nomenclature......peppers is not a suitable nfl safety period. You want safeties now with ball skills/corner skills.
the problem with peppers all season hasn't mostly been that he is 'out of position'. the problem is that he doesn't have nfl skills to match up with any nfl position.
lmao.....his 'skillset' isn't useful at all in the nfl. you're trying to mold this perfect safety position for your boy, but that's not how the nfl works period. Don't get hung up on fs/ss nomenclature......peppers is not a suitable nfl safety period. You want safeties now with ball skills/corner skills.
the problem with peppers all season hasn't mostly been that he is 'out of position'. the problem is that he doesn't have nfl skills to match up with any nfl position.
Idk if you watch any of our games... but there is very much a difference between our deep safety and our in the box safety. Peppers is clearly better at the latter, but we are playing him at the former.
I'm not trying to mold any kind of perfect safety position. I'm just asking for him to be played in position. But we can't, or we don't, because he is still our best option at the super deep safety role.
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lmao.....his 'skillset' isn't useful at all in the nfl. you're trying to mold this perfect safety position for your boy, but that's not how the nfl works period. Don't get hung up on fs/ss nomenclature......peppers is not a suitable nfl safety period. You want safeties now with ball skills/corner skills.
the problem with peppers all season hasn't mostly been that he is 'out of position'. the problem is that he doesn't have nfl skills to match up with any nfl position.
Idk if you watch any of our games... but there is very much a difference between our deep safety and our in the box safety. Peppers is clearly better at the latter, but we are playing him at the former.
I'm not trying to mold any kind of perfect safety position. I'm just asking for him to be played in position. But we can't, or we don't, because he is still our best option at the super deep safety role.
Idk if you watch any of our games... but there is very much a difference between our deep safety and our in the box safety. Peppers is clearly better at the latter, but we are playing him at the former.
I'm not trying to mold any kind of perfect safety position. I'm just asking for him to be played in position. But we can't, or we don't, because he is still our best option at the super deep safety role.
ive watched every second of every browns game. peppers doesn't belong on the field period. He's only there because he was a (terrible) first round pick and the rest of the roster is so lacking.
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He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
To make his boy Peppers look good, woody has put Hooker on the IR again next year AND has not allowed a player to be drafted to pair with Hooker, apparently.
I love this board after a Browns loss. Shenanigans!
Sigh... This is real basic Sheet guys. I'm not sure why you aren't following.
You wouldn't pair another pick with Hooker. That's not how the comparison would work. This has been done plenty of times in the past.
The high pick you could have made
Or
The trade down pick plus the direct, additional assets you got from that trade down
Understand?
(Unless you're intentionally being ignorant to troll. Definite possibility)
Sigh... This is real basic Sheet guys. I'm not sure why you aren't following.
You wouldn't pair another pick with Hooker. That's not how the comparison would work. This has been done plenty of times in the past.
The high pick you could have made
Or
The trade down pick plus the direct, additional assets you got from that trade down
Understand?
(Unless you're intentionally being ignorant to troll. Definite possibility)
Then you realize that a fair comparison would be between Watson and Peppers+our Texans' first round pick in 2018, don't you?
Because that was the actual exchange.
I am optimist about Peppers, because he has played in a new position and he has been improving throughout all the season, though I'd say he hasn't been stellar -- yet?
I don't know if it would be really positive to make him play SS again now that finally seems to get used to his new position. Having a FS/Centerfield as fast and as good tackler as Peppers is really something that I'd consider investing into, because if he learns to play the position and improves reading the QB and his coverage skills, he could be a great 'big play shut down' safety.
I think Williams wants to have some kind of Earl Thomas in Peppers. Let's hope it works.
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You could do it with Watson too. I chose Hooker because that's one guy half the board has been clamouring for
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This is now pick #6
Not impossible the Browns get the first two picks in the draft, Houston are in Jacksonville next week
Man, I have to wonder what the 'record' is for the 2 highest picks for one team?
Man, I have to wonder what the 'record' is for the 2 highest picks for one team?
On two occasion the same team had both the #1 and #2 pick in the draft:
1958 the Chicago Cardinals selected King Hill QB #1 and John David Crow RB #2
In 1992 the Indianapolis Colts selected Steve Emptman DL #1 and Quentin Coryatt #2.
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Well, having 0 Free Safeties on our roster is getting on my nerves. We need to play Peppers out of position each week because he is still our best option there. He has improved as the season has gone on, no doubt, but I'm not sure what the super deep safety position has much of an upside.
Draft a guy that has played the pure ball hawk / centerfielder role to take this Safety Spot and let Peppers get in the box where he can use his skillset.
Well, having 0 Free Safeties on our roster is getting on my nerves. We need to play Peppers out of position each week because he is still our best option there. He has improved as the season has gone on, no doubt, but I'm not sure what the super deep safety position has much of an upside.
Draft a guy that has played the pure ball hawk / centerfielder role to take this Safety Spot and let Peppers get in the box where he can use his skillset.
What hurt the most was this previous draft was probably the best one for safeties anybody has seen in forever. Yet we didn't draft one.
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Sigh... This is real basic Sheet guys. I'm not sure why you aren't following.
You wouldn't pair another pick with Hooker. That's not how the comparison would work. This has been done plenty of times in the past.
The high pick you could have made
Or
The trade down pick plus the direct, additional assets you got from that trade down
Understand?
(Unless you're intentionally being ignorant to troll. Definite possibility)
Then you realize that a fair comparison would be between Watson and Peppers+our Texans' first round pick in 2018, don't you?
Because that was the actual exchange.
I am optimist about Peppers, because he has played in a new position and he has been improving throughout all the season, though I'd say he hasn't been stellar -- yet?
I don't know if it would be really positive to make him play SS again now that finally seems to get used to his new position. Having a FS/Centerfield as fast and as good tackler as Peppers is really something that I'd consider investing into, because if he learns to play the position and improves reading the QB and his coverage skills, he could be a great 'big play shut down' safety.
I think Williams wants to have some kind of Earl Thomas in Peppers. Let's hope it works.
Then you realize that a fair comparison would be between Watson and Peppers+our Texans' first round pick in 2018, don't you?
Because that was the actual exchange.
I am optimist about Peppers, because he has played in a new position and he has been improving throughout all the season, though I'd say he hasn't been stellar -- yet?
I don't know if it would be really positive to make him play SS again now that finally seems to get used to his new position. Having a FS/Centerfield as fast and as good tackler as Peppers is really something that I'd consider investing into, because if he learns to play the position and improves reading the QB and his coverage skills, he could be a great 'big play shut down' safety.
I think Williams wants to have some kind of Earl Thomas in Peppers. Let's hope it works.
I WANT to be positive, but I just haven't been given much hope, ya know? I don't think Peppers has any meaningful stats. A few tackles, some missed tackles, and possibly one pass defensed? Maybe in wrong, but I don't remember him having too much in the stat world. No game changing moments (although he got screwed one time by ref), no special teams moments (just a fumble), and no picks. I'm not sure WHAT he can do.
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Then you realize that a fair comparison would be between Watson and Peppers+our Texans' first round pick in 2018, don't you?
Because that was the actual exchange.
I am optimist about Peppers, because he has played in a new position and he has been improving throughout all the season, though I'd say he hasn't been stellar -- yet?
I don't know if it would be really positive to make him play SS again now that finally seems to get used to his new position. Having a FS/Centerfield as fast and as good tackler as Peppers is really something that I'd consider investing into, because if he learns to play the position and improves reading the QB and his coverage skills, he could be a great 'big play shut down' safety.
I think Williams wants to have some kind of Earl Thomas in Peppers. Let's hope it works.
I WANT to be positive, but I just haven't been given much hope, ya know? I don't think Peppers has any meaningful stats. A few tackles, some missed tackles, and possibly one pass defensed? Maybe in wrong, but I don't remember him having too much in the stat world. No game changing moments (although he got screwed one time by ref), no special teams moments (just a fumble), and no picks. I'm not sure WHAT he can do.
I WANT to be positive, but I just haven't been given much hope, ya know? I don't think Peppers has any meaningful stats. A few tackles, some missed tackles, and possibly one pass defensed? Maybe in wrong, but I don't remember him having too much in the stat world. No game changing moments (although he got screwed one time by ref), no special teams moments (just a fumble), and no picks. I'm not sure WHAT he can do.
Looking at his raw skills, he's fast and a good tackler. That's what his college tape showed, at least to me.
So for me the main question is about his position. In the pros you can't just play SS in the box the whole time, you have to learn covering if you want to make a NFL team. And a safeties covering skills aren't the same as a CB's so let's hope he gets it and we find a way to make him contribute.
Adapting to playing as a safety in the NFL is not as easy as in other positions, some veteran cornerbacks never develop into good safeties when they get old for their original position.
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Wasn't Peppers a LB/Rover at UM?
All the "natural position" debate I've read here seems to ignore this.
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He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.
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He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.
He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.
No one has said he's amazing. Plenty have said he doesn't belong on the field, is terrible, should be cut, etc. Apparently if I ever respond to those comments and explain why they're wrong I'm on his nuts. Nothing new
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Wasn't Peppers a LB/Rover at UM?
All the "natural position" debate I've read here seems to ignore this.
Wasn't Peppers a LB/Rover at UM?
All the "natural position" debate I've read here seems to ignore this.
We call it a Viper. It's a hybrid LB / Safety. Blows up screens, blitzes, contains outside runs, etc. All of which is taken into account.
Now, if a DC makes this position in his scheme, that would be his fit. In most schemes, that is most similar to an in the box safety / SS IMO. What do you think it's closest to?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.
No one has said he's amazing. Plenty have said he doesn't belong on the field, is terrible, should be cut, etc. Apparently if I ever respond to those comments and explain why they're wrong I'm on his nuts. Nothing new
No one has said he's amazing. Plenty have said he doesn't belong on the field, is terrible, should be cut, etc. Apparently if I ever respond to those comments and explain why they're wrong I'm on his nuts. Nothing new
I never said you said he's amazing. You just put the guy on a pedestal. I was saying he Isn't amazing. You're on his nuts because any slight criticism of anything he does you go ballistic.
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