Isn't it Ironic
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Just find it ironic that the Browns fans are giving up on the most talented quarterback they've had since Tim Couch after only 13 games. Yet we had to suffer through multiple seasons of Colt McCoy Johnny Manziel Brandon Weeden Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn. And Kiser's way more talented than all of them, less drama, and harder worker.
Just find it ironic that the Browns fans are giving up on the most talented quarterback they've had since Tim Couch after only 13 games. Yet we had to suffer through multiple seasons of Colt McCoy Johnny Manziel Brandon Weeden Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn. And Kiser's way more talented than all of them, less drama, and harder worker.
All I can do is sit here, read, and agree with every word you type. I've been preaching this for so long. I guess that makes two of us arguing for Kizer, he's a rookie and needs time. I can promise you he will learn a ton next year. Heck, Roethlisberger didn't start for the Steelers his 1st year. We know he's not Ben, but he might end up being not far off.
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Just find it ironic that the Browns fans are giving up on the most talented quarterback they've had since Tim Couch after only 13 games. Yet we had to suffer through multiple seasons of Colt McCoy Johnny Manziel Brandon Weeden Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn. And Kiser's way more talented than all of them, less drama, and harder worker.
All I can do is sit here, read, and agree with every word you type. I've been preaching this for so long. I guess that makes two of us arguing for Kizer, he's a rookie and needs time. I can promise you he will learn a ton next year. Heck, Roethlisberger didn't start for the Steelers his 1st year. We know he's not Ben, but he might end up being not far off.
All I can do is sit here, read, and agree with every word you type. I've been preaching this for so long. I guess that makes two of us arguing for Kizer, he's a rookie and needs time. I can promise you he will learn a ton next year. Heck, Roethlisberger didn't start for the Steelers his 1st year. We know he's not Ben, but he might end up being not far off.
Ah...yes, BR did start his first year. He went 13-0 as a starter.
Kizer, ergo, apparently going to be the anti-Roethlisberger. He will go 0 and whatever by the time the season is done.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm
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To carry out an Alannis Morrisette tune: Isn't it Ironic.....that the QBs that so many were upset over the Browns passing on are now both on IR...and done for the season:
DeShaun Watson.....aufed.
Carson Wentz....aufed.
Expectations that they will recover and be good? Probably....unless Watson turns into RGIV and Wentz becomes a flash in the pan.
Nevertheless....I still think this team would be ahead if they had followed my suggestion: take Joey Bosa at #2 last year...and Trubisky this year.
To carry out an Alannis Morrisette tune: Isn't it Ironic.....that the QBs that so many were upset over the Browns passing on are now both on IR...and done for the season:
DeShaun Watson.....aufed.
Carson Wentz....aufed.
Expectations that they will recover and be good? Probably....unless Watson turns into RGIV and Wentz becomes a flash in the pan.
Nevertheless....I still think this team would be ahead if they had followed my suggestion: take Joey Bosa at #2 last year...and Trubisky this year.
Trubisky OK but no Wentz. Do u think if the Browns had drafted a QB he would have remained healthy? LOL! This is like the Tim Couch era but worse. Dorsey needs to further solidify the OL this off season and draft an OL in the first two rounds in 2018. Need to make an attempt to protect the new QB, Rosen from UCLA.
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All I can do is sit here, read, and agree with every word you type. I've been preaching this for so long. I guess that makes two of us arguing for Kizer, he's a rookie and needs time. I can promise you he will learn a ton next year. Heck, Roethlisberger didn't start for the Steelers his 1st year. We know he's not Ben, but he might end up being not far off.
Ah...yes, BR did start his first year. He went 13-0 as a starter.
Kizer, ergo, apparently going to be the anti-Roethlisberger. He will go 0 and whatever by the time the season is done.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm
Ah...yes, BR did start his first year. He went 13-0 as a starter.
Kizer, ergo, apparently going to be the anti-Roethlisberger. He will go 0 and whatever by the time the season is done.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm
Kizer is a loser. Yes, he is athletic, but has no feel at all for the game. None. No touch on the ball either. Draft a real QB like Rosen or Darnold or grab one via trade or FA. Horrible miss by the Browns not to get Garrapolo. Just plain stupid.
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To carry out an Alannis Morrisette tune: Isn't it Ironic.....that the QBs that so many were upset over the Browns passing on are now both on IR...and done for the season:
DeShaun Watson.....aufed.
Carson Wentz....aufed.
Expectations that they will recover and be good? Probably....unless Watson turns into RGIV and Wentz becomes a flash in the pan.
Nevertheless....I still think this team would be ahead if they had followed my suggestion: take Joey Bosa at #2 last year...and Trubisky this year.
Trubisky OK but no Wentz. Do u think if the Browns had drafted a QB he would have remained healthy? LOL! This is like the Tim Couch era but worse. Dorsey needs to further solidify the OL this off season and draft an OL in the first two rounds in 2018. Need to make an attempt to protect the new QB, Rosen from UCLA.
Trubisky OK but no Wentz. Do u think if the Browns had drafted a QB he would have remained healthy? LOL! This is like the Tim Couch era but worse. Dorsey needs to further solidify the OL this off season and draft an OL in the first two rounds in 2018. Need to make an attempt to protect the new QB, Rosen from UCLA.
So....whomever decided to give you your avatar sent in in response to it?
The OL is the furthest thing from the major issue on this team.
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He also has 150 more pass attempts. And 4 less games. Take Kiser's 1st 4 games outta the equation. let's be real. No way in hell Kiser should have started.
But yea seeing how Kiser has only been sacked 6 more times than Trub. (Kiser 7 sacks in 1st game alone) I'd say he is easily holding on to the ball way to long. (Like every rookie ever) same amount of fumbles (bears recovered 2 more tho).
Like I said you look at the two guys from when Trubisky took over and their stats are very very similar. And Kiser is asked to carry much much more load than Trubisky is.
I think the Browns do have a much better OL than the Bears...that is part of it.
And just how is Kizer asked to carry a bigger load? Browns RBs are better than Bears, their receivers are no better...at all. And like I said...the Browns have a better OL.
So...just how is Kizer asked to do more....(other than the fact that he plays for Hue....who constantly puts him a bad position due to his play calling)?
I think the Browns do have a much better OL than the Bears...that is part of it.
And just how is Kizer asked to carry a bigger load? Browns RBs are better than Bears, their receivers are no better...at all. And like I said...the Browns have a better OL.
So...just how is Kizer asked to do more....(other than the fact that he plays for Hue....who constantly puts him a bad position due to his play calling)?
Say what????!!! Browns Crowell a better RB than Howard of the Bears? No, no, no!!!!
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I think the Browns do have a much better OL than the Bears...that is part of it.
And just how is Kizer asked to carry a bigger load? Browns RBs are better than Bears, their receivers are no better...at all. And like I said...the Browns have a better OL.
So...just how is Kizer asked to do more....(other than the fact that he plays for Hue....who constantly puts him a bad position due to his play calling)?
Say what????!!! Browns Crowell a better RB than Howard of the Bears? No, no, no!!!!
Say what????!!! Browns Crowell a better RB than Howard of the Bears? No, no, no!!!!
No worse. It ain't like you got the second coming of Walter Payton or Gale Sayers playing there.
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Trubisky OK but no Wentz. Do u think if the Browns had drafted a QB he would have remained healthy? LOL! This is like the Tim Couch era but worse. Dorsey needs to further solidify the OL this off season and draft an OL in the first two rounds in 2018. Need to make an attempt to protect the new QB, Rosen from UCLA.
So....whomever decided to give you your avatar sent in in response to it?
The OL is the furthest thing from the major issue on this team.
So....whomever decided to give you your avatar sent in in response to it?
The OL is the furthest thing from the major issue on this team.
Disagree, Browns have a lot of work to do on the OL. RT is a joke, LG has regressed. And Thomas is old and now showing he can be injured and on IR. Draft OL in rounds 1 or 2 and another another in FA.
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Say what????!!! Browns Crowell a better RB than Howard of the Bears? No, no, no!!!!
No worse. It ain't like you got the second coming of Walter Payton or Gale Sayers playing there.
No worse. It ain't like you got the second coming of Walter Payton or Gale Sayers playing there.
No offense, but Howard is one of the best 5 RBs in the NL. Crowell closer to the middle, maybe around 10-11th best plus he has an attitude problem in my book . I think most experts would agree.
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Trubisky OK but no Wentz. Do u think if the Browns had drafted a QB he would have remained healthy? LOL! This is like the Tim Couch era but worse. Dorsey needs to further solidify the OL this off season and draft an OL in the first two rounds in 2018. Need to make an attempt to protect the new QB, Rosen from UCLA.
So....whomever decided to give you your avatar sent in in response to it?
The OL is the furthest thing from the major issue on this team.
So....whomever decided to give you your avatar sent in in response to it?
The OL is the furthest thing from the major issue on this team.
You sound like S. Brown. But not like Dorsey. You watch ..
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Ah...yes, BR did start his first year. He went 13-0 as a starter.
Kizer, ergo, apparently going to be the anti-Roethlisberger. He will go 0 and whatever by the time the season is done.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm
Kizer is a loser. Yes, he is athletic, but has no feel at all for the game. None. No touch on the ball either. Draft a real QB like Rosen or Darnold or grab one via trade or FA. Horrible miss by the Browns not to get Garrapolo. Just plain stupid.
Kizer is a loser. Yes, he is athletic, but has no feel at all for the game. None. No touch on the ball either. Draft a real QB like Rosen or Darnold or grab one via trade or FA. Horrible miss by the Browns not to get Garrapolo. Just plain stupid.
I would've liked to get Jimmy G too, but I don't think the Browns were a consideration since we didn't have Brian Hoyer to give to the Pats.
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He also has 150 more pass attempts. And 4 less games. Take Kiser's 1st 4 games outta the equation. let's be real. No way in hell Kiser should have started.
But yea seeing how Kiser has only been sacked 6 more times than Trub. (Kiser 7 sacks in 1st game alone) I'd say he is easily holding on to the ball way to long. (Like every rookie ever) same amount of fumbles (bears recovered 2 more tho).
Like I said you look at the two guys from when Trubisky took over and their stats are very very similar. And Kiser is asked to carry much much more load than Trubisky is.
I think the Browns do have a much better OL than the Bears...that is part of it.
And just how is Kizer asked to carry a bigger load? Browns RBs are better than Bears, their receivers are no better...at all. And like I said...the Browns have a better OL.
So...just how is Kizer asked to do more....(other than the fact that he plays for Hue....who constantly puts him a bad position due to his play calling)?
I think the Browns do have a much better OL than the Bears...that is part of it.
And just how is Kizer asked to carry a bigger load? Browns RBs are better than Bears, their receivers are no better...at all. And like I said...the Browns have a better OL.
So...just how is Kizer asked to do more....(other than the fact that he plays for Hue....who constantly puts him a bad position due to his play calling)?
Compare the pass attempts per game between the two of them. John fox did not a way better job of taking pressure off the rookie by relying on his running game. Clueless Jackson had us running it 10-15 a game total while throwing it almost every play.
He did Kizer no favors at all
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Kizer can not play under duress , Mike Mayock said this very thing after he was drafted and Kizer is proving him to be 100% spot on.
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Kizer can not play under duress , Mike Mayock said this very thing after he was drafted and Kizer is proving him to be 100% spot on.
Kizer can not play under duress , Mike Mayock said this very thing after he was drafted and Kizer is proving him to be 100% spot on.
Mayock is pretty damn good at his analysis as a draft guy as well. But that is also something that can be learned I would think. He should never have been starting this year but he's the best of the guys we have and besides that, he has, by far, the highest ceiling of the 3 we have. So he got thrust into a shitty situation and he's worked hard and gotten better.
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Kizer can not play under duress , Mike Mayock said this very thing after he was drafted and Kizer is proving him to be 100% spot on.
Kizer can not play under duress , Mike Mayock said this very thing after he was drafted and Kizer is proving him to be 100% spot on.
BINGO! Kizer is an African-American Brandon Weeden with more foot speed.
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Kizer can not play under duress , Mike Mayock said this very thing after he was drafted and Kizer is proving him to be 100% spot on.
Mayock is pretty damn good at his analysis as a draft guy as well. But that is also something that can be learned I would think. He should never have been starting this year but he's the best of the guys we have and besides that, he has, by far, the highest ceiling of the 3 we have. So he got thrust into a shitty situation and he's worked hard and gotten better.
Mayock is pretty damn good at his analysis as a draft guy as well. But that is also something that can be learned I would think. He should never have been starting this year but he's the best of the guys we have and besides that, he has, by far, the highest ceiling of the 3 we have. So he got thrust into a shitty situation and he's worked hard and gotten better.
What's disturbing you see the same characteristics about Kizer in the pros as at Notre Dame. No feel for the game at all. He'll never have touch on the ball for any kind of passes.
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Say what????!!! Browns Crowell a better RB than Howard of the Bears? No, no, no!!!!
No worse. It ain't like you got the second coming of Walter Payton or Gale Sayers playing there.
No worse. It ain't like you got the second coming of Walter Payton or Gale Sayers playing there.
Wow. Howard much better than Crowell. Would love to see a poll taken of NFL GMs and sportswriters on that.
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Mayock is pretty damn good at his analysis as a draft guy as well. But that is also something that can be learned I would think. He should never have been starting this year but he's the best of the guys we have and besides that, he has, by far, the highest ceiling of the 3 we have. So he got thrust into a shitty situation and he's worked hard and gotten better.
What's disturbing you see the same characteristics about Kizer in the pros as at Notre Dame. No feel for the game at all. He'll never have touch on the ball for any kind of passes.
What's disturbing you see the same characteristics about Kizer in the pros as at Notre Dame. No feel for the game at all. He'll never have touch on the ball for any kind of passes.
Never have touch on any of his passes? That's total bullshit because he has thrown some very nice passes with touch just this past weekend and the weekend before. The one that he clearly can't throw is any kind of fade or back corner of the end zone pass, but I'd also think that can be learned with hard work in the offseason. His touch has improved as the season has gone on.
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Maybe Sashi knew all along and it was a part of "the process".
We may never know
Maybe Sashi knew all along and it was a part of "the process".
We may never know
Ah "the process". Since I'm a Lord of the Rings geek- Sashi and the guys had one of the palantirs (for you non-fans) a functional crystal ball that could see into the future.
Just find it ironic that the Browns fans are giving up on the most talented quarterback they've had since Tim Couch after only 13 games. Yet we had to suffer through multiple seasons of Colt McCoy Johnny Manziel Brandon Weeden Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn. And Kiser's way more talented than all of them, less drama, and harder worker.
Kizer redeemed himself (slightly) to my mind in the Packers game. He's earned his 2018 roster spot with that performance. But- as Mark pointed out (and I 100% concur) Deshone can't throw an accurate end zone corner fade to save his life. Just because he's improved doesn't mean we're not drafting another QB high next year. Probably bring in a vet too. Kessler and Hogan are as good as gone.
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Maybe Sashi knew all along and it was a part of "the process".
We may never know
Ah "the process". Since I'm a Lord of the Rings geek- Sashi and the guys had one of the palantirs (for you non-fans) a functional crystal ball that could see into the future.
Just find it ironic that the Browns fans are giving up on the most talented quarterback they've had since Tim Couch after only 13 games. Yet we had to suffer through multiple seasons of Colt McCoy Johnny Manziel Brandon Weeden Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn. And Kiser's way more talented than all of them, less drama, and harder worker.
Kizer redeemed himself (slightly) to my mind in the Packers game. He's earned his 2018 roster spot with that performance. But- as Mark pointed out (and I 100% concur) Deshone can't throw an accurate end zone corner fade to save his life. Just because he's improved doesn't mean we're not drafting another QB high next year. Probably bring in a vet too. Kessler and Hogan are as good as gone.
Ah "the process". Since I'm a Lord of the Rings geek- Sashi and the guys had one of the palantirs (for you non-fans) a functional crystal ball that could see into the future.
Kizer redeemed himself (slightly) to my mind in the Packers game. He's earned his 2018 roster spot with that performance. But- as Mark pointed out (and I 100% concur) Deshone can't throw an accurate end zone corner fade to save his life. Just because he's improved doesn't mean we're not drafting another QB high next year. Probably bring in a vet too. Kessler and Hogan are as good as gone.
That's how I see it. Draft a QB at #1 and quite possibly bring in a vet. Hogan and Kessler can hit the streets (take PoG with you while you're leaving) and we will hopefully see Vet as the QB1 on opening day and Kizer as the backup and the rookie sitting and watching and hopefuly that works all season. At some point, you'd switch the whole order and go with the rookie to start but hopefully not till like December.
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