Houston - our 2nd first round pick
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Then you realize that a fair comparison would be between Watson and Peppers+our Texans' first round pick in 2018, don't you?
Because that was the actual exchange.
I am optimist about Peppers, because he has played in a new position and he has been improving throughout all the season, though I'd say he hasn't been stellar -- yet?
I don't know if it would be really positive to make him play SS again now that finally seems to get used to his new position. Having a FS/Centerfield as fast and as good tackler as Peppers is really something that I'd consider investing into, because if he learns to play the position and improves reading the QB and his coverage skills, he could be a great 'big play shut down' safety.
I think Williams wants to have some kind of Earl Thomas in Peppers. Let's hope it works.
I WANT to be positive, but I just haven't been given much hope, ya know? I don't think Peppers has any meaningful stats. A few tackles, some missed tackles, and possibly one pass defensed? Maybe in wrong, but I don't remember him having too much in the stat world. No game changing moments (although he got screwed one time by ref), no special teams moments (just a fumble), and no picks. I'm not sure WHAT he can do.
I WANT to be positive, but I just haven't been given much hope, ya know? I don't think Peppers has any meaningful stats. A few tackles, some missed tackles, and possibly one pass defensed? Maybe in wrong, but I don't remember him having too much in the stat world. No game changing moments (although he got screwed one time by ref), no special teams moments (just a fumble), and no picks. I'm not sure WHAT he can do.
Looking at his raw skills, he's fast and a good tackler. That's what his college tape showed, at least to me.
So for me the main question is about his position. In the pros you can't just play SS in the box the whole time, you have to learn covering if you want to make a NFL team. And a safeties covering skills aren't the same as a CB's so let's hope he gets it and we find a way to make him contribute.
Adapting to playing as a safety in the NFL is not as easy as in other positions, some veteran cornerbacks never develop into good safeties when they get old for their original position.
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Wasn't Peppers a LB/Rover at UM?
All the "natural position" debate I've read here seems to ignore this.
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He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.
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He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.
He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.
No one has said he's amazing. Plenty have said he doesn't belong on the field, is terrible, should be cut, etc. Apparently if I ever respond to those comments and explain why they're wrong I'm on his nuts. Nothing new
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Wasn't Peppers a LB/Rover at UM?
All the "natural position" debate I've read here seems to ignore this.
Wasn't Peppers a LB/Rover at UM?
All the "natural position" debate I've read here seems to ignore this.
We call it a Viper. It's a hybrid LB / Safety. Blows up screens, blitzes, contains outside runs, etc. All of which is taken into account.
Now, if a DC makes this position in his scheme, that would be his fit. In most schemes, that is most similar to an in the box safety / SS IMO. What do you think it's closest to?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.
No one has said he's amazing. Plenty have said he doesn't belong on the field, is terrible, should be cut, etc. Apparently if I ever respond to those comments and explain why they're wrong I'm on his nuts. Nothing new
No one has said he's amazing. Plenty have said he doesn't belong on the field, is terrible, should be cut, etc. Apparently if I ever respond to those comments and explain why they're wrong I'm on his nuts. Nothing new
I never said you said he's amazing. You just put the guy on a pedestal. I was saying he Isn't amazing. You're on his nuts because any slight criticism of anything he does you go ballistic.
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No one has said he's amazing. Plenty have said he doesn't belong on the field, is terrible, should be cut, etc. Apparently if I ever respond to those comments and explain why they're wrong I'm on his nuts. Nothing new
I never said you said he's amazing. You just put the guy on a pedestal. I was saying he Isn't amazing. You're on his nuts because any slight criticism of anything he does you go ballistic.
I never said you said he's amazing. You just put the guy on a pedestal. I was saying he Isn't amazing. You're on his nuts because any slight criticism of anything he does you go ballistic.
I never said you said I said he was amazing.... Lol
I don't think posting a response equals going ballistic. But like I've said, I don't expect every response to be sensible on this subject. I'm also not responding to every slight criticism or worse, I'd be here forever. I respond to some, and generally those that seem the most ridiculous (ex, doesn't belong on the field).
But again, this has been the same song and dance for months.
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He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.
He does belong on the field. He’s not as bad as people say he is, but he’s not amazing either. That being said he’s young and I hope he works out, but don’t be on his nuts so much man. He’s being played out of position and we get that. I’m not bitchin about the pick anymore.
Draft Peppers, a guy with no position, another terrible mistake by the Harvard genius. The one consistency with Browns GMs is they are always think they know more than the other guy and are one step ahead. In the end, they are left holding something in their hand and it';s not a golden draft pick who succeeds..
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Wasn't Peppers a LB/Rover at UM?
All the "natural position" debate I've read here seems to ignore this.
Wasn't Peppers a LB/Rover at UM?
All the "natural position" debate I've read here seems to ignore this.
He was a player that played closer to the LOS. Of course, US, in our finite wisdom, play him out on the warning track.
.....saw my cousin, a Browns fan, at the family Christmas party Saturday night. We had some good laughs about where Peppers is played. "We're so good that we spot offenses a player."
"He should be allowed to have his phone out there. He'd get some GREAT pictures." - He and I don't see much of each other any more. - Too bad.
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What I love about this Texan pick is there are numerous players at a need position that could very well fall into our laps...
LT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
CB/S Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State
WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
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What I love about this Texan pick is there are numerous players at a need position that could very well fall into our laps...
LT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
CB/S Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State
WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
What I love about this Texan pick is there are numerous players at a need position that could very well fall into our laps...
LT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
CB/S Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State
WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
I think the pick is too high to get either Barkley or Ridley, and I don't want to hear Ghoolie if we draft a "fat butt" in first round. Even if you draft a future HOF LT he will be ranting about it.
Some people also mentioned Derwin James.
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What I love about this Texan pick is there are numerous players at a need position that could very well fall into our laps...
LT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
CB/S Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State
WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
What I love about this Texan pick is there are numerous players at a need position that could very well fall into our laps...
LT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
CB/S Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State
WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
FS Derwin James
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What I love about this Texan pick is there are numerous players at a need position that could very well fall into our laps...
LT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
CB/S Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State
WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
I think the pick is too high to get either Barkley or Ridley, and I don't want to hear Ghoolie if we draft a "fat butt" in first round. Even if you draft a future HOF LT he will be ranting about it.
Some people also mentioned Derwin James.
I think the pick is too high to get either Barkley or Ridley, and I don't want to hear Ghoolie if we draft a "fat butt" in first round. Even if you draft a future HOF LT he will be ranting about it.
Some people also mentioned Derwin James.
I can't stress how much I do not give a flying Shmuck what Ghoolie thinks or says.
I'm going to have to do a little more research on James.
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What I love about this Texan pick is there are numerous players at a need position that could very well fall into our laps...
LT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
CB/S Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State
WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama
I think the pick is too high to get either Barkley or Ridley, and I don't want to hear Ghoolie if we draft a "fat butt" in first round. Even if you draft a future HOF LT he will be ranting about it.
Some people also mentioned Derwin James.
I think the pick is too high to get either Barkley or Ridley, and I don't want to hear Ghoolie if we draft a "fat butt" in first round. Even if you draft a future HOF LT he will be ranting about it.
Some people also mentioned Derwin James.
Browns are in desperate need of a killer cover corner....and a Free Safety.
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and Minkah can play any position in the secondary - some like him BETTER
as a cover corner. He's that good.
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I think the pick is too high to get either Barkley or Ridley, and I don't want to hear Ghoolie if we draft a "fat butt" in first round. Even if you draft a future HOF LT he will be ranting about it.
Some people also mentioned Derwin James.
Browns are in desperate need of a killer cover corner....and a Free Safety.
Browns are in desperate need of a killer cover corner....and a Free Safety.
Agreed. I think that's what the majority of the board thinks we need to pick with Houston's pick.
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He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
not in today's nfl....no, he doesn't belong on the field. Wherever you play him in the secondary, he's going to be a liability in the passing game. If you move him up and expect him to function more against slot guys, he doesn't match up well. Much better off with someone with more coverage/corner type skills in that extra secondary guy. This 'rover' idea where he plays more like a college linebacker at times is nice and all, but if you want to use him that way.....why not utilize an actual nfl outside linebacker? Which peppers isn't.....
Peppers is like a ball nba four....except he doesn't shoot 3s so he can't spread the floor. So whats the point of using him as a stretch four then?
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Wasn't Peppers a LB/Rover at UM?
All the "natural position" debate I've read here seems to ignore this.
We call it a Viper. It's a hybrid LB / Safety. Blows up screens, blitzes, contains outside runs, etc. All of which is taken into account.
Now, if a DC makes this position in his scheme, that would be his fit. In most schemes, that is most similar to an in the box safety / SS IMO. What do you think it's closest to?
We call it a Viper. It's a hybrid LB / Safety. Blows up screens, blitzes, contains outside runs, etc. All of which is taken into account.
Now, if a DC makes this position in his scheme, that would be his fit. In most schemes, that is most similar to an in the box safety / SS IMO. What do you think it's closest to?
Actually I think its closest to LB. The "new" S/LB hybrid position is coming... hell, it's what Gregg Williams did with Baron in LA... and that's how Baron is still being used.
I never said you said I said he was amazing.... Lol
Beat me to it... lol
Agreed. I think that's what the majority of the board thinks we need to pick with Houston's pick.
And I once again remind the majority of... Howard Wilson.
Oh... and BPA...
Don't think a CB has ever been drafted at 1...
1956 Gary Glick DB Colorado A&M Pittsburgh Steelers 7 0 Glick is the only DB ever taken #1 overall. Terminology was much different back then. Pro Football Reference lists him as a "Defensive Halfback" in his first seasons, then later as a Left or "Right Safety".
As best I can recall "Defensive Halfback" = "Cornerback" once upon a time. Maybe some fellow codgers can chime in.
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He doesn't belong on the field???? Haha, alright.
And I'm the ridiculously biased one.
Good night
not in today's nfl....no, he doesn't belong on the field. Wherever you play him in the secondary, he's going to be a liability in the passing game. If you move him up and expect him to function more against slot guys, he doesn't match up well. Much better off with someone with more coverage/corner type skills in that extra secondary guy. This 'rover' idea where he plays more like a college linebacker at times is nice and all, but if you want to use him that way.....why not utilize an actual nfl outside linebacker? Which peppers isn't.....
Peppers is like a ball nba four....except he doesn't shoot 3s so he can't spread the floor. So whats the point of using him as a stretch four then?
not in today's nfl....no, he doesn't belong on the field. Wherever you play him in the secondary, he's going to be a liability in the passing game. If you move him up and expect him to function more against slot guys, he doesn't match up well. Much better off with someone with more coverage/corner type skills in that extra secondary guy. This 'rover' idea where he plays more like a college linebacker at times is nice and all,
but if you want to use him that way.....why not utilize an actual nfl outside linebacker? Which peppers isn't.....
Ooooh... I know... I know... Because LBs aren't fast enough?
And don't look now, but you are evaluating players...
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