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  • T Tacosman wrote on last edited by
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    that's not where we are going. Even if by chance we do go there, we are still going to take a qb #1....although that's why I think it is unlikely to happen. Does smith really want to go to a situation like he is in now? We need to start Darnold/Rosen on day1...not let him sit for a year behind some vet.

    Part of the reason Dorsey was brought in was to draft the qb, something Brown didn't do.  So there is no way Dorsey passes on that chance at 1.....

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    Just keep talkin about Darnold Rosen ! I think rosen will have a far worse year as a rookie than Goff did, and Goff is far better a pick.

    and I didn't like Goff, despite his physical abilities etc. Dorsey was also brought in to draft football..players who love the game.

    Intangibles, that sashi didn't seem to consider when on his own. And Dorsey knows better than to draft the mistakes that have

    been drafted in years past. That is what the Browns must have.

  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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    We don’t need to start a rookie day one. That’s dumb.

  • Just keep talkin about Darnold Rosen ! I think rosen will have a far worse year as a rookie than Goff did, and Goff is far better a pick.

    and I didn't like Goff, despite his physical abilities etc. Dorsey was also brought in to draft football..players who love the game.

    Intangibles, that sashi didn't seem to consider when on his own. And Dorsey knows better than to draft the mistakes that have

    been drafted in years past. That is what the Browns must have.

    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

    Just keep talkin about Darnold Rosen ! I think rosen will have a far worse year as a rookie than Goff did, and Goff is far better a pick.

    and I didn't like Goff, despite his physical abilities etc. Dorsey was also brought in to draft football..players who love the game.

    Intangibles, that sashi didn't seem to consider when on his own. And Dorsey knows better than to draft the mistakes that have

    been drafted in years past. That is what the Browns must have.

    Instead of going to the main point of the thread, you focused on the prospects that Taco referred to, when what he is suggesting doesn't really have anything to do with the prospects. 

    @tacosman said:

    that's not where we are going. Even if by chance we do go there, we are still going to take a qb #1....although that's why I think it is unlikely to happen. Does smith really want to go to a situation like he is in now? We need to start Darnold/Rosen on day1...not let him sit for a year behind some vet.

    Part of the reason Dorsey was brought in was to draft the qb, something Brown didn't do.  So there is no way Dorsey passes on that chance at 1.....

    That's one of the main reaons why I don't believe we are landing Alex Smith next year. Even though I wouldn't start the rookie QB until he's ready, let's say you sit him for one year. A veteran QB is going to go to the Browns just to play one year? We are closer to attract a solid veteran backup than a veteran starter.

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    Instead of going to the main point of the thread, you focused on the prospects that Taco referred to, when what he is suggesting doesn't really have anything to do with the prospects.  Nero

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    yet, he brought up the two top prospects, again. go figure. If we did bring in Alex Smith - it would be to start a year,

    and give Josh Allen time to learn the NFL game, which is tougher to do with the Browns, since the wr's aren't all that, even

    with Gordon actually being back and on the field. A veteran qb knows better how to compensate for the lack of playmaker

    wr's.

  • Instead of going to the main point of the thread, you focused on the prospects that Taco referred to, when what he is suggesting doesn't really have anything to do with the prospects.  Nero

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    yet, he brought up the two top prospects, again. go figure. If we did bring in Alex Smith - it would be to start a year,

    and give Josh Allen time to learn the NFL game, which is tougher to do with the Browns, since the wr's aren't all that, even

    with Gordon actually being back and on the field. A veteran qb knows better how to compensate for the lack of playmaker

    wr's.

    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

    Instead of going to the main point of the thread, you focused on the prospects that Taco referred to, when what he is suggesting doesn't really have anything to do with the prospects.  Nero

    **********************************************

    yet, he brought up the two top prospects, again. go figure. If we did bring in Alex Smith - it would be to start a year,

    and give Josh Allen time to learn the NFL game, which is tougher to do with the Browns, since the wr's aren't all that, even

    with Gordon actually being back and on the field. A veteran qb knows better how to compensate for the lack of playmaker

    wr's.

    OK. So do you think is viable to attract Alex Smith into that scenario? - Hey, Alex! Come here, you will play one year at most!

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    why not? Alex Smith was a #1 overall pick in the draft - in 2005. This is nearly 2018.  And for whatever reason,

    I hear he may not be with kc again next year. I don't know if he is the best veteran option or not.

    But maybe he would love to play the squealers twice a year. They apparently tried to take out his knees like they did

    with Carson Palmer years ago. It's what the squealer pukes do. cheapshot. Pollyeatsumpupu was a dirty player before the NFL,

    and is retired, so MItchell, the safety, went after THE BACK of Smith's knees. More than likely, I suppose, they will start Kizer and let the new guy beat him out on the field.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21037699/kansas-city-chiefs-qb-alex-smith-upset-late-hit-pittsburgh-steelers-mike-mitchell

  • We don’t need to start a rookie day one. That’s dumb.

    B Babernakle wrote on last edited by
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    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    We don’t need to start a rookie day one. That’s dumb.

    If the guy can play and protect himself.  You start him.  

  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    Bring in Smith to teach Allen. He'll be elated to be out starter until age 40 while the next Browns chump sits on the bench where he belongs. Why waste a draft choice when we already have Kizer who can accomplish the same thing? Get that RB and FS!😆

  • Bring in Smith to teach Allen. He'll be elated to be out starter until age 40 while the next Browns chump sits on the bench where he belongs. Why waste a draft choice when we already have Kizer who can accomplish the same thing? Get that RB and FS!😆

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    Bring in Smith to teach Allen. He'll be elated to be out starter until age 40 while the next Browns chump sits on the bench where he belongs. Why waste a draft choice when we already have Kizer who can accomplish the same thing? Get that RB and FS!😆

    Allen?  Are you going butt buddy with Cal on this?

  • Bring in Smith to teach Allen. He'll be elated to be out starter until age 40 while the next Browns chump sits on the bench where he belongs. Why waste a draft choice when we already have Kizer who can accomplish the same thing? Get that RB and FS!😆

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    Bring in Smith to teach Allen Hogan.

    FIFPo...

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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    But Alex isn't getting younger, and I could see him retiring around 37 years old. That would give him 3 more years, and that might be perfect for us. Also remember, just because a QB starts the year, it doesn't mean he finishes the season. Injuries happen all the time, so maybe trading for Alex and drafting a QB early is smart. If Alex unfortunately gets hurt, three can either play Kizer or the new rookie...depending on who is practicing better. 

  • But Alex isn't getting younger, and I could see him retiring around 37 years old. That would give him 3 more years, and that might be perfect for us. Also remember, just because a QB starts the year, it doesn't mean he finishes the season. Injuries happen all the time, so maybe trading for Alex and drafting a QB early is smart. If Alex unfortunately gets hurt, three can either play Kizer or the new rookie...depending on who is practicing better. 

    T Tacosman wrote on last edited by
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    @jiggins7919 said:

    But Alex isn't getting younger, and I could see him retiring around 37 years old. That would give him 3 more years, and that might be perfect for us. Also remember, just because a QB starts the year, it doesn't mean he finishes the season. Injuries happen all the time, so maybe trading for Alex and drafting a QB early is smart. If Alex unfortunately gets hurt, three can either play Kizer or the new rookie...depending on who is practicing better. 

    no, not perfect for us. You don't draft a qb #1 and have him sit 3 years.  that's not reality.  Aaron Rodgers was a very unique situation. For starters, he was not #1 but a late first rounder.  Second, alex smith is not bret favre. 

    if we do bring in a vet qb, the ABSOLUTE MOST Darnold or rosen will sit behind him is 1 year. And even then that would be really pushing it.

    more than likely rosen or darnold is starting game 1 with kizer the backup

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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    Rodgers wasn't "sat"... he was held back. Farve played games with the Packer FO.

    Grab Smith... restructure him, if you can, adding a 2nd year with a 3rd year mutual option. Then you don't have to rush your young QB... and you don't risk holding him back.

    Just hit me that Dorsey could also have eyes for Chase Daniel. He's currently in NOLA backing up Brees, but is in the last year of his contract.

  • Rodgers wasn't "sat"... he was held back. Farve played games with the Packer FO.

    Grab Smith... restructure him, if you can, adding a 2nd year with a 3rd year mutual option. Then you don't have to rush your young QB... and you don't risk holding him back.

    Just hit me that Dorsey could also have eyes for Chase Daniel. He's currently in NOLA backing up Brees, but is in the last year of his contract.

    T Tacosman wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    Rodgers wasn't "sat"... he was held back. Farve played games with the Packer FO.

    Grab Smith... restructure him, if you can, adding a 2nd year with a 3rd year mutual option. Then you don't have to rush your young QB... and you don't risk holding him back.

    Just hit me that Dorsey could also have eyes for Chase Daniel. He's currently in NOLA backing up Brees, but is in the last year of his contract.

    i dont know that smith is going to be interested in signing a contract where it would be easy for us from a guaranteed money standpoint to get out of it/him in a year.  We'll see what the market is for him though.

    I want to see what darnold or rosen has sooner rather than later.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Bring in Smith to teach Allen. He'll be elated to be out starter until age 40 while the next Browns chump sits on the bench where he belongs. Why waste a draft choice when we already have Kizer who can accomplish the same thing? Get that RB and FS!😆

    Allen?  Are you going butt buddy with Cal on this?

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Allen?  Are you going butt buddy with Cal on this?

    Do I have to put everything in pink for you? Read the entire sarcastic remark!🙄😆

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    But Alex isn't getting younger, and I could see him retiring around 37 years old. That would give him 3 more years, and that might be perfect for us. Also remember, just because a QB starts the year, it doesn't mean he finishes the season. Injuries happen all the time, so maybe trading for Alex and drafting a QB early is smart. If Alex unfortunately gets hurt, three can either play Kizer or the new rookie...depending on who is practicing better. 

    no, not perfect for us. You don't draft a qb #1 and have him sit 3 years.  that's not reality.  Aaron Rodgers was a very unique situation. For starters, he was not #1 but a late first rounder.  Second, alex smith is not bret favre. 

    if we do bring in a vet qb, the ABSOLUTE MOST Darnold or rosen will sit behind him is 1 year. And even then that would be really pushing it.

    more than likely rosen or darnold is starting game 1 with kizer the backup

    thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by
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    @tacosman said:

    if we do bring in a vet qb, the ABSOLUTE MOST Darnold or rosen will sit behind him is 1 year. And even then that would be really pushing it.

    more than likely rosen or darnold is starting game 1 with kizer the backup

    Nobody can/should make this assessment at this point. What if we do sign Smith and he takes us to the playoffs?  Are you really going to call for the rookie right away?

    We should just be focused on getting a guy that can win games, and some good prospects behind him...

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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    If you are going after the Division in 2018, then the odds are you are not envisioning a rookie QB taking you there.

  • If you are going after the Division in 2018, then the odds are you are not envisioning a rookie QB taking you there.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    If you are going after the Division in 2018, then the odds are you are not envisioning a rookie QB taking you there.

    Which makes me think Jimmah has given him the money approval to go get a proven QB in FA.

  • BrownB499B BrownB499 wrote on last edited by
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    After the love-fest Hue laid on McCarron before the Bengals game...I have to believe that McCarron will be the veteran QB Dorsey will be going after

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