Dont let the Dorsey-Alex Smith connection/noise fool you.....
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Just keep talkin about Darnold Rosen ! I think rosen will have a far worse year as a rookie than Goff did, and Goff is far better a pick.
and I didn't like Goff, despite his physical abilities etc. Dorsey was also brought in to draft football..players who love the game.
Intangibles, that sashi didn't seem to consider when on his own. And Dorsey knows better than to draft the mistakes that have
been drafted in years past. That is what the Browns must have.
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We don’t need to start a rookie day one. That’s dumb.
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Just keep talkin about Darnold Rosen ! I think rosen will have a far worse year as a rookie than Goff did, and Goff is far better a pick.
and I didn't like Goff, despite his physical abilities etc. Dorsey was also brought in to draft football..players who love the game.
Intangibles, that sashi didn't seem to consider when on his own. And Dorsey knows better than to draft the mistakes that have
been drafted in years past. That is what the Browns must have.
Just keep talkin about Darnold Rosen ! I think rosen will have a far worse year as a rookie than Goff did, and Goff is far better a pick.
and I didn't like Goff, despite his physical abilities etc. Dorsey was also brought in to draft football..players who love the game.
Intangibles, that sashi didn't seem to consider when on his own. And Dorsey knows better than to draft the mistakes that have
been drafted in years past. That is what the Browns must have.
Instead of going to the main point of the thread, you focused on the prospects that Taco referred to, when what he is suggesting doesn't really have anything to do with the prospects.
that's not where we are going. Even if by chance we do go there, we are still going to take a qb #1....although that's why I think it is unlikely to happen. Does smith really want to go to a situation like he is in now? We need to start Darnold/Rosen on day1...not let him sit for a year behind some vet.
Part of the reason Dorsey was brought in was to draft the qb, something Brown didn't do. So there is no way Dorsey passes on that chance at 1.....
That's one of the main reaons why I don't believe we are landing Alex Smith next year. Even though I wouldn't start the rookie QB until he's ready, let's say you sit him for one year. A veteran QB is going to go to the Browns just to play one year? We are closer to attract a solid veteran backup than a veteran starter.
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Instead of going to the main point of the thread, you focused on the prospects that Taco referred to, when what he is suggesting doesn't really have anything to do with the prospects. Nero
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yet, he brought up the two top prospects, again. go figure. If we did bring in Alex Smith - it would be to start a year,
and give Josh Allen time to learn the NFL game, which is tougher to do with the Browns, since the wr's aren't all that, even
with Gordon actually being back and on the field. A veteran qb knows better how to compensate for the lack of playmaker
wr's.
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Instead of going to the main point of the thread, you focused on the prospects that Taco referred to, when what he is suggesting doesn't really have anything to do with the prospects. Nero
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yet, he brought up the two top prospects, again. go figure. If we did bring in Alex Smith - it would be to start a year,
and give Josh Allen time to learn the NFL game, which is tougher to do with the Browns, since the wr's aren't all that, even
with Gordon actually being back and on the field. A veteran qb knows better how to compensate for the lack of playmaker
wr's.
Instead of going to the main point of the thread, you focused on the prospects that Taco referred to, when what he is suggesting doesn't really have anything to do with the prospects. Nero
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yet, he brought up the two top prospects, again. go figure. If we did bring in Alex Smith - it would be to start a year,
and give Josh Allen time to learn the NFL game, which is tougher to do with the Browns, since the wr's aren't all that, even
with Gordon actually being back and on the field. A veteran qb knows better how to compensate for the lack of playmaker
wr's.
OK. So do you think is viable to attract Alex Smith into that scenario? - Hey, Alex! Come here, you will play one year at most!
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why not? Alex Smith was a #1 overall pick in the draft - in 2005. This is nearly 2018. And for whatever reason,
I hear he may not be with kc again next year. I don't know if he is the best veteran option or not.
But maybe he would love to play the squealers twice a year. They apparently tried to take out his knees like they did
with Carson Palmer years ago. It's what the squealer pukes do. cheapshot. Pollyeatsumpupu was a dirty player before the NFL,
and is retired, so MItchell, the safety, went after THE BACK of Smith's knees. More than likely, I suppose, they will start Kizer and let the new guy beat him out on the field.
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We don’t need to start a rookie day one. That’s dumb.
We don’t need to start a rookie day one. That’s dumb.
If the guy can play and protect himself. You start him.
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Bring in Smith to teach Allen. He'll be elated to be out starter until age 40 while the next Browns chump sits on the bench where he belongs. Why waste a draft choice when we already have Kizer who can accomplish the same thing? Get that RB and FS!
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Bring in Smith to teach Allen. He'll be elated to be out starter until age 40 while the next Browns chump sits on the bench where he belongs. Why waste a draft choice when we already have Kizer who can accomplish the same thing? Get that RB and FS!
Bring in Smith to teach Allen. He'll be elated to be out starter until age 40 while the next Browns chump sits on the bench where he belongs. Why waste a draft choice when we already have Kizer who can accomplish the same thing? Get that RB and FS!
Allen? Are you going butt buddy with Cal on this?
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Bring in Smith to teach Allen. He'll be elated to be out starter until age 40 while the next Browns chump sits on the bench where he belongs. Why waste a draft choice when we already have Kizer who can accomplish the same thing? Get that RB and FS!
Bring in Smith to teach
AllenHogan.FIFPo...
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But Alex isn't getting younger, and I could see him retiring around 37 years old. That would give him 3 more years, and that might be perfect for us. Also remember, just because a QB starts the year, it doesn't mean he finishes the season. Injuries happen all the time, so maybe trading for Alex and drafting a QB early is smart. If Alex unfortunately gets hurt, three can either play Kizer or the new rookie...depending on who is practicing better.
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But Alex isn't getting younger, and I could see him retiring around 37 years old. That would give him 3 more years, and that might be perfect for us. Also remember, just because a QB starts the year, it doesn't mean he finishes the season. Injuries happen all the time, so maybe trading for Alex and drafting a QB early is smart. If Alex unfortunately gets hurt, three can either play Kizer or the new rookie...depending on who is practicing better.
But Alex isn't getting younger, and I could see him retiring around 37 years old. That would give him 3 more years, and that might be perfect for us. Also remember, just because a QB starts the year, it doesn't mean he finishes the season. Injuries happen all the time, so maybe trading for Alex and drafting a QB early is smart. If Alex unfortunately gets hurt, three can either play Kizer or the new rookie...depending on who is practicing better.
no, not perfect for us. You don't draft a qb #1 and have him sit 3 years. that's not reality. Aaron Rodgers was a very unique situation. For starters, he was not #1 but a late first rounder. Second, alex smith is not bret favre.
if we do bring in a vet qb, the ABSOLUTE MOST Darnold or rosen will sit behind him is 1 year. And even then that would be really pushing it.
more than likely rosen or darnold is starting game 1 with kizer the backup
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Rodgers wasn't "sat"... he was held back. Farve played games with the Packer FO.
Grab Smith... restructure him, if you can, adding a 2nd year with a 3rd year mutual option. Then you don't have to rush your young QB... and you don't risk holding him back.
Just hit me that Dorsey could also have eyes for Chase Daniel. He's currently in NOLA backing up Brees, but is in the last year of his contract.
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Rodgers wasn't "sat"... he was held back. Farve played games with the Packer FO.
Grab Smith... restructure him, if you can, adding a 2nd year with a 3rd year mutual option. Then you don't have to rush your young QB... and you don't risk holding him back.
Just hit me that Dorsey could also have eyes for Chase Daniel. He's currently in NOLA backing up Brees, but is in the last year of his contract.
Rodgers wasn't "sat"... he was held back. Farve played games with the Packer FO.
Grab Smith... restructure him, if you can, adding a 2nd year with a 3rd year mutual option. Then you don't have to rush your young QB... and you don't risk holding him back.
Just hit me that Dorsey could also have eyes for Chase Daniel. He's currently in NOLA backing up Brees, but is in the last year of his contract.
i dont know that smith is going to be interested in signing a contract where it would be easy for us from a guaranteed money standpoint to get out of it/him in a year. We'll see what the market is for him though.
I want to see what darnold or rosen has sooner rather than later.
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Bring in Smith to teach Allen. He'll be elated to be out starter until age 40 while the next Browns chump sits on the bench where he belongs. Why waste a draft choice when we already have Kizer who can accomplish the same thing? Get that RB and FS!
Allen? Are you going butt buddy with Cal on this?
Allen? Are you going butt buddy with Cal on this?
Do I have to put everything in pink for you? Read the entire sarcastic remark!
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But Alex isn't getting younger, and I could see him retiring around 37 years old. That would give him 3 more years, and that might be perfect for us. Also remember, just because a QB starts the year, it doesn't mean he finishes the season. Injuries happen all the time, so maybe trading for Alex and drafting a QB early is smart. If Alex unfortunately gets hurt, three can either play Kizer or the new rookie...depending on who is practicing better.
no, not perfect for us. You don't draft a qb #1 and have him sit 3 years. that's not reality. Aaron Rodgers was a very unique situation. For starters, he was not #1 but a late first rounder. Second, alex smith is not bret favre.
if we do bring in a vet qb, the ABSOLUTE MOST Darnold or rosen will sit behind him is 1 year. And even then that would be really pushing it.
more than likely rosen or darnold is starting game 1 with kizer the backup
if we do bring in a vet qb, the ABSOLUTE MOST Darnold or rosen will sit behind him is 1 year. And even then that would be really pushing it.
more than likely rosen or darnold is starting game 1 with kizer the backup
Nobody can/should make this assessment at this point. What if we do sign Smith and he takes us to the playoffs? Are you really going to call for the rookie right away?
We should just be focused on getting a guy that can win games, and some good prospects behind him...
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If you are going after the Division in 2018, then the odds are you are not envisioning a rookie QB taking you there.
If you are going after the Division in 2018, then the odds are you are not envisioning a rookie QB taking you there.
Which makes me think Jimmah has given him the money approval to go get a proven QB in FA.
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After the love-fest Hue laid on McCarron before the Bengals game...I have to believe that McCarron will be the veteran QB Dorsey will be going after
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Rodgers wasn't "sat"... he was held back. Farve played games with the Packer FO.
Grab Smith... restructure him, if you can, adding a 2nd year with a 3rd year mutual option. Then you don't have to rush your young QB... and you don't risk holding him back.
Just hit me that Dorsey could also have eyes for Chase Daniel. He's currently in NOLA backing up Brees, but is in the last year of his contract.
Rodgers wasn't "sat"... he was held back. Farve played games with the Packer FO.
Grab Smith... restructure him, if you can, adding a 2nd year with a 3rd year mutual option. Then you don't have to rush your young QB... and you don't risk holding him back.
Just hit me that Dorsey could also have eyes for Chase Daniel. He's currently in NOLA backing up Brees, but is in the last year of his contract.
Exactly. And I see nothing wrong with sitting a guy 2 or even 3 years if the veteran is performing well. After all, the entire point is to get competent play out of the position, not to play the first pick.
And I was just thinking about Chase Daniel the other day and how he might be someone we'd look at. Now, I'd much rather have Case Keenum, especially if the stars align and Josh Gordon finds his way back next year, but Chase is exactly the type of veteran player we'll be looking for in 2018.
There are two lines of thinking when it comes to young qb's. The most recent is the "play right away" model, and it makes sense. In fact, I struggle to think of many situations where a team drafts a QB high and lets him learn for a season or two. The other model is to have a veteran qb start for a while and let the young buck learn and acclimate to the rigors of the NFL season.
What we need is to stabilize the qb position and not LOSE games because it. While I admit it'd be frustrating to draft a shiny new toy at 1 and not see him play for a year or so, the main objective is to win. Alex Smith would most certainly help our team do that, and the only concern I'd have with starting a guy his age is it takes away learning opportunities from the rookie. Probably the best way to get better is to play, so we COULD be doing our first overall pick a disservice by sitting him. Or, maybe it's the best thing for him? Nobody knows, and it's a difficult quandary to figure out. I mean, take the Chiefs for example. They not only drafted Pat Mahomes at like 10 overall, they traded up to get him (I could be mistaken, too lazy to look). Anyway, they draft a QB very early and guess what? He didn't start. Now he wasn't #1, but he was still very early in the first round.
So people want to tell me that the Chiefs really want to start a QB next year with zero regular season experience (Mahomes) instead of a 34 year old QB who currently has 25 touchdowns and 5 (yes, FIVE) interceptions? It sounds like a very real possibility, but it doesn't make any sense to me. At any rate, if the Chiefs want to take unnecessary risks at the most important position in sports, I surely want to be the beneficiary. I want you to think about 5 interceptions. About 74% completion percentage. About hitting people in stride and forcing defenses to respect every part of the field. Last night Alex Smith hit Tyreek Hill for a long touchdown. Hill got behind the defense by 2 steps and Smith didn't just complete the pass, he put the ball RIGHT in the basket so Hill didn't even have to slow down one bit. Now, remember our game against the Chargers? Remember Kizer missing Josh a few times after he got behind the defense? Smith doesn't miss those very often.
I know some people aren't as enamored with Smith as I am, but I don't care. With a few additions, and the miracle of Josh's return, Alex Smith puts us squarely in playoff contention (playoffs? PLAYOFFS?!). That's right...playoff contention. I know we want to build a contender that will last for years, and it's difficult to do that starting a 34 year old QB, but to me this is an easy move to make. Look back at our miserable season and look at the games we could've won if we just had a few more scoring drives. Heck, look at our first game against the Steelers.
Trade or sign Alex Smith. Pay him whatever it takes. Make us respectable almost instantly.
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