Josh Rosen?
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rosen might go the Elway-Manning route and refuse to play for the Browns anyways - just not
the right pick for the Browns - too bad, he certainly has the arm, he just doesn't have the class.
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I agree that Rosen is the pocket passer in this class. And while he is not immobile... neither can he be called "mobile."
So in my mind he's the clear #1 as well.
But... if a franchise is looking for mobility in their QB, then I can see them going elsewhere.
I agree that Rosen is the pocket passer in this class. And while he is not immobile... neither can he be called "mobile."
So in my mind he's the clear #1 as well.
But... if a franchise is looking for mobility in their QB, then I can see them going elsewhere.
Like Lamar Jackson or Baker Mayfield.Ā
Yeah Cal, we know you don't like Rosen very much. I'm not digging in my heels in on a pick yet. Draft is 4 months away, and a lot can happen in that time. What ya gonna do Cal if Darnold (who's Rosen minus the character issues) declares? & right now I have aroundĀ 4 qbS ranked ahead of Allen.Ā
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beats me, we'll see. I actually like Darnold, he just doesn't seem to take care of the ball, etc. But I would hope he DOES declare, if that means the Browns pick him, and not rosen.Ā there are plenty of scouts who have tremendous respect for Darnold -
http://thebiglead.com/2017/09/12/one-play-proved-why-nfl-scouts-are-drooling-over-sam-darnold/
If I were to truly try to rate the qbs?
1. Darnold
2. Allen
3. Thorson
4. Faulk
5. Mayfield-Rosen LOL
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So your links against are basically one bad game, and two about how he has an attitude problem. The truth is the guy is extremely smart, and comes from a wealthy background. People hate Mark Zuckerburg for the same types of reasons, but I think he's doing okay. I get that leadership is a tangible skill set for the QB position, but I don't see him as polarizing as say Manziel was, not even close.Cam Newton threw a stolen laptop out his dorm window and I'm pretty sure you'd love that dude on your team. Everyone hated horse-face, and he turned out alright. Point is, that stuff is pretty inconsequential.
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Well if only 2 GM's are saying to stay away from RosenĀ that really doesn't mean much its not like its 10 or 15 and all the draft guru's and who know those 2 gm's whoĀ don't like Rosen both might play in the same east coast stadium.
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
Well if only 2 GM's are saying to stay away from RosenĀ that really doesn't mean much its not like its 10 or 15 and all the draft guru's and who know those 2 gm's whoĀ don't like Rosen both might play in the same east coast stadium.
Well if only 2 GM's are saying to stay away from RosenĀ that really doesn't mean much its not like its 10 or 15 and all the draft guru's and who know those 2 gm's whoĀ don't like Rosen both might play in the same east coast stadium.
I've said it a bunch of times- going to depend on how he interviews. He's a smart guy, if he really doesn't want to play for the Browns, he'll certainly let it be known then. I really don't give a rat about his political views, there's plenty of Republicans whoĀ don't love Trump either.Ā
I did notice compared to some of the "mobile" QBs (Mayfield and Jackson) he's not a track star, that concerns me more than his supposed attitude problems. Yup, a few scouts and GMs don't like him. We'll see if that turns into a universal opinion afterĀ the combine and individual workouts.Ā
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What's wrong with Josh Rosen?
About this time three years ago, I made a very similar thread-except instead of Rosen, I posed the question for Derek Carr. Let's start with the fact that anyone who watched the game yesterday and thinks in any way shape or form that Kizer is the dude is insane. I swear to God if I see one more red zone INT into double or triple coverage I may lose my mind.
With that being said, it's apparent to me that Dorsey is all hands on deck to draft a QB. There's some interesting prospects, but I can't understand for the life of me why Rosen isn't the clear cut number 1 pick. Literally the only knock on the guy is he says some short-sighted (albeit true) things to the media and that he rubs people the wrong way. Watching the guy play all I see is a franchise QB who checks off every single box you'd want. So I'm asking in all sincerity, why not Rosen? Why would any other QB even be considered?Ā
About this time three years ago, I made a very similar thread-except instead of Rosen, I posed the question for Derek Carr. Let's start with the fact that anyone who watched the game yesterday and thinks in any way shape or form that Kizer is the dude is insane. I swear to God if I see one more red zone INT into double or triple coverage I may lose my mind.
With that being said, it's apparent to me that Dorsey is all hands on deck to draft a QB. There's some interesting prospects, but I can't understand for the life of me why Rosen isn't the clear cut number 1 pick. Literally the only knock on the guy is he says some short-sighted (albeit true) things to the media and that he rubs people the wrong way. Watching the guy play all I see is a franchise QB who checks off every single box you'd want. So I'm asking in all sincerity, why not Rosen? Why would any other QB even be considered?Ā
Why is Rosen not #1? Ā Because in my mind, there is no particular pecking order on these QBs. Because they have not finished their college careers and we (i.e.....Browns scouting dept.) needs to see their entire body of work. Ā Because there is still some question on Whether or not all these guys will be coming out. Ā Because they have not gone through their combines/workouts/interview etc.Ā
So...he is not #1 because no one is #1.Ā
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Hue has a type and has Haslam eating out the palm of his hand so therefore it will be Josh Allen with the Texans pick and he will sit behind AJ McCarron. Then in time both will turn out as bad as the rest of the QBs we have had here whilst Josh Rosen wins multiple superbowls in New York with the Giants. BANK IT.
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Well if only 2 GM's are saying to stay away from RosenĀ that really doesn't mean much its not like its 10 or 15 and all the draft guru's and who know those 2 gm's whoĀ don't like Rosen both might play in the same east coast stadium.
Well if only 2 GM's are saying to stay away from RosenĀ that really doesn't mean much its not like its 10 or 15 and all the draft guru's and who know those 2 gm's whoĀ don't like Rosen both might play in the same east coast stadium.
It's also being extremely short-sighted of your argument to not make note of the fact every "bad personality" argument was from before this season started. The last "blemish" is the whole student athlete thing, which I encourage you to read:Ā https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/08/08/josh-rosen-student-athlete-ncaa-comments
What, exactly, is so bad about what he is saying? I worked my way through college too, but he's not wrong. the NCAA machine is ridiculous. Even if you knock him for saying it, he's kept his head down since and preformed at a dominant level on the field.
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I agree that Rosen is the pocket passer in this class. And while he is not immobile... neither can he be called "mobile."
So in my mind he's the clear #1 as well.
But... if a franchise is looking for mobility in their QB, then I can see them going elsewhere.
I agree that Rosen is the pocket passer in this class. And while he is not immobile... neither can he be called "mobile."
So in my mind he's the clear #1 as well.
But... if a franchise is looking for mobility in their QB, then I can see them going elsewhere.
I've seen every Rosen snap and his pocket movement is Brady like in terms of being slippery and finding a different launch point. While the "mobile QB" tag may neverĀ be slapped on him, he's definitely good enough.
My only concern is wondering what's in his heart.... Does he love football enough to be great at the next level? He's been hard to read on that for all the years I've seen him play. Just when I think "Hell yea, dude is a warrior" then another game pops up where I wondered if he needed a nap at half time..... I just don't know about his motor.Ā
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rosen might go the Elway-Manning route and refuse to play for the Browns anyways - just not
the right pick for the Browns - too bad, he certainly has the arm, he just doesn't have the class.
rosen might go the Elway-Manning route and refuse to play for the Browns anyways - just not
the right pick for the Browns - too bad, he certainly has the arm, he just doesn't have the class.
I could see Rosen refusing to playing for the Browns because of the attitude problem Iāve heard much of. People are forgetting that I live in Los Angeles, and a lot of people are assholes here. They feel like theyāre āaboveā people. I encountered a few of them at a bar last week. Apparently scouts were warning about his character. NFL GMās calling him an arrogant prick, and almost every UCLA fan, student, and teacher Iāve known thatās met him hates him. Maybe his teammates like him? But Iāve heard he talks down to coaches and does things his own way. Whenās the last time you found someoneās high school coach talk negatively about someone? I suppose they really have to be a pretty big pooper. My friend, who teaches at UCLAās friend had Rosen as a student in class, and he said the kid was a complete pooper to him. Itās fine though, because character and intangibles donāt matter. A talented player has never been an pooper before. The question is why so many people, students, teachers, scouts, GMās, football coaches would all make this up as a smear campaign against Rosen? Or maybe, In fact, the kid could be an pooper of new levels. My friend who teaches at UCLA loves UCLA but hates Rosen. And myĀ friend is Jewish, so please save me anti Semitic euphemism argument gipper. Iām full out going to say I think the kid is going to be a major bust because of his character. Mayfield will be a star. If we pick Rosen, I think he could care less about the browns, and perhaps would pull an Elway. Please donāt try and make Rosen into your āideal qbā, because if heās truly an pooper, if people will hate him, and if he only cares about himself heās doomed to fail. If my friend who teaches at UCLA, all the students I know there, and all the coaches scouts and GMs are all wrong about him, then Iāll be grateful and gladly admit I was wrong. But for me, heās the scariest pick #1 by far. I canāt fathom why so many people would say negatively things about the kid. And if that isnāt a red flag to you, what is? Grabbing your crotch during a game, or tons of peopleĀ youāve met who arenāt yourĀ teammates calling you an arrogant prick?
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Well if only 2 GM's are saying to stay away from RosenĀ that really doesn't mean much its not like its 10 or 15 and all the draft guru's and who know those 2 gm's whoĀ don't like Rosen both might play in the same east coast stadium.
It's also being extremely short-sighted of your argument to not make note of the fact every "bad personality" argument was from before this season started. The last "blemish" is the whole student athlete thing, which I encourage you to read:Ā https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/08/08/josh-rosen-student-athlete-ncaa-comments
What, exactly, is so bad about what he is saying? I worked my way through college too, but he's not wrong. the NCAA machine is ridiculous. Even if you knock him for saying it, he's kept his head down since and preformed at a dominant level on the field.
It's also being extremely short-sighted of your argument to not make note of the fact every "bad personality" argument was from before this season started. The last "blemish" is the whole student athlete thing, which I encourage you to read:Ā https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/08/08/josh-rosen-student-athlete-ncaa-comments
What, exactly, is so bad about what he is saying? I worked my way through college too, but he's not wrong. the NCAA machine is ridiculous. Even if you knock him for saying it, he's kept his head down since and preformed at a dominant level on the field.
What??!!?!?!?Ā
Ā I will make it easier ...I was written the at least 2 GM are saying that Rosen is a flat out stay away for draft purpose and I'm saying that those 2 GM's are for teams that play in the same stadium on the east coast and if you can't figure out those 2 teams they would be the Jets and Giants.
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It's also being extremely short-sighted of your argument to not make note of the fact every "bad personality" argument was from before this season started. The last "blemish" is the whole student athlete thing, which I encourage you to read:Ā https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/08/08/josh-rosen-student-athlete-ncaa-comments
What, exactly, is so bad about what he is saying? I worked my way through college too, but he's not wrong. the NCAA machine is ridiculous. Even if you knock him for saying it, he's kept his head down since and preformed at a dominant level on the field.
What??!!?!?!?Ā
Ā I will make it easier ...I was written the at least 2 GM are saying that Rosen is a flat out stay away for draft purpose and I'm saying that those 2 GM's are for teams that play in the same stadium on the east coast and if you can't figure out those 2 teams they would be the Jets and Giants.
What??!!?!?!?Ā
Ā I will make it easier ...I was written the at least 2 GM are saying that Rosen is a flat out stay away for draft purpose and I'm saying that those 2 GM's are for teams that play in the same stadium on the east coast and if you can't figure out those 2 teams they would be the Jets and Giants.
Sorry, just misquoted you there and meant to do CAL. Yes, a couple of rogue GM's don't scare me away.
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What's wrong with Josh Rosen?
About this time three years ago, I made a very similar thread-except instead of Rosen, I posed the question for Derek Carr. Let's start with the fact that anyone who watched the game yesterday and thinks in any way shape or form that Kizer is the dude is insane. I swear to God if I see one more red zone INT into double or triple coverage I may lose my mind.
With that being said, it's apparent to me that Dorsey is all hands on deck to draft a QB. There's some interesting prospects, but I can't understand for the life of me why Rosen isn't the clear cut number 1 pick. Literally the only knock on the guy is he says some short-sighted (albeit true) things to the media and that he rubs people the wrong way. Watching the guy play all I see is a franchise QB who checks off every single box you'd want. So I'm asking in all sincerity, why not Rosen? Why would any other QB even be considered?Ā
Ā I swear to God if I see one more red zone INT into double or triple coverage I may lose my mind.
Welcome to the sunday before last, u know...the GB throw. I was frothing, yesterday, not so much. Why? Cause I FUKKING CALLED IT AFTER THE GB GAME HE'D TRY ALMOST THAT SAME FUKKING THROW ALL OVER AGAIN.Ā
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Also, dont people suspect that theres teams that would love to trash some qb's and make clev gun shy sonthatbplayer falls down the board?
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Reports about character from 2016 mean pretty much nothing. Any questions from outliers were before thisĀ season started,Ā not during or after.Ā
The biggest concerns from uclaĀ fans are his injuries sustained at ucla,Ā and that he'll be on a team like the Browns. Nobody mentions anything about attitude or character issues. It's nonsenseĀ
Keep in mind, there are certain scouts who said bosa would be average at best.Ā He's too slow,Ā already maxed out in technique... Etc.Ā
NonsenseĀ
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Reports about character from 2016 mean pretty much nothing. Any questions from outliers were before thisĀ season started,Ā not during or after.Ā
The biggest concerns from uclaĀ fans are his injuries sustained at ucla,Ā and that he'll be on a team like the Browns. Nobody mentions anything about attitude or character issues. It's nonsenseĀ
Keep in mind, there are certain scouts who said bosa would be average at best.Ā He's too slow,Ā already maxed out in technique... Etc.Ā
NonsenseĀ
Reports about character from 2016 mean pretty much nothing. Any questions from outliers were before thisĀ season started,Ā not during or after.Ā
The biggest concerns from uclaĀ fans are his injuries sustained at ucla,Ā and that he'll be on a team like the Browns. Nobody mentions anything about attitude or character issues. It's nonsenseĀ
Keep in mind, there are certain scouts who said bosa would be average at best.Ā He's too slow,Ā already maxed out in technique... Etc.Ā
NonsenseĀ
I mean there was nerve injury in the shoulder but Rosen said it wasn't a big deal. Some scouts think it is. Mora said it wasn't too. I'm sure they'd find out if it isn't the case.
Rosen is a better physical NFL-ready QB specimen then Mayfield, and like I said before they both have character concerns, but seriously man, a QB needs to be a leader.... Why these character concerns don't matter to you I don't understand.
Had everyone of told me Rosen has no character concerns I would say take him #1, now. But after the massive amount of people that told me every NFL team needs to stay far away from him, obviously I have to be skeptical. I guess you also think Manziel's character concern's were "nonsense". That worked out for us well.
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Actually, I think I'd draft Mayfield, way, way before rosen. Mayfield has serious heart and leadership.
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You'd think short QBs with obvious maturity issues who play in the Big 12 would be red flags too...
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Reports about character from 2016 mean pretty much nothing. Any questions from outliers were before thisĀ season started,Ā not during or after.Ā
The biggest concerns from uclaĀ fans are his injuries sustained at ucla,Ā and that he'll be on a team like the Browns. Nobody mentions anything about attitude or character issues. It's nonsenseĀ
Keep in mind, there are certain scouts who said bosa would be average at best.Ā He's too slow,Ā already maxed out in technique... Etc.Ā
NonsenseĀ
I mean there was nerve injury in the shoulder but Rosen said it wasn't a big deal. Some scouts think it is. Mora said it wasn't too. I'm sure they'd find out if it isn't the case.
Rosen is a better physical NFL-ready QB specimen then Mayfield, and like I said before they both have character concerns, but seriously man, a QB needs to be a leader.... Why these character concerns don't matter to you I don't understand.
Had everyone of told me Rosen has no character concerns I would say take him #1, now. But after the massive amount of people that told me every NFL team needs to stay far away from him, obviously I have to be skeptical. I guess you also think Manziel's character concern's were "nonsense". That worked out for us well.
I mean there was nerve injury in the shoulder but Rosen said it wasn't a big deal. Some scouts think it is. Mora said it wasn't too. I'm sure they'd find out if it isn't the case.
Rosen is a better physical NFL-ready QB specimen then Mayfield, and like I said before they both have character concerns, but seriously man, a QB needs to be a leader.... Why these character concerns don't matter to you I don't understand.
Had everyone of told me Rosen has no character concerns I would say take him #1, now. But after the massive amount of people that told me every NFL team needs to stay far away from him, obviously I have to be skeptical. I guess you also think Manziel's character concern's were "nonsense". That worked out for us well.
I don't get how there's "massive amount of people saying to stay away" I don't find any reports it, other than a few from 2016 or before the 2017 season even started, and even those were more speculating on his immature attitude and leadership than actually critiquing anything about his chances as an NFL QB or how rotten of a teammate he is. I think Aaron Rogers had similar "issues" and he's been ok thus far.Ā
Comparing Rosen to Manziel is completely absurd. Off the field... on the field.... they're nothing alike.Ā
On the plus side- Rosen is used to playing on a bad team. Mayfield and Darnold? Not so much
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