Josh Rosen?
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Intangibles and character are concerns for guys like jameis winston... Not rosen
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I think you are exaggerating a little. I think everyone's gripe with Mayfield is skill. I personally have a severe allergy to Big 12 QBs. They put up video game numbers and fall flat in the pros.
dude you're completely generalizing everything about him.....
he's crushing damn near every opponent. he's going to beat alabama and win the national championship. rosen can't even beat USC yet you all put him on such a high horse, his nickname, "the rosen one" already sticks. Sure, many Big 12 QB's have sucked, but it's still generalizing to completely compare Baker on what everyone else did. Manziel, Big 12 Qb's, everyone, while anyone who questions Rosen's character is immediately shunned simply because Baker is smaller, a Big 12 QB, and got in trouble once, and because Rosen is the prototypical NFL qb and makes quick reads.
Why didn't Stanford or USC want Rosen? Was he that much of an a$$hole? Stanford was him dream school and he was the #1 prospect out of high school, yet they didn't want him, but you think the Browns should take him #1.
I don't question his skill or talent, just his intangibles and character, which apparently mean everything to me after the manziel fiasco, and mean absolutely nothing to you. If we choose him and he busts because of his character, I'm sure everyone would still say we "made the right call".
The amount of people from UCLA talking negatively about him is staggering. Don't blame me for playing devil's advocate when everyone I know at his college is trying to convince me he's the younger, football version of Kenny Powers.
dude you're completely generalizing everything about him.....
he's crushing damn near every opponent. he's going to beat alabama and win the national championship. rosen can't even beat USC yet you all put him on such a high horse, his nickname, "the rosen one" already sticks. Sure, many Big 12 QB's have sucked, but it's still generalizing to completely compare Baker on what everyone else did. Manziel, Big 12 Qb's, everyone, while anyone who questions Rosen's character is immediately shunned simply because Baker is smaller, a Big 12 QB, and got in trouble once, and because Rosen is the prototypical NFL qb and makes quick reads.
Why didn't Stanford or USC want Rosen? Was he that much of an a$$hole? Stanford was him dream school and he was the #1 prospect out of high school, yet they didn't want him, but you think the Browns should take him #1.
I don't question his skill or talent, just his intangibles and character, which apparently mean everything to me after the manziel fiasco, and mean absolutely nothing to you. If we choose him and he busts because of his character, I'm sure everyone would still say we "made the right call".
The amount of people from UCLA talking negatively about him is staggering. Don't blame me for playing devil's advocate when everyone I know at his college is trying to convince me he's the younger, football version of Kenny Powers.
You are super sensitive about this because I haven’t chimed in about a damn thing. You are attributing things to me that haven’t happened at all.
I am anti-Mayfield due to Big 12. No thanks. That doesn’t mean I must like Rosen.
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I haven’t watched enough of the QBs to make a call on who I would prefer.
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It won't let me quote but Jesus how many times can I say the same thing that you won't listen to stillmotion?
-Mora and his teammates have noted they respect him and he turned a corner this season. I literally quoted the dude as much, did you care not to read That? Stop being a baby and overreacting to the amount of people talking bad about him. The word shocking is just a balled faced lie. The only people I care about who need to like him are coaches and teammates, who have said they do.
-he hasn't had any conflict all season. Could it possibly be a 20 year old grew up some? Shocker!
-to say a QB alone should elevate a team to 10 plus wins is absurd and plainly dumb. Come the fudge on with that crap. It shows you haven't watched the ucla games if you think he could do much more than he did.
That s not blinders, that's facts. You should really examine who has the blinders on friend.
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It won't let me quote but Jesus how many times can I say the same thing that you won't listen to stillmotion?
-Mora and his teammates have noted they respect him and he turned a corner this season. I literally quoted the dude as much, did you care not to read That? Stop being a baby and overreacting to the amount of people talking bad about him. The word shocking is just a balled faced lie. The only people I care about who need to like him are coaches and teammates, who have said they do.
-he hasn't had any conflict all season. Could it possibly be a 20 year old grew up some? Shocker!
-to say a QB alone should elevate a team to 10 plus wins is absurd and plainly dumb. Come the fudge on with that crap. It shows you haven't watched the ucla games if you think he could do much more than he did.
That s not blinders, that's facts. You should really examine who has the blinders on friend.
It won't let me quote but Jesus how many times can I say the same thing that you won't listen to stillmotion?
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Right back at ya smartmouth. We disagree, but you are getting a self-wedgie over it. Just go with it.
-Mora and his teammates have noted they respect him and he turned a corner this season. I literally quoted the dude as much, did you care not to read That? Stop being a baby and overreacting to the amount of people talking bad about him. The word shocking is just a balled faced lie. The only people I care about who need to like him are coaches and teammates, who have said they do.
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Yet, he could have toned it down long enough to not hurt his draft status, but let him become ultra-rich, and the real mouth controverial fan-bashing, coach-ignoring a*** will come right back out again. Read up on how Ryan Leaf got millions and REALLY became the bad Ryan Leaf. Here: (now tell me there isn't anything here that has a similarity to the kind of person Rosen is)
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-ryan-leaf-20170311-story.html
-he hasn't had any conflict all season. Could it possibly be a 20 year old grew up some? Shocker!
-to say a QB alone should elevate a team to 10 plus wins is absurd and plainly dumb. Come the fudge on with that crap. It shows you haven't watched the ucla games if you think he could do much more than he did.
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I just freaking posted it earlier. Rosen bashed fans with signs wanting Mura to be fired. Who wants to pay a multi-million dollar mouth who alienates fans? maybe the media? maybe half his locker room? That was a conflict. This year.
That s not blinders, that's facts. You should really examine who has the blinders on friend.
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The irony here is really great. LOL
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It won't let me quote but Jesus how many times can I say the same thing that you won't listen to stillmotion?
-Mora and his teammates have noted they respect him and he turned a corner this season. I literally quoted the dude as much, did you care not to read That? Stop being a baby and overreacting to the amount of people talking bad about him. The word shocking is just a balled faced lie. The only people I care about who need to like him are coaches and teammates, who have said they do.
-he hasn't had any conflict all season. Could it possibly be a 20 year old grew up some? Shocker!
-to say a QB alone should elevate a team to 10 plus wins is absurd and plainly dumb. Come the fudge on with that crap. It shows you haven't watched the ucla games if you think he could do much more than he did.
That s not blinders, that's facts. You should really examine who has the blinders on friend.
-Mora and his teammates have noted they respect him and he turned a corner this season. I literally quoted the dude as much, did you care not to read That? Stop being a baby and overreacting to the amount of people talking bad about him. The word shocking is just a balled faced lie. The only people I care about who need to like him are coaches and teammates, who have said they do.
Mora has to say that because he was his damn coach. You don't throw a twenty some year old under the bus.
-he hasn't had any conflict all season. Could it possibly be a 20 year old grew up some? Shocker!
Doesn't mean he isn't an immature pooper either. Maybe if one person I knew met him didn't have something bad to say about him, I'd like his character a bit more.
-to say a QB alone should elevate a team to 10 plus wins is absurd and plainly dumb. Come the fudge on with that crap. It shows you haven't watched the ucla games if you think he could do much more than he did.
True great QB's find ways to win close games. Maybe he's matured slightly, but i'd rather have someone who everyone who's supposed to be a fan of doesn't hate. When's the last time you've heard of all of your friends from a college, literally hate the starting college quarerback? That's literally unheard of.... When's the last time you've heard a college professor of his say "that kid sucks"? He's a twenty something yuppie who was spoonfed and told he was great his whole life. He talks backs to pro QB's like trent dilfer, brings a hot tub in his dorm and can't get a girlfriend in his own state. If he didn't treat Dilfer with respect, he sure as hell wouldn't treat you with respect. Do you think he'd treat Browns fans with respect? He'd probably pull an Elway, and then you'd defend him saying, "He had to do it, he did whats best for him and I respect it!"
You sound like a Rosen fanboy now defending him. He couldn't even beat USC. ever. Make excuses for him all you want, but the kid isn't a leader. He's a good quarterback, but very likely to be a locker room cancer and definitely not a leader.
They all say Hundley was LIGHT YEARS better than him. newsflash, I never heard over 60 of my friends say a bad word about Hundley.
You say, "oh you overreact to people saying bad things about him", but maybe it's you who fails to see the fatal flaw in him.
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Mora discussed his conversation with Rosen in the aftermath of the controversy on Wednesday's
."(It was) a very, very productive conversation," Mora said. "... When you express these opinions, you create perceptions, you create controversy, there are those who will agree with you, those that won't agree with you, and you have to be willing to live with the consequences. As a college student, a young person, someone who is growing up and maturing, it's important that at every opportunity, we teach them how to manage their lives."
It's not the first time Mora has counseled Rosen about the image the junior has created as a two-year starter for the Bruins.
CFB 24/7 is marking the days to the start of the 2017 season by counting down the top 25 players in college football.
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1. USC QB Sam Darnold
2. Penn State RB Saquon Barkley
3. FSU S Derwin James
4. LSU OLB Arden Key
5. LSU RB Derrius Guice
6. Wyoming QB Josh Allen
7. Boston College DE Harold Landry
8. Houston DT Ed Oliver
9. Louisville QB Lamar Jackson
10. Texas OT Connor Williams
11. Clemson DL Christian Wilkins
12. UCLA QB Josh Rosen
13. Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield
14. Alabama DB Minkah Fitzpatrick
15. Clemson DT Dexter Lawrence
16. FSU CB Tarvarus McFadden
17. N.C. State DE Bradley Chubb
18. Alabama WR Calvin Ridley
19. Oklahoma OT Orlando Brown
20. Washington DT Vita Vea
21. Texas A&M WR Christian Kirk
22. SMU WR Courtland Sutton
23. Alabama DT Da'Ron Payne
24. Alabama RB Bo Scarbrough
25. Texas LB Malik Jefferson
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rosen might go the Elway-Manning route and refuse to play for the Browns anyways - just not
the right pick for the Browns - too bad, he certainly has the arm, he just doesn't have the class.
If only your standards were half as high for picking a President...
So...he is not #1 because no one is #1.
I heard somewhere that Rudolf is #1.
If only your standards were half as high for picking a President...
Trust me Tour, the irony has not been lost on me either.
This anti-Rosen crusade by calfox is so laughably agenda-driven by him that Fox News would find it embarrassing.
And I don't even think concern about Rosen's intangibles isn't somewhat legit... I'm still on the fence with him at this point, but come on, man.
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Rosen is nothing if not sure of himself, which he says is why he has clashed with adults and coaches over the years. He also admits he's not the most beloved guy on the UCLA sorority scene. "I have a superiority complex I need to get rid of," he says. "Girls that I am really good homies with tell me about how often they have to defend my image to girls that don't know me." Earlier in the day he described what he's looking for in a future partner: "My wife is going to be a fighter. I need someone to tell me to f‑‑‑ off every once in a while." While noting that the demands of football don't leave him enough time for a girlfriend, he acknowledged, "I'm not mature enough right now."
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I had rosen off my list for character reasons long before I found out about the hat thing. Does using that excuse for me
disagreeing with you help you feel better or what? If he wore an "Obama is a marxist war criminal" hat, I'd feel the same way about him - negative attention is good attention to him. because he is an "a****e" LIke I posted, he even admits it to a point. Truth is, you ignore it because you agree with him, and if he had a hat like I noted above, you would be outraged.
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If only your standards were half as high for picking a President...
Trust me Tour, the irony has not been lost on me either.
This anti-Rosen crusade by calfox is so laughably agenda-driven by him that Fox News would find it embarrassing.
And I don't even think concern about Rosen's intangibles isn't somewhat legit... I'm still on the fence with him at this point, but come on, man.
Trust me Tour, the irony has not been lost on me either.
This anti-Rosen crusade by calfox is so laughably agenda-driven by him that Fox News would find it embarrassing.
This thread is about what's wrong with Josh Rosen.
It's nothing that has to do with his QB play, and everything about his character.
If the kid ends up being an a$$hole beyond Manziel caliber, I expect apologies from all of you who were so naive, you didn't even consider he could bust because of it.
You consider Mayfield might be a bust, but not Rosen, whom even his professors and fans say is an arrogant pr1ck.
We talk about Mayfield being a bust but not Rosen being a bust regarding his character because you're all biased that Rosen will be the golden boy who saves the Browns.
None of you addressed why both Stanford and USC wouldn't let him in even thought he was the #1 Prospect. Just imagine how much of an a$$hole the kid must be.
And some of you are so naive, you expect a millionaire spoonfed QB to accept going to the Cleveland Browns and playing in the cold and leading us to championships?
Rosen would either bust, or pull an Elway.
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Trust me Tour, the irony has not been lost on me either.
This anti-Rosen crusade by calfox is so laughably agenda-driven by him that Fox News would find it embarrassing.
This thread is about what's wrong with Josh Rosen.
It's nothing that has to do with his QB play, and everything about his character.
If the kid ends up being an a$$hole beyond Manziel caliber, I expect apologies from all of you who were so naive, you didn't even consider he could bust because of it.
You consider Mayfield might be a bust, but not Rosen, whom even his professors and fans say is an arrogant pr1ck.
We talk about Mayfield being a bust but not Rosen being a bust regarding his character because you're all biased that Rosen will be the golden boy who saves the Browns.
None of you addressed why both Stanford and USC wouldn't let him in even thought he was the #1 Prospect. Just imagine how much of an a$$hole the kid must be.
And some of you are so naive, you expect a millionaire spoonfed QB to accept going to the Cleveland Browns and playing in the cold and leading us to championships?
Rosen would either bust, or pull an Elway.
This thread is about what's wrong with Josh Rosen.
It's nothing that has to do with his QB play, and everything about his character.
If the kid ends up being an a$$hole beyond Manziel caliber, I expect apologies from all of you who were so naive, you didn't even consider he could bust because of it.
You consider Mayfield might be a bust, but not Rosen, whom even his professors and fans say is an arrogant pr1ck.
We talk about Mayfield being a bust but not Rosen being a bust regarding his character because you're all biased that Rosen will be the golden boy who saves the Browns.
None of you addressed why both Stanford and USC wouldn't let him in even thought he was the #1 Prospect. Just imagine how much of an a$$hole the kid must be.
And some of you are so naive, you expect a millionaire spoonfed QB to accept going to the Cleveland Browns and playing in the cold and leading us to championships?
Rosen would either bust, or pull an Elway.
I've mentioned my concerns about Rosen's character. I've mentioned my concerns about Mayfield's character.
There's a reason I haven't come out and said "SO AND SO IS MY GUY FOR THE #1 PICK".
So at this point, I'm sticking with on-the-field attributes until (hopefully) I can feel confident about the character of whoever.
This being said, on-the-field, I'll take Rosen over Mayfield every day, and twice on Sundays.
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Snowflake Republicans don’t like him because he wore a Shmuck Trump bandana on a Trump Golf Course and because it pains them to see wealthy white Americans vote with their brains instead of their wallets.
Theyll find something to nitpick over but, as always, their arguments are weak and carry no actual water.
Thats all this is.
The guy is the best passer in the draft, he’s succeeded in spite of a pretty awful team, he’s intelligent and he’s not a pussy who’s afraid to speak on what he’s passionate about. He deserves to be the #1 pick.
I just dont know if we’ll be the ones making that pick.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Snowflake Republicans don’t like him because he wore a Shmuck Trump bandana on a Trump Golf Course and because it pains them to see wealthy white Americans vote with their brains instead of their wallets.
Theyll find something to nitpick over but, as always, their arguments are weak and carry no actual water.
Thats all this is.
The guy is the best passer in the draft, he’s succeeded in spite of a pretty awful team, he’s intelligent and he’s not a pussy who’s afraid to speak on what he’s passionate about. He deserves to be the #1 pick.
I just dont know if we’ll be the ones making that pick.
Snowflake Republicans don’t like him because he wore a Shmuck Trump bandana on a Trump Golf Course and because it pains them to see wealthy white Americans vote with their brains instead of their wallets.
Theyll find something to nitpick over but, as always, their arguments are weak and carry no actual water.
Thats all this is.
That was getting around to my next point because it's clear that's the case. Call me crazy, but I just want a damn good QB.
And no still, you self quoting your "friends" isn't going to change my mind. Come on now. All my friends say Rosen is a great dude, and I have over 100. Sounds pretty unbelievable? Yeah..
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intestesting, since I posted about Rosen himself admitting he has a bad reputation for being a jerk.
No thanks. A darn good qb - Ryan Leaf? nope. Jimmy Claussen? nope. etc
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Has anyone elses esteem of rosen risen with every cal post? Srsly cal u should stop posting the kids words cause he sounds better and better with every post. He's obviously not a little my sht dont stink weasel. The kid is upfront about deficiencies
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Damn, still motion, mayfield must’ve hit your prostate just right.
The most amusing part is that you’re railing against Rosen based on character issues that he’s an alleged arsehole, but moan in ecstasy over a guy who got arrested for being a drunkard that ran from the cops.
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The trouble is, one drunken night - just a mistake in partying? just that once?
that isn't a lifetime of being a jerk. But Mayfield's behavior is also bringing about questions.
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Is rosen a pro on and off the field? Does he have any vice's that may take him off the field? Those are the only questions that matter. Brady is a reknowned coksucker too but nobody cares cause he wins. "So far" rosen has to be looked at as the best pure pocket passer coming out since luck.
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