Josh Rosen?
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no, but between Darnold and unchosen rosie, I'd pick Darnold every single time.
But obviously, Josh Allen is my perfect qb, except he isn't quite as polished as Darnold, and it isn't just some of us,
isn't just me, that says the same exact thing about rosen rosie thornbutt
no, but between Darnold and unchosen rosie, I'd pick Darnold every single time.
But obviously, Josh Allen is my perfect qb, except he isn't quite as polished as Darnold, and it isn't just some of us,
isn't just me, that says the same exact thing about rosen rosie thornbutt
If anyone needs a reminder- ESPN Friday 4PM. Tune in to see the white Deshone Kizer in action. Plays just like him, and is about as accurate...
But he's a high character guy- just like you know who.
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A. Yes the Big 12 plays soft D.
B. TCU is not a rebuttal of this fact. Even in Texas, everyone acknowledges it.
C. He's not winning the national championship. (unfortunately for him he'll have to beat two teams better than Iowa State.)
RE: Mayfield- Oklahoma beat Ohio State- badly. Homerism aside, they're a tad better than Iowa State.
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If you guys would just admit "I recognize there are a zillion red flags around the kid, but he's so good I want him anyway," I'd respect the position. But to sit here and act like Rosen is the height of maturity and responsibility is absurd.
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If you guys would just admit "I recognize there are a zillion red flags around the kid, but he's so good I want him anyway," I'd respect the position. But to sit here and act like Rosen is the height of maturity and responsibility is absurd.
If you guys would just admit "I recognize there are a zillion red flags around the kid, but he's so good I want him anyway," I'd respect the position. But to sit here and act like Rosen is the height of maturity and responsibility is absurd.
For one, I'm not overlooking the negative reports War. But to compare Rosen to Manziel? Crazy- It's way early. By April, we'll know if any of these guys have unpaid parking tickets, or don't tip waitresses in restaurants. The major prospects haven't played in their Bowl games yet- and you can bet I'll be watching. We won't even know for a month which of the underclass guys are going to declare. Then there's the combine and individual workouts. In their respective draft classes in December, most pundits didn't have either Wentz or Trubisky in the first round, much less top 5. We know how that turned out.
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He's still a RB in a passing league. It could very well happen, actually.
Doubtful. People see what subtracting elliot has meant to the cowboys. Dak sht gold last year, this year?.....not so much. Wuts the diff? Its elliot. A RB that forces 8 men into the box opens up all kinds of passing lanes. Made dak what he was last year. So u can call it a passing league but if u have no run game whatsoever teams just drop an extra guy back.
Doubtful. People see what subtracting elliot has meant to the cowboys. Dak sht gold last year, this year?.....not so much. Wuts the diff? Its elliot. A RB that forces 8 men into the box opens up all kinds of passing lanes. Made dak what he was last year. So u can call it a passing league but if u have no run game whatsoever teams just drop an extra guy back.
Barkley isn't half the back Zeke is. Zeke dominated every single game except the one they lost to MSU. Then he crushed it in the playoffs. I was very interested in Barkley early, but he seems way overhyped. He doesn't get 150+ yds a game or rush for a huge YPC like Zeke and Fournette etc. He's disappeared in a lot of games this season. Here in CA, they love Rashaad Penny and it'll be interesting to see if he fares compared to Barkley.
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I would never compare Mayfield to Manziel, as I believe Johnny was on an entirely different level, but I can definitely understand why OUR team would have a heightened sense of apprehension. I mean, my God...can you just IMAGINE if we drafted Mayfield and he somehow turned out to be an irresponsible party-boy who didn't work hard and ultimately failed because of his excessive ways? Our franchise might just officially blow up.
That being said, IF we somehow were to draft Mayfield, I feel confident that we would've done a TON of research and concluded that he was as safe as any kid could be to draft. After all, we need to remember that these ARE KIDS, and one can only be so sure of their work ethic and decision-making skills. I know it's not very scientific, but Mayfield just seems to have that "it factor" that so many people like to talk about, and I know it's a cop-out description, but it's how I feel. Is it enough to warrant picking him over a 6'4, 218 pound Rosen who throws a gorgeous ball and seems to handle a crumbling pocket well? Eh, I doubt it.
As I've written before, I think Lamar Jackson bares some consideration too, and don't be surprised if he's the guy that rapidly ascends up people's draft boards. I'm not really sure he's a good fit for US because he strikes me as more of a "project type QB", I still believe his physical abilities are going to make some GM go bananas....especially after the combine. After his bowl game, I'd guarantee that Lamar is going to work with some QB guru, and if he can get some of his mechanics ironed out and puts on a show at the combine and his pro day, he's going to go VERY high. Some believe Lamar is too slender and he'll get snapped like a twig when he takes the first shot to his legs, but I don't see that happening. If Lamar goes to a team that has some offensive weapons and an OC with some imagination, I could see him being a nightmare.
Why don't I like Sam Darnold? Is it because I watched his first 4 games of the season and came away unimpressed? Is that fair to him? Obviously I see the physical talent, but there's something about the guy that I don't like.
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So who do I listen to on Rosen? His coach from UCLA with major NFL connections that thinks he's supersmart and an ideal pocket passer for the NFL or some internet guy that thinks 2nd rate Allen is the be all end all of QB prospects.
Tough choice.
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If you guys would just admit "I recognize there are a zillion red flags around the kid, but he's so good I want him anyway," I'd respect the position. But to sit here and act like Rosen is the height of maturity and responsibility is absurd.
If you guys would just admit "I recognize there are a zillion red flags around the kid, but he's so good I want him anyway," I'd respect the position. But to sit here and act like Rosen is the height of maturity and responsibility is absurd.
War, this is exactly the point I've been making a bunch in this thread. Yes, the kid isn't as clean as a whistle but his "indiscretions" break down to:
-Wearing a stupid hat
-Making an articulate point about an issue where many people agree, although maybe could have not been said at all.
-Defending his coach against a moron fan
Everything else is nothing but heresay unless you really want to buy into stillmotions "60 friends say he sucks" bullcrap. Tell me then, how is that "a zillion red flags"? It simply isn't, and has been noted it's hard knowing this objective reality to think people are against the kid because he's wealthy and outspoken. His coach has said he's respected on several occasions, and all the chatter about him is nothing but opinionated tabloid crap.
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Who do I want as the Browns' QB, the polite young man who is the leading turnover machine in the NFL by a wide margin or the brash bright kid with total pocket awareness & presence who, to the best of my knowledge, has not been swan swimming in Vegas or muff diving in Hawaii (not that there's anything wrong with that
)?
I'll take Rosen for $1000 Alex.
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no, but between Darnold and unchosen rosie, I'd pick Darnold every single time.
But obviously, Josh Allen is my perfect qb, except he isn't quite as polished as Darnold, and it isn't just some of us,
isn't just me, that says the same exact thing about rosen rosie thornbutt
no, but between Darnold and unchosen rosie, I'd pick Darnold every single time.
But obviously, Josh Allen is my perfect qb, except he isn't quite as polished as Darnold, and it isn't just some of us,
isn't just me, that says the same exact thing about rosen rosie thornbutt
Except that from what I have seen....it is more likely that Darnold would be the Ryan Leaf to Rosen's Payton Manning. Or, he would basically be Matt Leinert Jr.
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mcshay is an idiot. He's got barkley dropping to 6. Dont get me wrong id beat off to getting darnold or rosen and somehow still landing barkley. But barkley isnt making it past indy or sf.
mcshay is an idiot. He's got barkley dropping to 6. Dont get me wrong id beat off to getting darnold or rosen and somehow still landing barkley. But barkley isnt making it past indy or sf.
I kind of disagree.....Barkley may be another Blair Thomas, Curtis Enis, Kijana Carter....or to put it in Browns terms....the next Trent Richardson.
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If you guys would just admit "I recognize there are a zillion red flags around the kid, but he's so good I want him anyway," I'd respect the position. But to sit here and act like Rosen is the height of maturity and responsibility is absurd.
War, this is exactly the point I've been making a bunch in this thread. Yes, the kid isn't as clean as a whistle but his "indiscretions" break down to:
-Wearing a stupid hat
-Making an articulate point about an issue where many people agree, although maybe could have not been said at all.
-Defending his coach against a moron fan
Everything else is nothing but heresay unless you really want to buy into stillmotions "60 friends say he sucks" bullcrap. Tell me then, how is that "a zillion red flags"? It simply isn't, and has been noted it's hard knowing this objective reality to think people are against the kid because he's wealthy and outspoken. His coach has said he's respected on several occasions, and all the chatter about him is nothing but opinionated tabloid crap.
War, this is exactly the point I've been making a bunch in this thread. Yes, the kid isn't as clean as a whistle but his "indiscretions" break down to:
-Wearing a stupid hat
-Making an articulate point about an issue where many people agree, although maybe could have not been said at all.
-Defending his coach against a moron fan
Everything else is nothing but heresay unless you really want to buy into stillmotions "60 friends say he sucks" bullcrap. Tell me then, how is that "a zillion red flags"? It simply isn't, and has been noted it's hard knowing this objective reality to think people are against the kid because he's wealthy and outspoken. His coach has said he's respected on several occasions, and all the chatter about him is nothing but opinionated tabloid crap.
Being in a hot tub with a half naked chick.
You tell me...I don't think she is wearing a bottom.
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If you guys would just admit "I recognize there are a zillion red flags around the kid, but he's so good I want him anyway," I'd respect the position. But to sit here and act like Rosen is the height of maturity and responsibility is absurd.
If you guys would just admit "I recognize there are a zillion red flags around the kid, but he's so good I want him anyway," I'd respect the position. But to sit here and act like Rosen is the height of maturity and responsibility is absurd.
You're the one promoting the conspiracy theory. You want to prove he's a head case? Have at it, hoss.
But it's your job to prove your assertion item by item, not just claim randomness.
You need to demonstrate verifiable EVENTS ---- not "i heard someone say something" or "Everyone knows he's" or "There's a zillion red flags".
Of course you don't mention any specific item that is said or any specific item that everyone knows or any specific red flag...... because all those lies fall apart under strict scrutiny.
I don't believe or personally spread gossip -- rather, I think gossip points solely at the person making the assertion as someone who's not trustworthy now or ever in the future.
The reason Schiano didn't get the UT job is because McQueary is good at lying....... not because of something Schiano did.
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Rosen might not even play in the bowl game. Still in concussion protocol.
Let's see if he decides to stay in school with chip Kelly or go to the NFL.
I'm guessing it's the NFL
Rosen might not even play in the bowl game. Still in concussion protocol.
Let's see if he decides to stay in school with chip Kelly or go to the NFL.
I'm guessing it's the NFL
I thought he was a senior with no eligibility remaining. Even if not...why would he stay if he is being considered for the #1 overall? How much higher than that can you get?
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Rosen might not even play in the bowl game. Still in concussion protocol.
Let's see if he decides to stay in school with chip Kelly or go to the NFL.
I'm guessing it's the NFL
I thought he was a senior with no eligibility remaining. Even if not...why would he stay if he is being considered for the #1 overall? How much higher than that can you get?
I thought he was a senior with no eligibility remaining. Even if not...why would he stay if he is being considered for the #1 overall? How much higher than that can you get?
Nah Gip, Rosen is a junior. The rumors of him (almost certainly) leaving are about if he can coexist in a Chip Kelly offense.
PS, Sam Darnold is a red shirt sophomore.... Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are juniors. Mason Rudolph and Baker Mayfield are the seniors.....
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If you guys would just admit "I recognize there are a zillion red flags around the kid, but he's so good I want him anyway," I'd respect the position. But to sit here and act like Rosen is the height of maturity and responsibility is absurd.
If you guys would just admit "I recognize there are a zillion red flags around the kid, but he's so good I want him anyway," I'd respect the position. But to sit here and act like Rosen is the height of maturity and responsibility is absurd.
Why would we admit something that we do not find to be true? But nice straw-man follow up...
War, this is exactly the point I've been making a bunch in this thread. Yes, the kid isn't as clean as a whistle but his "indiscretions" break down to:
-Wearing a stupid hat
-Making an articulate point about an issue where many people agree, although maybe could have not been said at all.
-Defending his coach against a moron fan
Everything else is nothing but heresay unless you really want to buy into stillmotions "60 friends say he sucks" bullcrap. Tell me then, how is that "a zillion red flags"? It simply isn't, and has been noted it's hard knowing this objective reality to think people are against the kid because he's wealthy and outspoken. His coach has said he's respected on several occasions, and all the chatter about him is nothing but opinionated tabloid crap.
Agree and add that many other documented "red flags" have been either rescinded or debunked.
Example of the former is Dilfer's criticism of the High-school kid who attended his camp vs. his embrace of the collegian who returned to help instruct in it.
Example of the latter is Stanford passing over him for personality reasons. The Stanford HC is on record saying they took no QB the year Josh graduated HS because of "scholarship considerations", a/k/a they had plenty of QBs already rostered.
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I think it's fair to say that both Rosen and Mayfield have douchebag tendencies personality-wise, but IMO neither seem to have character issues that will torpedo their careers like a certain ex-Browns QB.
If my opinion is correct, then I would feel very confident taking Rosen #1 overall. On-the-field, I like him better.
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I think it's fair to say that both Rosen and Mayfield have douchebag tendencies personality-wise, but IMO neither seem to have character issues that will torpedo their careers like a certain ex-Browns QB.
If my opinion is correct, then I would feel very confident taking Rosen #1 overall. On-the-field, I like him better.
I think it's fair to say that both Rosen and Mayfield have douchebag tendencies personality-wise, but IMO neither seem to have character issues that will torpedo their careers like a certain ex-Browns QB.
What's not fair to say is that their tendencies have the same root cause.
One's, Mayfield's, stem from a lack a self-control. The other's, Rosen's, stem from a lack of self-awareness.
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