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Vita Vea and Danny Shelton would be a more talented Siragusa and Adams.

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  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @skippinturtles said:

    Undersized pass rush D-Lineman getting manhandled by average sized O-Lineman allow pocket QB's all day to throw.  Make them block monsters up the middle then bring the pain from every angle.  D-Line trumps secondary.  Can't cover without pressure.  Also, this team could have drafted Reuben Foster or Malik Hooker.  They clearly had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed potential coming out.  Or keep trading down until all the best prospects are off the board.

    Off the top of my head -  Aaron Donald,  Campbell, Easley,  Mike Daniels, Cox, Grady Garrett and Sheldon Richardson might have a beef with what you just said.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    Off the top of my head -  Aaron Donald,  Campbell, Easley,  Mike Daniels, Cox, Grady Garrett and Sheldon Richardson might have a beef with what you just said.  

    Exceptions to the rule.  High motor great athletes.  Stuff the middle.  Go speculate on fringe pro prospects.

  • S SkippinTurtles

    @tiamat63 said:

    Off the top of my head -  Aaron Donald,  Campbell, Easley,  Mike Daniels, Cox, Grady Garrett and Sheldon Richardson might have a beef with what you just said.  

    Exceptions to the rule.  High motor great athletes.  Stuff the middle.  Go speculate on fringe pro prospects.

    @skippinturtles said:

    Exceptions to the rule.  High motor great athletes.  Stuff the middle and speculate on fringe college prospects.

    Drew Brees is an exception to a rule.  Russel Wilson is an exception to a rule.     Know why? They're are so Shmucking few exceptions.     

    Meanwhile I can go back as far as my memory will take me with football to talking about John Randle saying it was his job to sack Brett Favre, even when he wasn't playing the Pack.   There is a LONG history of undersized interior lineman using their quicks, strength and balance to terrorize offensive lineman.      Meanwhile there are plenty "great athletes" that don't pan out at a ton of positions.      You have next to nothing to back up your argument.    Meanwhile I can still toss out names like Atkins, Bosa, Bennett, Williams on a second round of thought just to further prove mine.

    Next.  

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  • C Clevfan4life

    @tiamat63 said:

    Not so sure about that right now.  

    I thought I read Hurst is projected mid'ish 1st round....

    @clevfan4life said:

    I thought I read Hurst is projected mid'ish 1st round....

    We wouldn't need to take him at Houston's pick, but he won't get out of the first. 

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • In 2016 draft watched Falcons start building a defense with first 2 picks. At #17 a Safty Keanu Neal. 2nd Round pick #52 a OLB from LSU that can Cover than bang a ball carrier,Deion Jones(did ya watch saints/falcons?) We still need both & Peppers out of centerfield..

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  • Being able to attack an offensive line starts up the middle.  If they can single block your tackles, your edge rushers are facing more double-teams.  Less pass-rush = more time in coverage.  Get the D-Line right and then address the secondary.  All the top defensive backs in this draft class are 4.5 40 guys with no ball skills.  No Aaron Donald's in this class either.  Draft Vea and push the pocket for the next decade.

  • S SkippinTurtles

    Being able to attack an offensive line starts up the middle.  If they can single block your tackles, your edge rushers are facing more double-teams.  Less pass-rush = more time in coverage.  Get the D-Line right and then address the secondary.  All the top defensive backs in this draft class are 4.5 40 guys with no ball skills.  No Aaron Donald's in this class either.  Draft Vea and push the pocket for the next decade.

    @skippinturtles said:

    1. Being able to attack an offensive line starts up the middle. 
    2. Get the D-Line right and then address the secondary. 
    3. No Aaron Donald's in this class either.

    So it's as easy as 1-2-3.... except there is no #3 at the end of the rainbow?

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @skippinturtles said:

    1. Being able to attack an offensive line starts up the middle. 
    2. Get the D-Line right and then address the secondary. 
    3. No Aaron Donald's in this class either.

    So it's as easy as 1-2-3.... except there is no #3 at the end of the rainbow?

    @tour2ma said:

    So it's as easy as 1-2-3.... except there is no #3 at the end of the rainbow?

    Vea is the alternative to Aaron Donald.  Donald is ideal for his size.  Vea is also ideal for his size.  Just a different approach to address a position lacking great pure athletes.  This defense needs athletes who can play.

  • Myles Garrett would get 20 sacks a year playing next to Vea and Shelton.

  • Vita Vea is the next Haloti Ngata.  Put him next to Danny Shelton and watch them destroy for a decade.  Stationary QB's can't step up in the pocket.  Teams can't run up the middle ever.  Nice start to a perpetual rebuild.

    tiamat63T 1 Reply

  • Alright Mrs. Vea, you've made your point.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • S SkippinTurtles

    Vita Vea is the next Haloti Ngata.  Put him next to Danny Shelton and watch them destroy for a decade.  Stationary QB's can't step up in the pocket.  Teams can't run up the middle ever.  Nice start to a perpetual rebuild.

    @skippinturtles said:

    Vita Vea is the next Haloti Ngata.  Put him next to Danny Shelton and watch them destroy for a decade.  Stationary QB's can't step up in the pocket.  Teams can't run up the middle ever.  Nice start to a perpetual rebuild.

    Ngata he is not.  

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