Vita Vea and Danny Shelton would be a more talented Siragusa and Adams.
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Bear defense ftw
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For the record, was anyone here a fan of Siragusa and Adams on the 2000 Ravens D. I get they were run-stuffers, but I think what they opened up for the rest of the defense made up for the lack of pass-rush. You can't double young Vea, Shelton and Garrett. Most O-Lines couldn't handle all 3. If any.
Don't think you're taking into consideration the evolution of the passing game in 17 years coupled with the fact our defense doesn't have Ray, Boulware, Sharper, Woodson or McAlister walking through that door.
Don't think you're taking into consideration the evolution of the passing game in 17 years coupled with the fact our defense doesn't have Ray, Boulware, Sharper, Woodson or McAlister walking through that door.
Undersized pass rush D-Lineman getting manhandled by average sized O-Lineman allow pocket QB's all day to throw. Make them block monsters up the middle then bring the pain from every angle. D-Line trumps secondary. Can't cover without pressure. Also, this team could have drafted Reuben Foster or Malik Hooker. They clearly had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed potential coming out. Or keep trading down until all the best prospects are off the board.
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Don't think you're taking into consideration the evolution of the passing game in 17 years coupled with the fact our defense doesn't have Ray, Boulware, Sharper, Woodson or McAlister walking through that door.
Undersized pass rush D-Lineman getting manhandled by average sized O-Lineman allow pocket QB's all day to throw. Make them block monsters up the middle then bring the pain from every angle. D-Line trumps secondary. Can't cover without pressure. Also, this team could have drafted Reuben Foster or Malik Hooker. They clearly had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed potential coming out. Or keep trading down until all the best prospects are off the board.
Undersized pass rush D-Lineman getting manhandled by average sized O-Lineman allow pocket QB's all day to throw. Make them block monsters up the middle then bring the pain from every angle. D-Line trumps secondary. Can't cover without pressure. Also, this team could have drafted Reuben Foster or Malik Hooker. They clearly had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed potential coming out. Or keep trading down until all the best prospects are off the board.
Off the top of my head - Aaron Donald, Campbell, Easley, Mike Daniels, Cox, Grady Garrett and Sheldon Richardson might have a beef with what you just said.
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i'd be happy with both but prob have to spend that 2nd 1st rounder on hurst.
Not so sure about that right now.
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i'd be happy with both but prob have to spend that 2nd 1st rounder on hurst.
Not so sure about that right now.
Not so sure about that right now.
I thought I read Hurst is projected mid'ish 1st round....
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I thought I read Hurst is projected mid'ish 1st round....
Well, I've watched Penn State, Florida and as I type vs Sparty. All this season. I see good Sheet here and there, but - I don't think I'm watching the next Aaron Donald either. Right now I'm just jotting down thoughts as I go. I'm sure I'll watch all these twice with the proper pauses and get into more detail then.
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I thought I read Hurst is projected mid'ish 1st round....
Well, I've watched Penn State, Florida and as I type vs Sparty. All this season. I see good Sheet here and there, but - I don't think I'm watching the next Aaron Donald either. Right now I'm just jotting down thoughts as I go. I'm sure I'll watch all these twice with the proper pauses and get into more detail then.
Well, I've watched Penn State, Florida and as I type vs Sparty. All this season. I see good Sheet here and there, but - I don't think I'm watching the next Aaron Donald either. Right now I'm just jotting down thoughts as I go. I'm sure I'll watch all these twice with the proper pauses and get into more detail then.
that phillips kid could be a later round steal. That guy is NFL strong right now.
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Well, I've watched Penn State, Florida and as I type vs Sparty. All this season. I see good Sheet here and there, but - I don't think I'm watching the next Aaron Donald either. Right now I'm just jotting down thoughts as I go. I'm sure I'll watch all these twice with the proper pauses and get into more detail then.
that phillips kid could be a later round steal. That guy is NFL strong right now.
that phillips kid could be a later round steal. That guy is NFL strong right now.
Well I'm looking more at players that can be interior pass rushers even if it just means subpackages. This defense desperately needs to be able to pressure the QB outside of sending a 5th & 6th man. Danny, Jobi, Coley, Jamie - they're all 1 gap pluggers. And you need those kind of boys, but I'm trying to find somebody like Brantley that might be able to come in and add to our rotation with interior penetration. That bigs with the swim moves. Harrison would be an upgrade over Meder without a question. I don't think he can turn his legs like Jobi or Coley.
I've got two videos going for comparison and I keep hearing about this Wilkins kid from Clemson and the 'stud' he is. Auburn appears to be handling him quite well.
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Undersized pass rush D-Lineman getting manhandled by average sized O-Lineman allow pocket QB's all day to throw. Make them block monsters up the middle then bring the pain from every angle. D-Line trumps secondary. Can't cover without pressure. Also, this team could have drafted Reuben Foster or Malik Hooker. They clearly had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed potential coming out. Or keep trading down until all the best prospects are off the board.
Off the top of my head - Aaron Donald, Campbell, Easley, Mike Daniels, Cox, Grady Garrett and Sheldon Richardson might have a beef with what you just said.
Off the top of my head - Aaron Donald, Campbell, Easley, Mike Daniels, Cox, Grady Garrett and Sheldon Richardson might have a beef with what you just said.
Exceptions to the rule. High motor great athletes. Stuff the middle. Go speculate on fringe pro prospects.
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Exceptions to the rule. High motor great athletes. Stuff the middle and speculate on fringe college prospects.
Drew Brees is an exception to a rule. Russel Wilson is an exception to a rule. Know why? They're are so Shmucking few exceptions.
Meanwhile I can go back as far as my memory will take me with football to talking about John Randle saying it was his job to sack Brett Favre, even when he wasn't playing the Pack. There is a LONG history of undersized interior lineman using their quicks, strength and balance to terrorize offensive lineman. Meanwhile there are plenty "great athletes" that don't pan out at a ton of positions. You have next to nothing to back up your argument. Meanwhile I can still toss out names like Atkins, Bosa, Bennett, Williams on a second round of thought just to further prove mine.
Next.
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I thought I read Hurst is projected mid'ish 1st round....
We wouldn't need to take him at Houston's pick, but he won't get out of the first.
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In 2016 draft watched Falcons start building a defense with first 2 picks. At #17 a Safty Keanu Neal. 2nd Round pick #52 a OLB from LSU that can Cover than bang a ball carrier,Deion Jones(did ya watch saints/falcons?) We still need both & Peppers out of centerfield..
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Being able to attack an offensive line starts up the middle. If they can single block your tackles, your edge rushers are facing more double-teams. Less pass-rush = more time in coverage. Get the D-Line right and then address the secondary. All the top defensive backs in this draft class are 4.5 40 guys with no ball skills. No Aaron Donald's in this class either. Draft Vea and push the pocket for the next decade.
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Being able to attack an offensive line starts up the middle. If they can single block your tackles, your edge rushers are facing more double-teams. Less pass-rush = more time in coverage. Get the D-Line right and then address the secondary. All the top defensive backs in this draft class are 4.5 40 guys with no ball skills. No Aaron Donald's in this class either. Draft Vea and push the pocket for the next decade.
- Being able to attack an offensive line starts up the middle.
- Get the D-Line right and then address the secondary.
- No Aaron Donald's in this class either.
So it's as easy as 1-2-3.... except there is no #3 at the end of the rainbow?
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- Being able to attack an offensive line starts up the middle.
- Get the D-Line right and then address the secondary.
- No Aaron Donald's in this class either.
So it's as easy as 1-2-3.... except there is no #3 at the end of the rainbow?
So it's as easy as 1-2-3.... except there is no #3 at the end of the rainbow?
Vea is the alternative to Aaron Donald. Donald is ideal for his size. Vea is also ideal for his size. Just a different approach to address a position lacking great pure athletes. This defense needs athletes who can play.
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Myles Garrett would get 20 sacks a year playing next to Vea and Shelton.
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Vita Vea is the next Haloti Ngata. Put him next to Danny Shelton and watch them destroy for a decade. Stationary QB's can't step up in the pocket. Teams can't run up the middle ever. Nice start to a perpetual rebuild.
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Alright Mrs. Vea, you've made your point.
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Vita Vea is the next Haloti Ngata. Put him next to Danny Shelton and watch them destroy for a decade. Stationary QB's can't step up in the pocket. Teams can't run up the middle ever. Nice start to a perpetual rebuild.
Vita Vea is the next Haloti Ngata. Put him next to Danny Shelton and watch them destroy for a decade. Stationary QB's can't step up in the pocket. Teams can't run up the middle ever. Nice start to a perpetual rebuild.
Ngata he is not.
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