The Browns are on the clock!

The Gipper

@poeticg said:

Say-Gone BARKLEY!

Game Changer.

We have 2 picks in the top 5 of the draft.

Nothing says we have to take the guy #1 overall.

Saigon Barkley? Yea, we could all be running for roofs hoping to get picked up by helicopters if we go with Saigon Barkley.

The Gipper

@orion said:

I watched some of that highlight real.

Barkley is good...and he's FAST. But that #10 guy seems to catch up to him before he reaches the end zone. #10 is WICKED fast.

We need a QB.

The QB trumps a RB. It's like the Queen to the Rook in chess.

We've gotta pick the best damn QB in this draft. And THEN work on the rest of the team. (I cannot overstate my position on this. Pretend I carved it in stone)

Myles Garrett was 'off the charts' better than anyone else in last year's draft. And do ya know how many touchdown passes he threw for us this year? Fuggin' None! We lost every fuggin' game this year because we can't throw a goddamn touchdown pass.

Interesting. Comparing football players to Chess pieces. Agree....that a QB is like the Queen. But I think that a WR is more like the Rook...unless it is a Duke Johnson type: hybrid RB/WR. RBs more often would be like the Bishop. And TEs would be the Knights. Naturally....the OL are the Pawns.

And the HC is the King. Not greatly in the game himself....but he directs everyone else.

TexasAg1969

@the-gipper said:

Interesting. Comparing football players to Chess pieces. Agree....that a QB is like the Queen. But I think that a WR is more like the Rook...unless it is a Duke Johnson type: hybrid RB/WR. RBs more often would be like the Bishop. And TEs would be the Knights. Naturally....the OL are the Pawns.

And the HC is the King. Not greatly in the game himself....but he directs everyone else.

That explains everything. The King keeps forgetting how to us his chess clock.

@westside-steve said:

True enough. And of course I wouldn't take him with the first pick. Just that if we have number 1 and number 4 he might still be there. I wouldn't be upset with Fitzgerald either. Giants will go quarterback. Who's next?

Also I'm not sure how much hype is involved. Still there would be some great DBs in the second round too.

WSS

3rd to pick would be the Colts if all remains the same after next weekend. And we would be 4th.

Orion

@the-gipper said:

But I think that a WR is more like the Rook

OK. They line up wide. (my thinking was as a straight ahead runner while the bishops weave their way down field)

Orion

@texasag1969 said:

3rd to pick would be the Colts if all remains the same after next weekend. And we would be 4th.

I'm not 100% certain, but I don't think it matters if the Colts win or lose (to the Colts that is). I think they remain picking 3rd due to strength of schedule.

And it may be possible for Houston to fall to #7 with a win against Indy (with the final changes being made to strength of schedule)

TexasAg1969

@orion said:

I'm not 100% certain, but I don't think it matters if the Colts win or lose (to the Colts that is). I think they remain picking 3rd due to strength of schedule.

And it may be possible for Houston to fall to #7 with a win against Indy (with the final changes being made to strength of schedule)

We are rooting for the Colts this week, but it just may not be in the cards. I don't think they can stop Houston's WR star DeAndre Hopkins.

jiggins7919

Hopkins continues to be one of the best receivers I've ever seen. God help the world if he played with Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. He just LOOKS different, ya know? He catches the ball so quickly and immediately runs with it. Craziness.

That being said, the Colts can definitely win. So what's the final verdict...if Colts win, where do we pick?

TexasAg1969

@jiggins7919 said:

Hopkins continues to be one of the best receivers I've ever seen. God help the world if he played with Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. He just LOOKS different, ya know? He catches the ball so quickly and immediately runs with it. Craziness.

That being said, the Colts can definitely win. So what's the final verdict...if Colts win, where do we pick?

If the Colts win they have the lower SOS so they pick before Houston and Houston before Tampa Bay even if they lose again.

EDIT: It will be interesting to see how many teams play their 2nd/3rd teamers to "tank" into a better pick this week. Too much calculus for this old guy to figure out.

Ghoolie

Sad. 0-15 Hue may be staying, and we are talking draft.

Koi unhurt by in

TexasAg1969

@ghoolie said:

Sad. 0-15 Hue may be staying, and we are talking draft.

Koi unhurt by in

Only Huey staying could make the Browns look more foolish that they already look. Where we get Houston's #1 is all that matters at this point in this foolish wasted season.

DieHardBrownsFan

@poeticg said:

I'll get to checking out this draft game and watching tape really soon but so far the only guy that I've seen that is transcendent looks like Saquon Barkley. He is the Anti-Crow, this kid really flys and man he's shifty AND fast- At the same time. Really like this RB. He brings another level. I would say that he's a Duke Johnson 3.14. Guys, he should be on our team in September. I'm going to look at these QBs but I'm thinking that Barkley is that player right now that you write down on the paper a little note to yourself- Open April 26th; "Barkley - No matter what" and tuck that mug into your pocket.

But is he another Trent Richardson?

thenew23

There is 1 thing the Browns havent tried since 1999... drafting a QB in the top half of the draft... hmmm.... maybe that could be the problem... considering the majority of great QBs all time have been drafted there... Not to mention our best QB of the v2.0 Browns was probably Tim Couch...

We "ruin" QBs because we draft crappy QBs... Let's TRY one of these top guys... what do you think?

The Gipper

@orion said:

OK. They line up wide. (my thinking was as a straight ahead runner while the bishops weave their way down field)

Rooks have more effect on any part of the board....where Bishops are limited to just one color square. WRs have more room to roam, like rooks.

The Gipper

@thenew23 said:

There is 1 thing the Browns havent tried since 1999... drafting a QB in the top half of the draft... hmmm.... maybe that could be the problem... considering the majority of great QBs all time have been drafted there... Not to mention our best QB of the v2.0 Browns was probably Tim Couch...

We "ruin" QBs because we draft crappy QBs... Let's TRY one of these top guys... what do you think?

Fair statement.

Clevfan4life

I'm happy with saquon with the 5th pick, or 4th whatever. I'm in no mood for anyone talking about saquon with the 1st. Fuk you. #1 is a qb, period!! We have some decent O line play now so as long as he doesn't have that insane Kizer fetish to hold the ball for 10 minutes while running around, our O line should be able to decently protect him. So now is the time for a QB. Rosen, Allen and Darnold are better prospects than wentz and goff.....this year we can't fuk around.

Browns149

Who’s playing QB for the Texans this week? Both got hurt last week and they both looked as bad as Kizer has looked.

I think the colts will beat the Texans

The Gipper

@browns149 said:

Who’s playing QB for the Texans this week? Both got hurt last week and they both looked as bad as Kizer has looked.

I think the colts will beat the Texans

TJ Yates is listed in the depth chart as #1.....but are you saying his is hurt? Their backup is Taylor Heinke.

Edit: In checking, it seems that Yates avoided being sidelined with a concussion, and will start...the same may not be said for Heinke:

Texans' T.J. Yates: Sidesteps concussion diagnosis

by RotoWire Staff | RotoWire

Yates avoided a concussion during Monday's game versus the Steelers, Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle reports.

Yates was knocked from the game after getting sacked for a fourth time near the end of the first. After a lengthy evaluation, he was cleared of any symptoms and returned to the sideline. A short time after he was given the thumbs up, his backup, Taylor Heinicke, left the game under similar circumstances and will be beholden to the protocol for head injuries. On a positive note, Yates is back under center for theTexans.

Ghoolie

@texasag1969 said:

Only Huey staying could make the Browns look more foolish that they already look. Where we get Houston's #1 is all that matters at this point in this foolish wasted season.

I am fine jumping on the bandwagon and being optimistic that Dorsey can start bringing us better talent. I am supportive and hopeful of it. It is rare that one draft makes a huge change in a team, although we have seen improvement that Mariotta, Wentz, Goff, Watson, Trubisky, and others have made. Are the Browns just one QB from being a 8-8 up and comer? Or better?

Where my sticking point is centers around Hue Jackson not making one-single stride forward in reducing penalties, catching the ball, clock management, aggressive offense, and in general basic discipline and fundamental football. If we keep Hue, where do those things rise up from that they haven't over the course of 1 - 30?

Work with me here, am I to believe that all the stupid crap we do (dropping the football right before crossing the goal line) is because Hue was not given good talent? I am sorry, but this is a stretch for me. How can anyone argue that Hue Jackson has not failed in these basic tenets of pro football? What will Hue do in 2018, that somehow two years did not find him doing? This is just bizarre to me.

Finally, I have an issue with how the Hue matter has been treated by Haslam. No secret that I don't like Hue. However, as an owner I would never have even let the debate of whether or not Hue will be back, to be undertaken. Whether Hue is staying or not, this should never have been allowed to be kicked around in the media. Hue is the HC. That is the only answer that should have ever been given.

Now, maybe the average rabid fan, in all his urban culture glory, doesn't care how an owner or execs carry themselves, but I believe the quality players and execs do.

In the event that Haslam fires Hue after the season, he makes himself look bad by changing his mind. On the other hand, if Hue says, there is an inference, and the media will harp on it all next year, that Dorsey really does not have much clout. I just don't get how unprofessional Haslam and his collection of circle jerkers can be.

jiggins7919

@texasag1969 said:

If the Colts win they have the lower SOS so they pick before Houston and Houston before Tampa Bay even if they lose again.

EDIT: It will be interesting to see how many teams play their 2nd/3rd teamers to "tank" into a better pick this week. Too much calculus for this old guy to figure out.

Ok, so Colts win and we pick 4th? Let the daydreaming begin. Oh, and apparently John Dorsey doesn't want anything to do with Josh Rosen, nor does Rosen want to play for us. Awesome. So who the heck do we pick #1? Darnold didn't want to come here either, did he? And that's if he even comes out, LOL.

Dutch Oven

@jiggins7919 said:

Ok, so Colts win and we pick 4th? Let the daydreaming begin. Oh, and apparently John Dorsey doesn't want anything to do with Josh Rosen, nor does Rosen want to play for us. Awesome. So who the heck do we pick #1? Darnold didn't want to come here either, did he? And that's if he even comes out, LOL.

Darnold said that he never said anything about not wanting to come to the Browns, for what it's worth.

Here's the reality boys - if you polled every draft eligible player on what team he DIDN'T want to go to, I feel safe to say that the Browns would easily win. I hate to say it - but can you blame them? Dorsey's job is to draft well and get the roster improved so the players who didn't want to be here look around and say, "You know what... I didn't want to come here, but there's talent here. We can win here."

Because there are very few locations in this nation that is a better place to play football as Cleveland when you win. There's a reason so many of the 80s guys still live here - and it isn't the weather. The 80s players - who won ZERO titles - are still treated like gods here.