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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    1) If PoG loves him it's probably a bad pick

    2) Barkley disappeared for part of the year

    3) We aren't 1 HB away from a playoff spot. HBs can be found late. Taking one this early is buying high on a lower need we can get with a later pick.

    No

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    @mld-woody said:

    1) If PoG loves him it's probably a bad pick

    2) Barkley disappeared for part of the year

    3) We aren't 1 HB away from a playoff spot. HBs can be found late. Taking one this early is buying high on a lower need we can get with a later pick.

    No

    I tend to agree but doesn't it seem like Adrian Peterson and Ezekiel Elliott made significant improvements to the Vikings and Cowboys?

    (But I like PoG)

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      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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      We're not a team where one HB will make a big difference. We don't have Romo//Dak, Their OL, Dez, etc. 

      An elite DB will help this team more in the long run than an elite HB

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      • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

        We're not a team where one HB will make a big difference. We don't have Romo//Dak, Their OL, Dez, etc. 

        An elite DB will help this team more in the long run than an elite HB

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        @mld-woody said:

        We're not a team where one HB will make a big difference. We don't have Romo//Dak, Their OL, Dez, etc. 

        An elite DB will help this team more in the long run than an elite HB

        True enough. And of course I wouldn't take him with the first pick. Just that if we have number 1 and number 4 he might still be there. I wouldn't be upset with Fitzgerald either. Giants will go quarterback. Who's next?

        Also I'm not sure how much hype is involved. Still there would be some great DBs in the second round too.

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        • PoeticGP PoeticG

          All I'm saying is exercise your due diligence and don't just burn a number 1 overall pick on a Quarterback that will still be there in the second round. 

          Avoid the knee jerk reaction to REACH for a QB #1 overall at all costs. You have to take the best player. 

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          @poeticg said:

          All I'm saying is exercise your due diligence and don't just burn a number 1 overall pick on a Quarterback that will still be there in the second round. 

          Avoid the knee jerk reaction to REACH for a QB #1 overall at all costs. You have to take the best player. 

          I strongly agree with you that it doesn't have to be a QB, but I also feel like we HAVE to get our highest rated QB at any cost. Last year we got cute. We tried to have our cake and eat it by drafting other positions early, trading back (yet again), and then selecting our QB in the 2nd round. This year we need to get the guy we have ranked the highest. Even if we're picking 6th in the draft, that leaves 4 other teams who could draft our QB if we select someone else at 1. Can we REALLY afford that? 

          Even if we sign a veteran QB, we need to get our guy. We just can't get cute again. 

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            There is no way the top qbs are lasting until the second round. 

            If a qb lasts past early first rd,  he's probably as crappy as every other qb we've drafted outside of the top ten 

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            • PoeticGP PoeticG

              Say-Gone  BARKLEY! 

              Game Changer. 

              We have 2 picks in the top 5 of the draft. 

              Nothing says we have to take the guy #1 overall. 

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              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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              @poeticg said:

              Say-Gone  BARKLEY! 

              Game Changer. 

              We have 2 picks in the top 5 of the draft. 

              Nothing says we have to take the guy #1 overall. 

              Saigon Barkley?  Yea, we could all be running for roofs hoping to get picked up by helicopters if we go with Saigon Barkley.

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              • OrionO Orion

                I watched some of that highlight real.

                Barkley is good...and he's FAST.  But that #10 guy seems to catch up to him before he reaches the end zone.  #10 is WICKED fast.

                We need a QB.

                The QB trumps a RB.  It's like the Queen to the Rook in chess.

                We've gotta pick the best damn QB in this draft.  And THEN work on the rest of the team.   (I cannot overstate my position on this.  Pretend I carved it in stone)

                Myles Garrett was 'off the charts' better than anyone else in last year's draft.  And do ya know how many touchdown passes he threw for us this year?  Fuggin' None!   We lost every fuggin' game this year because we can't throw a goddamn touchdown pass.

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                @orion said:

                I watched some of that highlight real.

                Barkley is good...and he's FAST.  But that #10 guy seems to catch up to him before he reaches the end zone.  #10 is WICKED fast.

                We need a QB.

                The QB trumps a RB.  It's like the Queen to the Rook in chess.

                We've gotta pick the best damn QB in this draft.  And THEN work on the rest of the team.   (I cannot overstate my position on this.  Pretend I carved it in stone)

                Myles Garrett was 'off the charts' better than anyone else in last year's draft.  And do ya know how many touchdown passes he threw for us this year?  Fuggin' None!   We lost every fuggin' game this year because we can't throw a goddamn touchdown pass.

                Interesting.   Comparing football players to Chess pieces.   Agree....that a QB is like the Queen.   But I think that a WR is more like the Rook...unless it is a Duke Johnson type:  hybrid RB/WR.    RBs more often would be like the Bishop.   And TEs would be the Knights.  Naturally....the OL are the Pawns.

                And the HC is the King.  Not greatly in the game himself....but he directs everyone else.

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                  @orion said:

                  I watched some of that highlight real.

                  Barkley is good...and he's FAST.  But that #10 guy seems to catch up to him before he reaches the end zone.  #10 is WICKED fast.

                  We need a QB.

                  The QB trumps a RB.  It's like the Queen to the Rook in chess.

                  We've gotta pick the best damn QB in this draft.  And THEN work on the rest of the team.   (I cannot overstate my position on this.  Pretend I carved it in stone)

                  Myles Garrett was 'off the charts' better than anyone else in last year's draft.  And do ya know how many touchdown passes he threw for us this year?  Fuggin' None!   We lost every fuggin' game this year because we can't throw a goddamn touchdown pass.

                  Interesting.   Comparing football players to Chess pieces.   Agree....that a QB is like the Queen.   But I think that a WR is more like the Rook...unless it is a Duke Johnson type:  hybrid RB/WR.    RBs more often would be like the Bishop.   And TEs would be the Knights.  Naturally....the OL are the Pawns.

                  And the HC is the King.  Not greatly in the game himself....but he directs everyone else.

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                  @the-gipper said:

                  Interesting.   Comparing football players to Chess pieces.   Agree....that a QB is like the Queen.   But I think that a WR is more like the Rook...unless it is a Duke Johnson type:  hybrid RB/WR.    RBs more often would be like the Bishop.   And TEs would be the Knights.  Naturally....the OL are the Pawns.

                  And the HC is the King.  Not greatly in the game himself....but he directs everyone else.

                  That explains everything. The King keeps forgetting how to us his chess clock.

                  @westside-steve said:

                  True enough. And of course I wouldn't take him with the first pick. Just that if we have number 1 and number 4 he might still be there. I wouldn't be upset with Fitzgerald either. Giants will go quarterback. Who's next?

                  Also I'm not sure how much hype is involved. Still there would be some great DBs in the second round too.

                  WSS

                  3rd to pick would be the Colts if all remains the same after next weekend. And we would be 4th.

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                    @orion said:

                    I watched some of that highlight real.

                    Barkley is good...and he's FAST.  But that #10 guy seems to catch up to him before he reaches the end zone.  #10 is WICKED fast.

                    We need a QB.

                    The QB trumps a RB.  It's like the Queen to the Rook in chess.

                    We've gotta pick the best damn QB in this draft.  And THEN work on the rest of the team.   (I cannot overstate my position on this.  Pretend I carved it in stone)

                    Myles Garrett was 'off the charts' better than anyone else in last year's draft.  And do ya know how many touchdown passes he threw for us this year?  Fuggin' None!   We lost every fuggin' game this year because we can't throw a goddamn touchdown pass.

                    Interesting.   Comparing football players to Chess pieces.   Agree....that a QB is like the Queen.   But I think that a WR is more like the Rook...unless it is a Duke Johnson type:  hybrid RB/WR.    RBs more often would be like the Bishop.   And TEs would be the Knights.  Naturally....the OL are the Pawns.

                    And the HC is the King.  Not greatly in the game himself....but he directs everyone else.

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                    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                    @the-gipper said:

                    But I think that a WR is more like the Rook

                    OK.  They line up wide.  (my thinking was as a straight ahead runner while the bishops weave their way down field)

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                      @the-gipper said:

                      Interesting.   Comparing football players to Chess pieces.   Agree....that a QB is like the Queen.   But I think that a WR is more like the Rook...unless it is a Duke Johnson type:  hybrid RB/WR.    RBs more often would be like the Bishop.   And TEs would be the Knights.  Naturally....the OL are the Pawns.

                      And the HC is the King.  Not greatly in the game himself....but he directs everyone else.

                      That explains everything. The King keeps forgetting how to us his chess clock.

                      @westside-steve said:

                      True enough. And of course I wouldn't take him with the first pick. Just that if we have number 1 and number 4 he might still be there. I wouldn't be upset with Fitzgerald either. Giants will go quarterback. Who's next?

                      Also I'm not sure how much hype is involved. Still there would be some great DBs in the second round too.

                      WSS

                      3rd to pick would be the Colts if all remains the same after next weekend. And we would be 4th.

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      3rd to pick would be the Colts if all remains the same after next weekend. And we would be 4th.

                      I'm not 100% certain, but I don't think it matters if the Colts win or lose (to the Colts that is).  I think they remain picking 3rd due to strength of schedule.

                      And it may be possible for Houston to fall to #7 with a win against Indy (with the final changes being made to strength of schedule)

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                        @texasag1969 said:

                        3rd to pick would be the Colts if all remains the same after next weekend. And we would be 4th.

                        I'm not 100% certain, but I don't think it matters if the Colts win or lose (to the Colts that is).  I think they remain picking 3rd due to strength of schedule.

                        And it may be possible for Houston to fall to #7 with a win against Indy (with the final changes being made to strength of schedule)

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                        @orion said:

                        I'm not 100% certain, but I don't think it matters if the Colts win or lose (to the Colts that is).  I think they remain picking 3rd due to strength of schedule.

                        And it may be possible for Houston to fall to #7 with a win against Indy (with the final changes being made to strength of schedule)

                        We are rooting for the Colts this week, but it just may not be in the cards. I don't think they can stop Houston's WR star DeAndre Hopkins.

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                          jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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                          Hopkins continues to be one of the best receivers I've ever seen. God help the world if he played with Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. He just LOOKS different, ya know? He catches the ball so quickly and immediately runs with it. Craziness. 

                          That being said, the Colts can definitely win. So what's the final verdict...if Colts win, where do we pick? 

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                            Hopkins continues to be one of the best receivers I've ever seen. God help the world if he played with Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. He just LOOKS different, ya know? He catches the ball so quickly and immediately runs with it. Craziness. 

                            That being said, the Colts can definitely win. So what's the final verdict...if Colts win, where do we pick? 

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                            @jiggins7919 said:

                            Hopkins continues to be one of the best receivers I've ever seen. God help the world if he played with Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. He just LOOKS different, ya know? He catches the ball so quickly and immediately runs with it. Craziness. 

                            That being said, the Colts can definitely win. So what's the final verdict...if Colts win, where do we pick? 

                            If the Colts win they have the lower SOS so they pick before Houston and Houston before Tampa Bay even if they lose again.

                            EDIT: It will be interesting to see how many teams play their 2nd/3rd teamers to "tank" into a better pick this week. Too much calculus for this old guy to figure out.

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                              Sad. 0-15 Hue may be staying, and we are talking draft.

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                                Sad. 0-15 Hue may be staying, and we are talking draft.

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                                @ghoolie said:

                                Sad. 0-15 Hue may be staying, and we are talking draft.

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                                Only Huey staying could make the Browns look more foolish that they already look. Where we get Houston's #1 is all that matters at this point in this foolish wasted season.

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                                • PoeticGP PoeticG

                                  I'll get to checking out this draft game and watching tape really soon but so far the only guy that I've seen that is transcendent looks like Saquon Barkley. He is the Anti-Crow, this kid really flys and man he's shifty AND fast- At the same time. Really like this RB. He brings another level. I would say that he's a Duke Johnson 3.14. Guys, he should be on our team in September. I'm going to look at these QBs but I'm thinking that Barkley is that player right now that you write down on the paper a little note to yourself- Open April 26th; "Barkley - No matter what" and tuck that mug into your pocket.

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                                  @poeticg said:

                                  I'll get to checking out this draft game and watching tape really soon but so far the only guy that I've seen that is transcendent looks like Saquon Barkley. He is the Anti-Crow, this kid really flys and man he's shifty AND fast- At the same time. Really like this RB. He brings another level. I would say that he's a Duke Johnson 3.14. Guys, he should be on our team in September. I'm going to look at these QBs but I'm thinking that Barkley is that player right now that you write down on the paper a little note to yourself- Open April 26th; "Barkley - No matter what" and tuck that mug into your pocket.

                                  But is he another Trent Richardson?

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                                    thenew23T thenew23 wrote on last edited by
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                                    There is 1 thing the Browns havent tried since 1999... drafting a QB in the top half of the draft... hmmm....  maybe that could be the problem... considering the majority of great QBs all time have been drafted there... Not to mention our best QB of the v2.0 Browns was probably Tim Couch...

                                    We "ruin" QBs because we draft crappy QBs... Let's TRY one of these top guys... what do you think?

                                    #Justsayin'
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                                      @the-gipper said:

                                      But I think that a WR is more like the Rook

                                      OK.  They line up wide.  (my thinking was as a straight ahead runner while the bishops weave their way down field)

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                                      @orion said:

                                      OK.  They line up wide.  (my thinking was as a straight ahead runner while the bishops weave their way down field)

                                      Rooks have more effect on any part of the board....where Bishops are limited to just one color square.  WRs have more room to roam, like rooks.

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                                        There is 1 thing the Browns havent tried since 1999... drafting a QB in the top half of the draft... hmmm....  maybe that could be the problem... considering the majority of great QBs all time have been drafted there... Not to mention our best QB of the v2.0 Browns was probably Tim Couch...

                                        We "ruin" QBs because we draft crappy QBs... Let's TRY one of these top guys... what do you think?

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                                        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                        @thenew23 said:

                                        There is 1 thing the Browns havent tried since 1999... drafting a QB in the top half of the draft... hmmm....  maybe that could be the problem... considering the majority of great QBs all time have been drafted there... Not to mention our best QB of the v2.0 Browns was probably Tim Couch...

                                        We "ruin" QBs because we draft crappy QBs... Let's TRY one of these top guys... what do you think?

                                        Fair statement.

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                                          I'm happy with saquon with the 5th pick, or 4th whatever. I'm in no mood for anyone talking about saquon with the 1st. Fuk you. #1 is a qb, period!! We have some decent O line play now so as long as he doesn't have that insane Kizer fetish to hold the ball for 10 minutes while running around, our O line should be able to decently protect him. So now is the time for a QB. Rosen, Allen and Darnold are better prospects than wentz and goff.....this year we can't fuk around. 

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