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  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #14

    Cal's mancrush is playing in 15 minutes.  Can't wait to see this lack of anticipation show up all over again.  

  • Cal's mancrush is playing in 15 minutes.  Can't wait to see this lack of anticipation show up all over again.  

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
    #15

    @tiamat63 said:

    Cal's mancrush is playing in 15 minutes.  Can't wait to see this lack of anticipation show up all over again.  

    The kid's from Firebaugh CA and would make kids from Bakersfield look like pussys..... I'm curious to watch him today as I've never seen him before. 

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #16

    Welp, that was a damn good throw.  

  • D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
    #17

    So far - minus his 1st throwing play, kid looks good. 

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #18

    CMU has done little but rush 3 all game and just making this kid look like a 1st overall pick .  

  • So far - minus his 1st throwing play, kid looks good. 

    sydS syd wrote on last edited by
    #19

    @d-bone said:

    So far - minus his 1st throwing play, kid looks good. 

    and that last play a sack he had time to throw it away

  • lol... put your own quotes in front of you and you still can't see.

    Point is you hanged your hat on Rudolph being "a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be" and " the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be."

    Now you are saying, "Hat? What hat? I don't even own a hat?"

    Tin Foil, perhaps. He could be a factor still.  We got 6 months to go through all this crapola.

    As for the flaw... it should be sufficient that CBS ranked Rudolph #1 overall yet #2 at his position. But here is my more detailed explanation... again...

    As for your explanation....basically you are saying they won't do anything definitive until all players coming out have declared.  Well then, maybe we will just have to wait and see until after Jan. 15th....or whenever that deadline is.  After all....apparently if they wanted to, both Darnold and Rosen could stay in school....and maybe some others.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    lol... put your own quotes in front of you and you still can't see.

    Point is you hanged your hat on Rudolph being "a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be" and " the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be."

    Now you are saying, "Hat? What hat? I don't even own a hat?"

    Tin Foil, perhaps. He could be a factor still.  We got 6 months to go through all this crapola.

    As for the flaw... it should be sufficient that CBS ranked Rudolph #1 overall yet #2 at his position. But here is my more detailed explanation... again...

    As for your explanation....basically you are saying they won't do anything definitive until all players coming out have declared.  Well then, maybe we will just have to wait and see until after Jan. 15th....or whenever that deadline is.  After all....apparently if they wanted to, both Darnold and Rosen could stay in school....and maybe some others.

    Right now, McShay has Rudolph as the 6th best qb. Walter Football 8th. Both don't see him in the discussion for the top pick. 

    Watched his Bowl game today, and came away moderately impressed. Certainly a better showing than poor Kurt Benkert today. He certainly has an NFL arm, and if he has accuracy issues, I didn't see anything horrible today. 

  • C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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    Maybe Camp Rudolph and Camp Allen?

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/camping-world-bowl-score-mason-rudolph-james-washington-show-off-for-nfl-scouts/

    NFL scouts have been high on Oklahoma State quarterback Mason Rudolph and Biletnikoff Award-winning wide receiver James Washington for a long time, and their finale in the Camping World Bowl in Orlando, Florida, put one final piece of great tape on the DVR as the two seniors enter the next phase of their football careers.

    Rudolph completed 21-of032 passes for 351 yards and two touchdowns in the 30-21 win over a Virginia Tech defense that came in giving up just 187.2 yards per game. Washington was his primary targe, with five catches on 10 targets for 126 yards and a 65-yard touchdown reception in the third quarter to push the Pokes' lead to two scores.

    This was the closing argument for the duo who grew up together after fighting to get noticed as prospects. 

    Rudolph is No. 13 overall  in CBS Sports' ranking of NFL Draft prospects and No. 2 among likely quarterback entrants -- ahead of UCLA's Josh Rosen and USC's Sam Darnold. The combination of accuracy on deep passes and ability to hit his receivers in stride on short and intermediate routes makes him desirable for teams at the next level who aren't stuck in the stone age and willing to recognize how well the Cowboys' system translates to today's NFL.

     

    At 6-foot, 205 pounds, Washington doesn't exactly look the part of an imposing physical wide receiver at the next level -- undoubtedly one of the main criticisms you'll hear over the next five months. But all the dude does is get open and make plays. 

    He finished off the 2017 season with 1,549 yards, 13 touchdowns and plays bigger than his frame. He's ranked 16th overall in CBS Sports' ranking of draft prospects, and No. 2 among wide receivers behind Courtland Sutton of SMU. 

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    Whoever CBS Sports has ranking players entering the Draft must be hitting the meth hard.

    Rudolph is ranked ahead of Rosen and Darnold? Washington and Sutton both ranked higher than WR Calvin Ridley of Alabama?

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
    #23

    We could just give JFF another chance:

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  • We could just give JFF another chance:

    Image result for Johnny Football pics

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
    #24

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    We could just give JFF another chance:

    Image result for Johnny Football pics

    CFL front office cleared him to play after a very thorough investigation of his behavior and his fulfilling of their requirements for clearance. He must still be in contact with JG since they both appear to be making all the right efforts to change. It will be interesting to see if June Jones picks him up and plays him this summer/fall on the Tiger-Cats. Unlike Hue Jones took over an 0-8 team this summer and led them to a 6-4 remainder of the season record. BTW Jones was on the receiving end of JFF when he was the SMU HC. He likes how he plays and thinks it fits the CFL very well.

  • @the-gipper said:

    lol... put your own quotes in front of you and you still can't see.

    Point is you hanged your hat on Rudolph being "a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be" and " the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be."

    Now you are saying, "Hat? What hat? I don't even own a hat?"

    Tin Foil, perhaps. He could be a factor still.  We got 6 months to go through all this crapola.

    As for the flaw... it should be sufficient that CBS ranked Rudolph #1 overall yet #2 at his position. But here is my more detailed explanation... again...

    As for your explanation....basically you are saying they won't do anything definitive until all players coming out have declared.  Well then, maybe we will just have to wait and see until after Jan. 15th....or whenever that deadline is.  After all....apparently if they wanted to, both Darnold and Rosen could stay in school....and maybe some others.

    Right now, McShay has Rudolph as the 6th best qb. Walter Football 8th. Both don't see him in the discussion for the top pick. 

    Watched his Bowl game today, and came away moderately impressed. Certainly a better showing than poor Kurt Benkert today. He certainly has an NFL arm, and if he has accuracy issues, I didn't see anything horrible today. 

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    Watched his Bowl game today, and came away moderately impressed. Certainly a better showing than poor Kurt Benkert today. He certainly has an NFL arm, and if he has accuracy issues, I didn't see anything horrible today.

    Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo😉lph 

  • @hoorta said:

    Watched his Bowl game today, and came away moderately impressed. Certainly a better showing than poor Kurt Benkert today. He certainly has an NFL arm, and if he has accuracy issues, I didn't see anything horrible today.

    Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo😉lph 

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
    #26

    @gumby73 said:

    Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo😉lph 

    Could he be "The One" to guide the Browns' sleigh? 😁

  • L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
    #27

    I’d bet good money Baker Mayfield goes before Lamar Jackson. 

  • I’d bet good money Baker Mayfield goes before Lamar Jackson. 

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
    #28

    @londonbrown said:

    I’d bet good money Baker Mayfield goes before Lamar Jackson. 

    I agree.

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.

  • Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.

    Draft declaration last day is Monday Jan. 15.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/21748664/2018-nfl-draft-underclassmen-declaration-tracker

  • Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.

    Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?

    Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome?   Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc?  The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped?  I think that is a big part.  The fact that he had a better year last year than this year?   I do not see him as "our guy".   Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State.   Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.

    Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?

    Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome?   Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc?  The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped?  I think that is a big part.  The fact that he had a better year last year than this year?   I do not see him as "our guy".   Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State.   Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
    #32

    @the-gipper said:

    Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?

    Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome?   Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc?  The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped?  I think that is a big part.  The fact that he had a better year last year than this year?   I do not see him as "our guy".   Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State.   Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.

    I'm trying to get myself to like the idea of taking Darnold, but I always go back to the USC/UCLA game and Rosen was so much better.

  • @hoorta said:

    Watched his Bowl game today, and came away moderately impressed. Certainly a better showing than poor Kurt Benkert today. He certainly has an NFL arm, and if he has accuracy issues, I didn't see anything horrible today.

    Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo😉lph 

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by hoorta
    #33

    @gumby73 said:

    Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo😉lph 

    Yup, Washington looked more than decent as a wr, the combine will tell. 🙂

    @the-gipper said:

    Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?

    Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome?   Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc?  The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped?  I think that is a big part.  The fact that he had a better year last year than this year?   I do not see him as "our guy".   Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State.   Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.

    Darnold is Andrew Luck in comparison to Kizer in college. About the same difference as comparing Kizer to Tom Brady in the pros.

    Regarding USC qbs, yup- we have our very own Cody Kessler. Plenty of pro bums besides. But let's not forget about Carson Palmer.

    Gip, same illogic I have in my bias against Notre Dame QBs. For every Joe Montana, you have two Jimmy Clausens, one Deshone Kizer, and a Partridge in a ? pear tree. ?