Walter football quarterback list
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lol... put your own quotes in front of you and you still can't see.
Point is you hanged your hat on Rudolph being "a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be" and " the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be."
Now you are saying, "Hat? What hat? I don't even own a hat?"
Tin Foil, perhaps. He could be a factor still. We got 6 months to go through all this crapola.
As for the flaw... it should be sufficient that CBS ranked Rudolph #1 overall yet #2 at his position. But here is my more detailed explanation... again...
As for your explanation....basically you are saying they won't do anything definitive until all players coming out have declared. Well then, maybe we will just have to wait and see until after Jan. 15th....or whenever that deadline is. After all....apparently if they wanted to, both Darnold and Rosen could stay in school....and maybe some others.
lol... put your own quotes in front of you and you still can't see.
Point is you hanged your hat on Rudolph being "a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be" and " the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be."
Now you are saying, "Hat? What hat? I don't even own a hat?"
Tin Foil, perhaps. He could be a factor still. We got 6 months to go through all this crapola.
As for the flaw... it should be sufficient that CBS ranked Rudolph #1 overall yet #2 at his position. But here is my more detailed explanation... again...
As for your explanation....basically you are saying they won't do anything definitive until all players coming out have declared. Well then, maybe we will just have to wait and see until after Jan. 15th....or whenever that deadline is. After all....apparently if they wanted to, both Darnold and Rosen could stay in school....and maybe some others.
Right now, McShay has Rudolph as the 6th best qb. Walter Football 8th. Both don't see him in the discussion for the top pick.
Watched his Bowl game today, and came away moderately impressed. Certainly a better showing than poor Kurt Benkert today. He certainly has an NFL arm, and if he has accuracy issues, I didn't see anything horrible today.
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Maybe Camp Rudolph and Camp Allen?
NFL scouts have been high on Oklahoma State quarterback Mason Rudolph and Biletnikoff Award-winning wide receiver James Washington for a long time, and their finale in the Camping World Bowl in Orlando, Florida, put one final piece of great tape on the DVR as the two seniors enter the next phase of their football careers.
Rudolph completed 21-of032 passes for 351 yards and two touchdowns in the 30-21 win over a Virginia Tech defense that came in giving up just 187.2 yards per game. Washington was his primary targe, with five catches on 10 targets for 126 yards and a 65-yard touchdown reception in the third quarter to push the Pokes' lead to two scores.
This was the closing argument for the duo who grew up together after fighting to get noticed as prospects.
Rudolph is No. 13 overall in CBS Sports' ranking of NFL Draft prospects and No. 2 among likely quarterback entrants -- ahead of UCLA's Josh Rosen and USC's Sam Darnold. The combination of accuracy on deep passes and ability to hit his receivers in stride on short and intermediate routes makes him desirable for teams at the next level who aren't stuck in the stone age and willing to recognize how well the Cowboys' system translates to today's NFL.
At 6-foot, 205 pounds, Washington doesn't exactly look the part of an imposing physical wide receiver at the next level -- undoubtedly one of the main criticisms you'll hear over the next five months. But all the dude does is get open and make plays.
He finished off the 2017 season with 1,549 yards, 13 touchdowns and plays bigger than his frame. He's ranked 16th overall in CBS Sports' ranking of draft prospects, and No. 2 among wide receivers behind Courtland Sutton of SMU.
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Whoever CBS Sports has ranking players entering the Draft must be hitting the meth hard.
Rudolph is ranked ahead of Rosen and Darnold? Washington and Sutton both ranked higher than WR Calvin Ridley of Alabama?
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We could just give JFF another chance:
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We could just give JFF another chance:
We could just give JFF another chance:
CFL front office cleared him to play after a very thorough investigation of his behavior and his fulfilling of their requirements for clearance. He must still be in contact with JG since they both appear to be making all the right efforts to change. It will be interesting to see if June Jones picks him up and plays him this summer/fall on the Tiger-Cats. Unlike Hue Jones took over an 0-8 team this summer and led them to a 6-4 remainder of the season record. BTW Jones was on the receiving end of JFF when he was the SMU HC. He likes how he plays and thinks it fits the CFL very well.
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lol... put your own quotes in front of you and you still can't see.
Point is you hanged your hat on Rudolph being "a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be" and " the fact remains.....this guy WILL be a factor when it comes to who the top QB taken will be."
Now you are saying, "Hat? What hat? I don't even own a hat?"
Tin Foil, perhaps. He could be a factor still. We got 6 months to go through all this crapola.
As for the flaw... it should be sufficient that CBS ranked Rudolph #1 overall yet #2 at his position. But here is my more detailed explanation... again...
As for your explanation....basically you are saying they won't do anything definitive until all players coming out have declared. Well then, maybe we will just have to wait and see until after Jan. 15th....or whenever that deadline is. After all....apparently if they wanted to, both Darnold and Rosen could stay in school....and maybe some others.
Right now, McShay has Rudolph as the 6th best qb. Walter Football 8th. Both don't see him in the discussion for the top pick.
Watched his Bowl game today, and came away moderately impressed. Certainly a better showing than poor Kurt Benkert today. He certainly has an NFL arm, and if he has accuracy issues, I didn't see anything horrible today.
Watched his Bowl game today, and came away moderately impressed. Certainly a better showing than poor Kurt Benkert today. He certainly has an NFL arm, and if he has accuracy issues, I didn't see anything horrible today.
Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo
lph
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Watched his Bowl game today, and came away moderately impressed. Certainly a better showing than poor Kurt Benkert today. He certainly has an NFL arm, and if he has accuracy issues, I didn't see anything horrible today.
Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo
lph
Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo
lph
Could he be "The One" to guide the Browns' sleigh?
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I’d bet good money Baker Mayfield goes before Lamar Jackson.
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I’d bet good money Baker Mayfield goes before Lamar Jackson.
I’d bet good money Baker Mayfield goes before Lamar Jackson.
I agree.
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Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.
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Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.
Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.
Draft declaration last day is Monday Jan. 15.
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Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.
Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.
Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?
Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome? Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc? The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped? I think that is a big part. The fact that he had a better year last year than this year? I do not see him as "our guy". Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State. Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.
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Well we could know by this time tomorrow if Sam Darnold will be entering the Draft.
Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?
Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome? Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc? The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped? I think that is a big part. The fact that he had a better year last year than this year? I do not see him as "our guy". Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State. Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.
Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?
Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome? Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc? The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped? I think that is a big part. The fact that he had a better year last year than this year? I do not see him as "our guy". Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State. Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.
I'm trying to get myself to like the idea of taking Darnold, but I always go back to the USC/UCLA game and Rosen was so much better.
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Watched his Bowl game today, and came away moderately impressed. Certainly a better showing than poor Kurt Benkert today. He certainly has an NFL arm, and if he has accuracy issues, I didn't see anything horrible today.
Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo
lph
Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo
lph
Yup, Washington looked more than decent as a wr, the combine will tell.
Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?
Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome? Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc? The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped? I think that is a big part. The fact that he had a better year last year than this year? I do not see him as "our guy". Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State. Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.
Darnold is Andrew Luck in comparison to Kizer in college. About the same difference as comparing Kizer to Tom Brady in the pros.
Regarding USC qbs, yup- we have our very own Cody Kessler. Plenty of pro bums besides. But let's not forget about Carson Palmer.
Gip, same illogic I have in my bias against Notre Dame QBs. For every Joe Montana, you have two Jimmy Clausens, one Deshone Kizer, and a Partridge in a ? pear tree. ?
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Rudolph did help himself with his top 5 offense against a good top 5 defense in VT. Certainly looks the part but as most college QB’s, can he do it from under center with eyes down field. Starting to look through some depth charts to see who is doing it with their senior leadership on the field? Rudolph now is the leader in clubhouse with both OT’s & Center as seniors. Rudolph also maybe surrounded by best team WR Core? James Washington (1549yards) & Marcell Ateman(1156yards) are both seniors surely to be drafted. Did you see the legal 1 yard pick block that Ateman laid on someone? Cleaned a clock!! Rudolph drops a hell’ve a deep ball, but the TV guys brought up a great point on the confusion on intermediate routes. Either sit down on a route and box out defender if needed or drive your arrsss’ back to the ball but god don’t fade or curl routes..almost got a Brady look out of Rudo
lph
Yup, Washington looked more than decent as a wr, the combine will tell.
Why is it in the back of my mind that I think that this guy is not going to be very good?
Is it the "Ghost of USC QBs Past" syndrome? Matt Leinert, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez ...Paul McDonald! etc? The fact that USC QBs are always overhyped? I think that is a big part. The fact that he had a better year last year than this year? I do not see him as "our guy". Of course, he could change a lot of minds tonight vs. Ohio State. Or...Ohio State's defense could make him look ordinary, not that he may not seem that way already.
Darnold is Andrew Luck in comparison to Kizer in college. About the same difference as comparing Kizer to Tom Brady in the pros.
Regarding USC qbs, yup- we have our very own Cody Kessler. Plenty of pro bums besides. But let's not forget about Carson Palmer.
Gip, same illogic I have in my bias against Notre Dame QBs. For every Joe Montana, you have two Jimmy Clausens, one Deshone Kizer, and a Partridge in a ? pear tree. ?
Yup, Washington looked more than decent as a wr, the combine will tell.
Darnold is Andrew Luck in comparison to Kizer in college. About the same difference as comparing Kizer to Tom Brady in the pros.
Regarding USC qbs, yup- we have our very own Cody Kessler. Plenty of pro bums besides. But let's not forget about Carson Palmer.
Gip, same illogic I have in my bias against Notre Dame QBs. For every Joe Montana, you have two Jimmy Clausens, one Deshone Kizer, and a Partridge in a ? pear tree. ?
I hear you on the Notre Dame thing. Not a great track record. Here is that record:
RkYearRndPickPosDrAgeTmFromToAP1PBStCarAVGGSQBrecCmpAttYdsTDIntAttYdsTDCollege/Univ12017252
DeShone KizerQB21CLE20172017001014140-14-02394462580921713585Notre DameCollege Stats22010248
Jimmy ClausenQB22CAR20102015001322141-13-02554722520714371020Notre DameCollege Stats32007122
Brady QuinnQB22CLE20072012002224204-16-029655030431217441851Notre DameCollege Stats420007214
Jarious JacksonQB23DEN200020030000510-1-01122114017150Notre DameCollege Stats5199312
Rick MirerQB23SEA1993200300532806824-44-01088204311969507624211309Notre DameCollege Stats619874110
Steve BeuerleinQB22RAI198820030146914710247-55-018943328240461471122254965Notre DameCollege Stats7198411281
Blair KielQB22TAM1984199100042530-3-0108193129687161051Notre DameCollege Stats81980489
Rusty LischQB23STL1980198400023020-1-055115547111201300Notre DameCollege Stats91979382
Joe Montana HOFQB23SFO197919943812123192164117-47-03409539140551273139457167620Notre DameCollege Stats101971499
Joe TheismannQB21MIA197419851288716712477-47-02044360225206160138355181517Notre DameCollege Stats111969230
Terry HanrattyQB21PIT19691976000850186-12-01654312510243521991Notre DameCollege Stats12196912308
Bob BeldenQBDAL000Notre DameCollege Stats131965212
John HuarteQB22NYJ1966197200012410-1-019482301512520Notre DameCollege Stats14196520277
George WilsonQB22DET1966196600151472-5-046112764510271370Notre Dame15196312168
Daryle LamonicaQB22GNB19631974257761518866-16-6128826011915416413816664014Notre DameCollege Stats16196012
George IzoQB22STL1960196600052663-3-01323171791123210-230Notre DameCollege Stats17195514
Ralph GuglielmiQB22WAS195519630011366278-16-3292626411924521776332Notre DameCollege Stats18195112
Bob WilliamsQB21CHI1951195500102973-4-0741609811012291120Notre Dame19194919
Frank TripuckaQB21PHI1949196301319755617-34-187917451028269124431016Notre Dame20194816139
George RattermanQB21BOS19471956004092469-8-173713961047391961064914Notre Dame21194611
Boley DancewiczQB21BOS1946194800102329623815511229652292Notre Dame22194614
Johnny LujackQB21CHI194819511230452813-5-04048086295415413374221Notre Dame23194411
Angelo BertelliQB23BOS1946194800001657616697281914-151Notre DameCollege Stats
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Three and a half decent QBs from Notre Dame over the past 80 years. Montana , Theisman and Lamonica....and the half being Steve Beurlein.
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Here is the list for USC:
k Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2016 3 93 Cody Kessler QB 23 CLE 2016 2017 0 0 1 3 13 8 0-8-0 139 218 1506 6 3 12 17 0 USC College Stats 2 2013 4 98 Matt Barkley QB 22 PHI 2013 2016 0 0 0 2 11 6 1-5-0 159 266 1911 8 18 12 0 0 USC College Stats 3 2009 1 5 Mark Sanchez QB 22 NYJ 2009 2016 0 0 5 34 77 72 37-35-0 1295 2285 15219 86 86 169 449 13 USC College Stats 4 2008 5 137 John David Booty QB MIN 0 0 0 USC 5 2006 1 10 Matt Leinart QB 23 ARI 2006 2012 0 0 1 12 33 18 8-10-0 366 641 4065 15 21 47 89 2 USC College Stats 6 2005 7 230 Matt Cassel QB 23 NWE 2005 2017 0 1 5 46 107 81 36-45-0 1571 2666 17449 104 81 266 1012 5 USC College Stats 7 2003 1 1 Carson Palmer QB 23 CIN 2004 2017 0 3 11 106 182 181 92-88-1 3941 6307 46247 294 187 301 474 8 USC College Stats 8 1996 7 240 Kyle Wachholtz QB GNB 0 0 0 USC College Stats 9 1995 4 99 Rob Johnson QB 22 JAX 1995 2003 0 0 1 19 48 29 12-17-0 494 806 5795 30 23 140 877 4 USC College Stats 10 1991 1 24 Todd Marinovich QB 22 RAI 1991 1992 0 0 0 3 8 8 3-5-0 104 205 1345 8 9 12 44 0 USC College Stats 11 1991 10 260 Pat O'Hara QB TAM 0 0 0 USC College Stats 12 1989 6 141 Rodney Peete QB 23 DET 1989 2004 0 0 7 46 104 87 45-42-0 1344 2346 16338 76 92 270 1139 16 USC College Stats 13 1980 4 109 Paul McDonald QB 22 CLE 1980 1986 0 0 1 15 85 21 8-13-0 411 767 5269 24 37 37 6 1 USC College Stats 14 1978 5 131 Rob Hertel QB 23 CIN 1978 1978 0 0 0 0 3 0 1 4 9 0 0 1 0 0 USC College Stats 15 1977 6 140 Vince Evans QB 22 CHI 1977 1995 0 0 2 29 100 39 14-25-0 704 1390 9485 52 74 212 1129 14 USC College Stats 16 1975 7 176 Pat Haden QB 22 RAM 1976 1981 0 1 4 33 65 55 35-19-1 731 1363 9296 52 60 124 609 6 USC College Stats 17 1973 8 205 Mike Rae QB 22 OAK 1976 1979 0 0 0 9 28 8 4-4-0 124 249 1536 12 14 44 300 2 USC College Stats 18 1970 8 201 Mike Holmgren QB STL 0 0 0 USC 19 1965 20 270 Craig Fertig QB PIT 0 0 0 USC College Stats 20 1964 1 2 Pete Beathard QB 22 KAN 1964 1973 0 0 3 26 110 35 18-16-1 575 1282 8176 43 84 131 680 11 USC College Stats 21 1963 10 136 Bill Nelsen QB 22 PIT 1963 1972 0 1 5 53 90 74 40-31-3 963 1905 14165 98 101 84 89 2 USC College Stats 22 1962 34 268 Ben Charles QB BUF 0 0 0 USC 23 1953 2 24 Rudy Bukich QB 22 RAM 1953 1968 0 0 2 30 103 41 21-17-3 626 1190 8433 61 74 112 109 9 USC 24 1945 1 8 Jim Hardy QB 22 WAS 1946 1952 0 1 1 0 69 21 4-9-0 423 912 5690 54 73 52 72 2 USC -
About the same over the same 80 year period. Our own Bill Nelsen may have in fact been the best of the bunch...in terms of being a winner. Beyond that there is Palmer....and the best after that are Pat Haden and Rodney Peete.
(and hell....I basically forgot that Kessler came from USC)
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As for Big 12 QBs, since 2000 we have this lot:
Sage Rosenfelds
Seneca Wallace
Josh Freeman
Josh Heupel
Sam Bradford
Landry Jones
Zac Robinson
Brandon Weeden
Andy Dalton
Chris Simms
Vince Young
Colt McCoy
BJ Symons
Patrick Mahomes
Jordan Palmer
Robert Griffin III
Bryce Petty.
Nothing Stellar: Dalton and Bradford the best of the lot.
So....the two main Big 12 QBs under consideration are Mayfield and Rudolph
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