Camp Tyrod + Lamar
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We need Mississippi States head coach though
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Jackson is on the hook for 2 of those picks, but the last one was on the WR. I really don't know if the draft has the answer to out QB problem at this point.
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Jackson is on the hook for 2 of those picks, but the last one was on the WR. I really don't know if the draft has the answer to out QB problem at this point.
, but the last one was on the WR.
good call,after rewind live speed.#5 WR Dawkins runs lazy route,almost like Dawkins was trying to cut on iced turf. if full speed receiver should be cross db's face where Lamar placed it
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, but the last one was on the WR.
good call,after rewind live speed.#5 WR Dawkins runs lazy route,almost like Dawkins was trying to cut on iced turf. if full speed receiver should be cross db's face where Lamar placed it
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1) you aren't the main OSU bias culprit
2) that's not the rebuttal I gave
3) you can say what you want about Mo, and I may or may not disagree
4) Gary is a beast
5) You can not like what I post for whatever you see fit. I don't like the posts where you act like the end all be all on scouting for players.
6) Damn, you really blew up there
1) you aren't the main OSU bias culprit
I have still yet to see where you can accuse me of said bias. Hell, you can't even say it was about my calling Michael Thomas the best WR in the draft. That clearly ended up being very true. My bias is towards quality football players. The one time I've seen you go over the moon for somebody, it just so happened to be Jabrill. You said he was an "elite athlete" that would be a playmaker for the Browns. I argued otherwise and backed up what I said with examples. You then ran home to the "OSU bias".
I said he would be at best a gadget offensive player and above average return man. He hasn't even been the latter. He's damn near dead last in return average.
2) that's not the rebuttal I gave
- Pretty sure I have it screen shotted. Here it is, verbatim
" It is worth noting that Peppers gets into a position to make a tackle on plays most players would not, therefore even if he misses those tackles, it still disrupts the offense/ball carrier."
So... yep. Pretty much "if he's forced to tackle then he'll miss more" in paraphrasing.
3) you can say what you want about Mo, and I may or may not disagree
We'll find out soon then.
4) Gary is a beast
So far, no disagreement here.
5) You can not like what I post for whatever you see fit. I don't like the posts where you act like the end all be all on scouting for players.
I only do that when people posts such whacky Sheet on clearly flawed players without any type of substance to support their argument that doesn't include what you seen me calling cowpoop on in the Mayfield thread. I.E. "WINNER, LEADER, STATS, HEISMAN"!!!
6) Damn, you really blew up there
I haven't even begun to peak.
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You paraphrased what I said incorrectly.
I understand how math and statistics work. I get percentages.
I'm saying I saw Peppers knife through two players on WR screens, bubbles, etc to get to the ball carrier and disrupt the play. A lot of times he was diving or still had a blocker on him, meaning it was a difficult tackle to make. Most other DBs are just getting blocked there and not getting to the ball carrier. So does it count as a missed tackle? I guess. But it's still a net positive for the defense. That's what I said.
Not to mention Williams has been complimentary of Peppers tackling ability.
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You paraphrased what I said incorrectly.
I understand how math and statistics work. I get percentages.
I'm saying I saw Peppers knife through two players on WR screens, bubbles, etc to get to the ball carrier and disrupt the play. A lot of times he was diving or still had a blocker on him, meaning it was a difficult tackle to make. Most other DBs are just getting blocked there and not getting to the ball carrier. So does it count as a missed tackle? I guess. But it's still a net positive for the defense. That's what I said.
Not to mention Williams has been complimentary of Peppers tackling ability.
You paraphrased what I said incorrectly.
I understand how math and statistics work. I get percentages.
I'm saying I saw Peppers knife through two players on WR screens, bubbles, etc to get to the ball carrier and disrupt the play. A lot of times he was diving or still had a blocker on him, meaning it was a difficult tackle to make. Most other DBs are just getting blocked there and not getting to the ball carrier. So does it count as a missed tackle? I guess. But it's still a net positive for the defense. That's what I said.
Not to mention Williams has been complimentary of Peppers tackling ability.
He has too seeing as he's the one that beat his fists on the table in support of drafting him. Straight coaches pick.
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You paraphrased what I said incorrectly.
I understand how math and statistics work. I get percentages.
I'm saying I saw Peppers knife through two players on WR screens, bubbles, etc to get to the ball carrier and disrupt the play. A lot of times he was diving or still had a blocker on him, meaning it was a difficult tackle to make. Most other DBs are just getting blocked there and not getting to the ball carrier. So does it count as a missed tackle? I guess. But it's still a net positive for the defense. That's what I said.
Not to mention Williams has been complimentary of Peppers tackling ability.
He has too seeing as he's the one that beat his fists on the table in support of drafting him. Straight coaches pick.
He has too seeing as he's the one that beat his fists on the table in support of drafting him. Straight coaches pick.
Then our talk at the auto show mattered more than I jokingly thought... Lol
But do you at least get the point I was trying to make regarding the tackles? Peppers is one of the only prospects you could hear people praise his tackling and then have someone else say it's terrible. You'd think it would be pretty straightforward
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He has too seeing as he's the one that beat his fists on the table in support of drafting him. Straight coaches pick.
Then our talk at the auto show mattered more than I jokingly thought... Lol
But do you at least get the point I was trying to make regarding the tackles? Peppers is one of the only prospects you could hear people praise his tackling and then have someone else say it's terrible. You'd think it would be pretty straightforward
Then our talk at the auto show mattered more than I jokingly thought... Lol
But do you at least get the point I was trying to make regarding the tackles? Peppers is one of the only prospects you could hear people praise his tackling and then have someone else say it's terrible. You'd think it would be pretty straightforward
There's a difference. His willingness to get his nose dirty blowing up screens and attacking the LOS is one thing. His ability to secure tackles and to take proper angles has been and will continue to be another story.
I know what you mean, but I still think you believed a bit of what you said in regards to how I interpreted it.
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Two FGs the second half-not good. But if Jackson stays and gets to pick, guess who he falls in love with? RG IV.
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Then our talk at the auto show mattered more than I jokingly thought... Lol
But do you at least get the point I was trying to make regarding the tackles? Peppers is one of the only prospects you could hear people praise his tackling and then have someone else say it's terrible. You'd think it would be pretty straightforward
There's a difference. His willingness to get his nose dirty blowing up screens and attacking the LOS is one thing. His ability to secure tackles and to take proper angles has been and will continue to be another story.
I know what you mean, but I still think you believed a bit of what you said in regards to how I interpreted it.
There's a difference. His willingness to get his nose dirty blowing up screens and attacking the LOS is one thing. His ability to secure tackles and to take proper angles has been and will continue to be another story.
I know what you mean, but I still think you believed a bit of what you said in regards to how I interpreted it.
You interpreted as me not knowing how math works, lol. I understand all that.
I'm not gonna defend his bad angle against TY. That was bad. I think that's been overshadowing regular tackles and angles though. He's made plenty of tackles.
Though maybe the position doesn't help. I saw Nacua take some terrible angles his one game too. But then again, he didn't have a ton of experience in game.
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There's a difference. His willingness to get his nose dirty blowing up screens and attacking the LOS is one thing. His ability to secure tackles and to take proper angles has been and will continue to be another story.
I know what you mean, but I still think you believed a bit of what you said in regards to how I interpreted it.
You interpreted as me not knowing how math works, lol. I understand all that.
I'm not gonna defend his bad angle against TY. That was bad. I think that's been overshadowing regular tackles and angles though. He's made plenty of tackles.
Though maybe the position doesn't help. I saw Nacua take some terrible angles his one game too. But then again, he didn't have a ton of experience in game.
You interpreted as me not knowing how math works, lol. I understand all that.
I'm not gonna defend his bad angle against TY. That was bad. I think that's been overshadowing regular tackles and angles though. He's made plenty of tackles.
Though maybe the position doesn't help. I saw Nacua take some terrible angles his one game too. But then again, he didn't have a ton of experience in game.
Christ, you're an engineering major from one of the top universities in the country... I'd hope you would know how math works.
The angle against TY would be Jabrill's struggles in a microcosm. They extend beyond that play too. Nacua did some piss poor things including a blown assignment. But his downhill recognition and ability to drive on a receiver or ball carrier was pretty good for a late round kid getting the nod.
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And Woody's 2017 Peppers Apology Tour rambles on toward 2018 with no let up!
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And Woody's 2017 Peppers Apology Tour rambles on toward 2018 with no let up!
And Woody's 2017 Peppers Apology Tour rambles on toward 2018 with no let up!
There's no apology tour needed. He's still a decent kid with physical gifts but the mental makeup is everything. The goods news is that there's an off season to improve.
Do I expect it? Sure. To the extent that would warrant how high Peppers was drafted in relation to the impact he 'should' have on this defense....? Not so much.
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And Woody's 2017 Peppers Apology Tour rambles on toward 2018 with no let up!
There's no apology tour needed. He's still a decent kid with physical gifts but the mental makeup is everything. The goods news is that there's an off season to improve.
Do I expect it? Sure. To the extent that would warrant how high Peppers was drafted in relation to the impact he 'should' have on this defense....? Not so much.
There's no apology tour needed. He's still a decent kid with physical gifts but the mental makeup is everything. The goods news is that there's an off season to improve.
Do I expect it? Sure. To the extent that would warrant how high Peppers was drafted in relation to the impact he 'should' have on this defense....? Not so much.
I'm just joking around...
Let's get him in the strong safety spot where he belongs, then we'll see.
But I'll be honest, I wanted nothing to do with the Browns taking him that high, he just screamed: "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" to me. A guy whose athletic ability allows him to do many things in college, but doesn't have a specific skill set to allow him to thrive in the pros.
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There's no apology tour needed. He's still a decent kid with physical gifts but the mental makeup is everything. The goods news is that there's an off season to improve.
Do I expect it? Sure. To the extent that would warrant how high Peppers was drafted in relation to the impact he 'should' have on this defense....? Not so much.
I'm just joking around...
Let's get him in the strong safety spot where he belongs, then we'll see.
But I'll be honest, I wanted nothing to do with the Browns taking him that high, he just screamed: "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" to me. A guy whose athletic ability allows him to do many things in college, but doesn't have a specific skill set to allow him to thrive in the pros.
I'm just joking around...
Let's get him in the strong safety spot where he belongs, then we'll see.
But I'll be honest, I wanted nothing to do with the Browns taking him that high, he just screamed: "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" to me. A guy whose athletic ability allows him to do many things in college, but doesn't have a specific skill set to allow him to thrive in the pros.
Well that wasn't on him in college. We moved him all around because he was our best player at 6 spots. He put the team first and hurt his draft stock.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
And Woody's 2017 Peppers Apology Tour rambles on toward 2018 with no let up!
There's no apology tour needed. He's still a decent kid with physical gifts but the mental makeup is everything. The goods news is that there's an off season to improve.
Do I expect it? Sure. To the extent that would warrant how high Peppers was drafted in relation to the impact he 'should' have on this defense....? Not so much.
There's no apology tour needed. He's still a decent kid with physical gifts but the mental makeup is everything. The goods news is that there's an off season to improve.
Do I expect it? Sure. To the extent that would warrant how high Peppers was drafted in relation to the impact he 'should' have on this defense....? Not so much.
What impact "should" someone have playing in a different zip code each play?
And of course he'll get better. As much as the athleticism is what you saw on the field, the coaches at Michigan loved his football IQ.
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I'm just joking around...
Let's get him in the strong safety spot where he belongs, then we'll see.
But I'll be honest, I wanted nothing to do with the Browns taking him that high, he just screamed: "Jack of All Trades, Master of None" to me. A guy whose athletic ability allows him to do many things in college, but doesn't have a specific skill set to allow him to thrive in the pros.
Well that wasn't on him in college. We moved him all around because he was our best player at 6 spots. He put the team first and hurt his draft stock.
Well that wasn't on him in college. We moved him all around because he was our best player at 6 spots. He put the team first and hurt his draft stock.
That's true, to a point. TTUN's coaching staff did him no favors pertaining to his future pro aspirations.
That being said, defensively, he really wasn't that productive. He produced next to no turnovers, correct?
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Well that wasn't on him in college. We moved him all around because he was our best player at 6 spots. He put the team first and hurt his draft stock.
That's true, to a point. TTUN's coaching staff did him no favors pertaining to his future pro aspirations.
That being said, defensively, he really wasn't that productive. He produced next to no turnovers, correct?
That's true, to a point. TTUN's coaching staff did him no favors pertaining to his future pro aspirations.
That being said, defensively, he really wasn't that productive. He produced next to no turnovers, correct?
Correct, but we didn't really put him in a position to pick the ball off much. He was mainly setting the edge, blitzing, etc. In what we asked him to do, and how we wanted him to disrupt offensive gameplans, he was very effective
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That's true, to a point. TTUN's coaching staff did him no favors pertaining to his future pro aspirations.
That being said, defensively, he really wasn't that productive. He produced next to no turnovers, correct?
Correct, but we didn't really put him in a position to pick the ball off much. He was mainly setting the edge, blitzing, etc. In what we asked him to do, and how we wanted him to disrupt offensive gameplans, he was very effective
Correct, but we didn't really put him in a position to pick the ball off much. He was mainly setting the edge, blitzing, etc. In what we asked him to do, and how we wanted him to disrupt offensive gameplans, he was very effective
I guess the problem many people had with the Browns taking him in the first round was that he was a real "projection over production" type of guy.
But let's not dismiss the fact that he played at TTUN. There's a definite portion of the Browns fanbase who is not down with that, ever. I just want quality players, regardless of where they played college ball.
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