Black Monday follows Bloody Sunday
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I think that Nero put it quite well in another thread: It would be MOST ironic if the coach that Haslam KEEPS is the one with the worst 2 year record in history. (paraphrasing)
I think that Nero put it quite well in another thread: It would be MOST ironic if the coach that Haslam KEEPS is the one with the worst 2 year record in history. (paraphrasing)
Thanks Nero,as many have posted, your a keeper around here. (thinking I heard addition 4th) MOST ironic of Browning? would be if Dorsey steps down wanting HueJax out but team captains & Haslem squash that bug...even after Dorsey’s ? on coaching assessments to Haslem...we are notorious in the ironic business
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I think at this point we need to weigh the impact of firing another coach after 2 years (how it makes us look to other potential coaches in the future, etc) against how many games Hue “lost” for us this year. The players seem to love the guy, and it’s not like any coach out there is going to make us an 8 win team next year. I honestly have no idea which is the better decision.
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I think at this point we need to weigh the impact of firing another coach after 2 years (how it makes us look to other potential coaches in the future, etc) against how many games Hue “lost” for us this year. The players seem to love the guy, and it’s not like any coach out there is going to make us an 8 win team next year. I honestly have no idea which is the better decision.
I think at this point we need to weigh the impact of firing another coach after 2 years (how it makes us look to other potential coaches in the future, etc) against how many games Hue “lost” for us this year.
...not a good enough reason to keep a HC that's doing a lousy job. (or a 'fairly' lousy job)
I, like most everyone else, do NOT want to change coaches. We need stability. We need continuity. But that's NOT a good enough reason to keep a coach. The REASON you keep a coach is because he's good. Just like the players. You don't keep a player that's not good. You cut him and sign someone else.
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I think at this point we need to weigh the impact of firing another coach after 2 years (how it makes us look to other potential coaches in the future, etc) against how many games Hue “lost” for us this year.
...not a good enough reason to keep a HC that's doing a lousy job. (or a 'fairly' lousy job)
I, like most everyone else, do NOT want to change coaches. We need stability. We need continuity. But that's NOT a good enough reason to keep a coach. The REASON you keep a coach is because he's good. Just like the players. You don't keep a player that's not good. You cut him and sign someone else.
...not a good enough reason to keep a HC that's doing a lousy job. (or a 'fairly' lousy job)
I, like most everyone else, do NOT want to change coaches. We need stability. We need continuity. But that's NOT a good enough reason to keep a coach. The REASON you keep a coach is because he's good. Just like the players. You don't keep a player that's not good. You cut him and sign someone else.
So we cut most everybody signed by Sashi, then.
Coleman can be the first to go.
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...not a good enough reason to keep a HC that's doing a lousy job. (or a 'fairly' lousy job)
I, like most everyone else, do NOT want to change coaches. We need stability. We need continuity. But that's NOT a good enough reason to keep a coach. The REASON you keep a coach is because he's good. Just like the players. You don't keep a player that's not good. You cut him and sign someone else.
So we cut most everybody signed by Sashi, then.
Coleman can be the first to go.
So we cut most everybody signed by Sashi, then.
Coleman can be the first to go.
and Kizer
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so who is in control of the hiring of the O.C,,,,,,,I believe that if it is Dorsey then at some point next year we will be looking at are next head coach that way everyone saves face after hue starts out 0-6
so who is in control of the hiring of the O.C
Staff is generally the decision of the HC at the Coordinator level. And in turn the coordinators get involved in the position coach hires.
GM's usually supply a candidate list.
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Sunday...Bloody Sunday (U2)
So Black Monday follows the last Sunday of the regular season.
No team has said that they will fire their HC to this point in time (Saturday night, before Bloody Sunday). Of course, you CAN'T say that while there are still more games to be played.
OUR owner, about a month ago, after firing Sashi and hiring Dorsey, stated that the HC will be back for 2018. But I don't believe that to be true. You cannot justify to season ticket holders...or fans in general, that you are bringing back a coach that just went 0-16. Or 1-31 over a two year span. (even if all the stars line up in a row and the Steelers lose to the Browns)
Haslam is a marketing man. He KNOWS there's no market for a coach who's team performs like that...no matter WHAT the circumstances.
Now, one may say that Jimmy didn't HAVE to say that the coach would be back for 2018. That he could've said that the HC would be evaluated at season's end...like all other players and coaches. But after just firing the head honcho (Sashi), it would've sounded just like saying Hue would be fired. PLUS, we all know that Jimmy is a liar (he had no idea that his company was making tons of money by screwing customers out of their rebates).
I'm saying that Hue is a Black Monday casualty. But I'm not betting on it....because it's the Browns...and it just seems that nothing is normal when it comes to the Browns. Well, abnormal is normal I guess.
The problem is, Haslam and Dorsey have painted themselves into a corner. If they fire him, then their word is worth nothing. It would be just another black eye on a franchise, that honestly, should be moved to another city and renamed. Why keep shidding on the Browns brand?
The problem is, Haslam and Dorsey have painted themselves into a corner. If they fire him, then their word is worth nothing. It would be just another black eye on a franchise, that honestly, should be moved to another city and renamed. Why keep shidding on the Browns brand?
Keeping him around after going 0 and 16 and such a disgraceful fashion is as big a black eye to the franchise as anything could be.
WSS
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The problem is, Haslam and Dorsey have painted themselves into a corner. If they fire him, then their word is worth nothing. It would be just another black eye on a franchise, that honestly, should be moved to another city and renamed. Why keep shidding on the Browns brand?
Keeping him around after going 0 and 16 and such a disgraceful fashion is as big a black eye to the franchise as anything could be.
WSS
Keeping him around after going 0 and 16 and such a disgraceful fashion is as big a black eye to the franchise as anything could be.
Agree, but it really depends on Jimmah's, Dorsey's and Hue's ability to scapegoat Sashi... and so far they are all in line.
Which brings up another point in Hue's favor... Can Jimmah stand publicly admitting he was wrong again in closing both of his main guys?
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Keeping him around after going 0 and 16 and such a disgraceful fashion is as big a black eye to the franchise as anything could be.
Agree, but it really depends on Jimmah's, Dorsey's and Hue's ability to scapegoat Sashi... and so far they are all in line.
Which brings up another point in Hue's favor... Can Jimmah stand publicly admitting he was wrong again in closing both of his main guys?
Agree, but it really depends on Jimmah's, Dorsey's and Hue's ability to scapegoat Sashi... and so far they are all in line.
Which brings up another point in Hue's favor... Can Jimmah stand publicly admitting he was wrong again in closing both of his main guys?
I think he gets a pass with Coach Jackson. This was the guy the entire league and all the media was agog over, and no one ever thought he would stoop to taking a job with the lonely Cleveland Browns. Jimmy put together some sort of a deal and made him feel comfortable so it would have appeared we won that battle.
Now after 2 seasons and only one when I can't imagine anyone seriously criticizing the owner for admitting a mistake that everybody and football but was a slam dunk.
Unfortunately like DeShone Kizer, Hue Jackson seems like a nice earnest and hard-working man, nobody really wants to see him fail.
But we do have to admit it really looks like he played his way out of a job. I'm not sure that another full year under the same conditions would be helpful or more akin to driving that car another 100 miles after the oil light comes on.
WSS
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Agree, but it really depends on Jimmah's, Dorsey's and Hue's ability to scapegoat Sashi... and so far they are all in line.
Which brings up another point in Hue's favor... Can Jimmah stand publicly admitting he was wrong again in closing both of his main guys?
I think he gets a pass with Coach Jackson. This was the guy the entire league and all the media was agog over, and no one ever thought he would stoop to taking a job with the lonely Cleveland Browns. Jimmy put together some sort of a deal and made him feel comfortable so it would have appeared we won that battle.
Now after 2 seasons and only one when I can't imagine anyone seriously criticizing the owner for admitting a mistake that everybody and football but was a slam dunk.
Unfortunately like DeShone Kizer, Hue Jackson seems like a nice earnest and hard-working man, nobody really wants to see him fail.
But we do have to admit it really looks like he played his way out of a job. I'm not sure that another full year under the same conditions would be helpful or more akin to driving that car another 100 miles after the oil light comes on.
WSS
I think he gets a pass with Coach Jackson. This was the guy the entire league and all the media was agog over,
I was actually happy that JImmy got the guy he was after for once. But after these two seasons it really would be hard to fault Jimmy for firing Hue. And much easier to fault him for keeping him.
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Keeping him around after going 0 and 16 and such a disgraceful fashion is as big a black eye to the franchise as anything could be.
Agree, but it really depends on Jimmah's, Dorsey's and Hue's ability to scapegoat Sashi... and so far they are all in line.
Which brings up another point in Hue's favor... Can Jimmah stand publicly admitting he was wrong again in closing both of his main guys?
Agree, but it really depends on Jimmah's, Dorsey's and Hue's ability to scapegoat Sashi... and so far they are all in line.
but fortunately people don't buy that fully. Hue can't say "oh I didn't have any players so what do you expect me to do?" because the expectation for a team with no players is to not go 1-31 in today's nfl.
the overall reaction to haslam keeping hue has been mostly negative i think. As it should be.
Dorsey has some time for now....he'll be judged on this draft and the next draft.
Im thinking our o/u next year will be 5.5 or so. Will be interesting to see when we go 6-10 does hue then get another year? I guess so...because if you start at 1-31 and then go 6-10 you keep your job....
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So Bloody Sunday has claimed Pagano and Del Rio so far.
A Pagano-Ariens reunion in CLE is something I could get interested in.
Dorsey has some time for now....he'll be judged on this draft and the next draft.
Im thinking our o/u next year will be 5.5 or so. Will be interesting to see when we go 6-10 does hue then get another year? I guess so...because if you start at 1-31 and then go 6-10 you keep your job....
O/U seems reasonable... I'll take the under.
Dorsey is in a great situation. He'd have to try to completely whiff on the draft position he inherited. Hue gets all the blame for the season to come. And Dorsey more high picks in 2019 for his new HC.
@boo-fagley said:
Hey dumbfock
Look at the record.
So pissing away a #1 would have been worth a couple wins?
Care to go for the rare triple fuc-king-moron?
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