All bullsht aside now, does football belong in clev?
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Cleveland........... IS............... football!! NEVER, EVER think of taking football out of Cleveland! Maybe YOU should just move, or jump on the Steeler bandwagon.
Yeah but if players dont feel that way its a moot point. I almost feel like it would take some local kid like lebron to come to clev and resuscitate the franchise. Short of that what is going to make players care? They know if they can just get out of cleveland they can go start on their real career somewhere else.
but if players dont feel that way its a moot point.
I've said it before, the players union and free agency has changed the players viewpoint of the game. Team loyalty and rivalries only exist in fandome now.
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You need a journal to write in after each game... I get it your emotional, but your post-game posts are a bit much...
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but if players dont feel that way its a moot point.
I've said it before, the players union and free agency has changed the players viewpoint of the game. Team loyalty and rivalries only exist in fandome now.
I've said it before, the players union and free agency has changed the players viewpoint of the game. Team loyalty and rivalries only exist in fandome now.
Wow. So asking for a piece of the owner's pie is wrong?
It's a two way street there sir.
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Wow. So asking for a piece of the owner's pie is wrong?
It's a two way street there sir.
I don't understand your response. (I guess I'm not smart enough)
Is there something in my statement above that is incorrect?
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Wow. So asking for a piece of the owner's pie is wrong?
It's a two way street there sir.
oh, baloney. How many millions do most players make? WT hell? They don't ask, their union reps try to DEMAND,
OWN, and CONTROL. It's what the left does. Organize, antagonize, then whine when they aren't allowed to be bosses of
everything. Do you honestly think that NFL players play for minimum wage or something???
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Is there something in my statement above that is incorrect?
Not incorrect, just not telling the whole story.
Free agency has indeed had a negative impact on loyalty from both union and management. Players want to get paid,owners want a salary cap. The result is you don't have a Charlie Hall, for example,on the team for the entire career.
I'm fairly certain it was Curt Flood, of the MLB Cardinals that was the 1st ever to fight for free agency, citing anti-trust laws. He lost, but opened up the "Flood" gates so, to speak.
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Wow. So asking for a piece of the owner's pie is wrong?
It's a two way street there sir.
oh, baloney. How many millions do most players make? WT hell? They don't ask, their union reps try to DEMAND,
OWN, and CONTROL. It's what the left does. Organize, antagonize, then whine when they aren't allowed to be bosses of
everything. Do you honestly think that NFL players play for minimum wage or something???
Do you honestly think that NFL players play for minimum wage or something???
Of course not.
I don't have figures in front of me, but with revenue sharing, the teams basically split 1/32 of the TV money. Ticket money is gravy. And there are rookie minimums, for instance. Merchandise sales are split a certain way as well. There's plenty of cash to go around.
I don't think anybody on this forum gives a rats butt what players and owners make, we just want a winner.
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I'm not saying that the players union and FA is a bad thing......example: Archie Manning playing his whole career for the Saints who never gave him squat to compete with. But it HAS to some extent left the league as one big mishmash of players....loyal to themselves only.
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I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
well clevefor life, i have been saying this for yrs and yrs and yrs now...just what you pointed out...the once great players that are washed up come here for a yr or 2 just to get some extra bucks in their pockets...from the willie mcginnis' to the jake delhommes to the jamal lewis' etc etc...its been this way forever, yet there are still some blockheads on this board that insist the good fa's are on the way...pfffffffft...they don't get it...as far as football in cleve, i would rather see a hockey franchise now and get rid of football...it will never happen but its my wish. MAYBE THEN WE COULD KNOCK THE Sheet OUT OF THE PENGUINS AND AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT....
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I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
well clevefor life, i have been saying this for yrs and yrs and yrs now...just what you pointed out...the once great players that are washed up come here for a yr or 2 just to get some extra bucks in their pockets...from the willie mcginnis' to the jake delhommes to the jamal lewis' etc etc...its been this way forever, yet there are still some blockheads on this board that insist the good fa's are on the way...pfffffffft...they don't get it...as far as football in cleve, i would rather see a hockey franchise now and get rid of football...it will never happen but its my wish. MAYBE THEN WE COULD KNOCK THE Sheet OUT OF THE PENGUINS AND AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT....
well clevefor life, i have been saying this for yrs and yrs and yrs now...just what you pointed out...the once great players that are washed up come here for a yr or 2 just to get some extra bucks in their pockets...from the willie mcginnis' to the jake delhommes to the jamal lewis' etc etc...its been this way forever, yet there are still some blockheads on this board that insist the good fa's are on the way...pfffffffft...they don't get it...as far as football in cleve, i would rather see a hockey franchise now and get rid of football...it will never happen but its my wish. MAYBE THEN WE COULD KNOCK THE Sheet OUT OF THE PENGUINS AND AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT....
So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
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Im a casual nhl fan, caps are my team...i met ovechkin through my bro in law so im essentially obligated. And i see how much prob that loaded a'ss team has with penguins every year. Penguins ate just stupid good
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I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
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well clevefor life, i have been saying this for yrs and yrs and yrs now...just what you pointed out...the once great players that are washed up come here for a yr or 2 just to get some extra bucks in their pockets...from the willie mcginnis' to the jake delhommes to the jamal lewis' etc etc...its been this way forever, yet there are still some blockheads on this board that insist the good fa's are on the way...pfffffffft...they don't get it...as far as football in cleve, i would rather see a hockey franchise now and get rid of football...it will never happen but its my wish. MAYBE THEN WE COULD KNOCK THE Sheet OUT OF THE PENGUINS AND AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT....
So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
they would have issues developing but what the heck, how much worse can it get watching the browns for 20yrs not competing...i'm just saying...give it a shot...
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I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
well put........i can't believe that even 1 person would go watch this garbage after all these yrs of setting records of shame, yr after yr....Shmuck, invest that money in apple stock, you will be better off...
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I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
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Damn gip is dropping the double stamps tonight. But can u triple stamp a double stamp? I feel like some wise men went over this......
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So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
they would have issues developing but what the heck, how much worse can it get watching the browns for 20yrs not competing...i'm just saying...give it a shot...
they would have issues developing but what the heck, how much worse can it get watching the browns for 20yrs not competing...i'm just saying...give it a shot...
The NHL was doing well here, after the California Golden Seals bolted from the Bay Area. The Gunds (yep) decided to partner up with the Minnesota North Stars after only two seasons in Cleveland. Eventually, they became the Dallas Stars, and Minnesota got an expansion team (Wild). It was kind of a ponzi-scheme, and a slap in the face to hockey fans here. Cleveland was a great hockey town, supported the AHL Barons and WHA Crusaders for a long long time.
So the NHL also expanded into hockey hotbeds (sigh) Tampa Bay, Columbus, Raleigh, Phoenix, and relocated other franchises (Atlanta twice). Sadly, I doubt Cleveland will ever get another shot, as we're surrounded by Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Detroit, and of course Columbus.
Additionally, call me a moron or whatever, but it is NOT 20 years of crap, it's 10. 38-122 since 2008 season.
Cleveland is the 19th largest media market in the USA, down from 12th in the 1980s. Plus, football is too loved around these parts. Am I, and others concerned about the Browns fan base? Sure, as the younger crowd hasn't seen much of any success. Guys like me, fans for 45+ years aren't going anywhere, they're our team despite the product presently.
Nobody has a crystal ball, but it's John Dorsey's job now to fix it. I'm going to remain optimistic despite Haslam's presence; isn't that what fans do?
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