All bullsht aside now, does football belong in clev?
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Im a casual nhl fan, caps are my team...i met ovechkin through my bro in law so im essentially obligated. And i see how much prob that loaded a'ss team has with penguins every year. Penguins ate just stupid good
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I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
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well clevefor life, i have been saying this for yrs and yrs and yrs now...just what you pointed out...the once great players that are washed up come here for a yr or 2 just to get some extra bucks in their pockets...from the willie mcginnis' to the jake delhommes to the jamal lewis' etc etc...its been this way forever, yet there are still some blockheads on this board that insist the good fa's are on the way...pfffffffft...they don't get it...as far as football in cleve, i would rather see a hockey franchise now and get rid of football...it will never happen but its my wish. MAYBE THEN WE COULD KNOCK THE Sheet OUT OF THE PENGUINS AND AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT....
So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
they would have issues developing but what the heck, how much worse can it get watching the browns for 20yrs not competing...i'm just saying...give it a shot...
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I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
well put........i can't believe that even 1 person would go watch this garbage after all these yrs of setting records of shame, yr after yr....Shmuck, invest that money in apple stock, you will be better off...
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I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
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Damn gip is dropping the double stamps tonight. But can u triple stamp a double stamp? I feel like some wise men went over this......
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So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
they would have issues developing but what the heck, how much worse can it get watching the browns for 20yrs not competing...i'm just saying...give it a shot...
they would have issues developing but what the heck, how much worse can it get watching the browns for 20yrs not competing...i'm just saying...give it a shot...
The NHL was doing well here, after the California Golden Seals bolted from the Bay Area. The Gunds (yep) decided to partner up with the Minnesota North Stars after only two seasons in Cleveland. Eventually, they became the Dallas Stars, and Minnesota got an expansion team (Wild). It was kind of a ponzi-scheme, and a slap in the face to hockey fans here. Cleveland was a great hockey town, supported the AHL Barons and WHA Crusaders for a long long time.
So the NHL also expanded into hockey hotbeds (sigh) Tampa Bay, Columbus, Raleigh, Phoenix, and relocated other franchises (Atlanta twice). Sadly, I doubt Cleveland will ever get another shot, as we're surrounded by Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Detroit, and of course Columbus.
Additionally, call me a moron or whatever, but it is NOT 20 years of crap, it's 10. 38-122 since 2008 season.
Cleveland is the 19th largest media market in the USA, down from 12th in the 1980s. Plus, football is too loved around these parts. Am I, and others concerned about the Browns fan base? Sure, as the younger crowd hasn't seen much of any success. Guys like me, fans for 45+ years aren't going anywhere, they're our team despite the product presently.
Nobody has a crystal ball, but it's John Dorsey's job now to fix it. I'm going to remain optimistic despite Haslam's presence; isn't that what fans do?
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@boo-fagley said:
It would be a travesty not to have NFL in Cleveland.
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I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
I agree & this idiotic "parade" provides MORE ammo to those who may be in favor of moving the Browns. IF the Browns move again, we would NOT get them back & that would be a travesty.
The Browns belong NOWHERE but Cleveland.
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
Cleveland........... IS............... football!! NEVER, EVER think of taking football out of Cleveland! Maybe YOU should just move, or jump on the Steeler bandwagon.
Cleveland........... IS............... football!! NEVER, EVER think of taking football out of Cleveland! Maybe YOU should just move, or jump on the Steeler bandwagon.
I highly recommend the movie that is out now, "Darkest Hour"............................................Winston Churchill's "We shall never surrender!" speech delivered with such style by Gary Oldman whom I hope is up for an academy award for the part. The movie IS where the Cleveland Browns fans are today.
EDIT: He is in fact favored by some to win Best Actor.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/03/oscars-2018-best-actor-predictions-1201789016/
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Anyone who thinks the Browns couldn't move is wrong. Of course they could. Way bigger markets with warmer climates are out there.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Wow. So asking for a piece of the owner's pie is wrong?
It's a two way street there sir.
oh, baloney. How many millions do most players make? WT hell? They don't ask, their union reps try to DEMAND,
OWN, and CONTROL. It's what the left does. Organize, antagonize, then whine when they aren't allowed to be bosses of
everything. Do you honestly think that NFL players play for minimum wage or something???
oh, baloney. How many millions do most players make? WT hell? They don't ask, their union reps try to DEMAND,
OWN, and CONTROL. It's what the left does. Organize, antagonize, then whine when they aren't allowed to be bosses of
everything. Do you honestly think that NFL players play for minimum wage or something???
So now it’s Hilary’s fault that the Browns stink? I thought the Deep State was busy confiscating pickup trucks and cutting off the painkiller supply to Columbus!
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In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
I agree & this idiotic "parade" provides MORE ammo to those who may be in favor of moving the Browns. IF the Browns move again, we would NOT get them back & that would be a travesty.
The Browns belong NOWHERE but Cleveland.
Mike
The Browns belong NOWHERE but Cleveland.
Mike
Um..be careful. That can be easily construed the wrong way by idiots who make fun of the city that we love.
This city deserves better than the Browns.
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The Browns belong NOWHERE but Cleveland.
Mike
Um..be careful. That can be easily construed the wrong way by idiots who make fun of the city that we love.
This city deserves better than the Browns.
Um..be careful. That can be easily construed the wrong way by idiots who make fun of the city that we love.
This city deserves better than the Browns.
Ahh No..Cleveland needs More Browns fans..ever been here for Cavs or Indians tailgate?..Browns fans bring it.. we just need a better product lead by a true football owner..
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Anyone who thinks the Browns couldn't move is wrong. Of course they could. Way bigger markets with warmer climates are out there.
Anyone who thinks the Browns couldn't move is wrong. Of course they could. Way bigger markets with warmer climates are out there.
I don't think there are that many bigger markets out there. And how many will be willing to pony up the 1 billion dollars to build a new stadium? Not as many as you think.
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Anyone who thinks the Browns couldn't move is wrong. Of course they could. Way bigger markets with warmer climates are out there.
I don't think there are that many bigger markets out there. And how many will be willing to pony up the 1 billion dollars to build a new stadium? Not as many as you think.
I don't think there are that many bigger markets out there. And how many will be willing to pony up the 1 billion dollars to build a new stadium? Not as many as you think.
It only takes a few. Hasnt san antonio been clamoring for a team?
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