All bullsht aside now, does football belong in clev?
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So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
So u think a hockey franchise will spring forth from the ether and
1) wont have the exact same issue attracting top tier talent
And
2) will immediately compete with a franchise that is essentially the new england patriots of the NHL
????
<sigh><facepalm><moarsighing>
they would have issues developing but what the heck, how much worse can it get watching the browns for 20yrs not competing...i'm just saying...give it a shot...
they would have issues developing but what the heck, how much worse can it get watching the browns for 20yrs not competing...i'm just saying...give it a shot...
The NHL was doing well here, after the California Golden Seals bolted from the Bay Area. The Gunds (yep) decided to partner up with the Minnesota North Stars after only two seasons in Cleveland. Eventually, they became the Dallas Stars, and Minnesota got an expansion team (Wild). It was kind of a ponzi-scheme, and a slap in the face to hockey fans here. Cleveland was a great hockey town, supported the AHL Barons and WHA Crusaders for a long long time.
So the NHL also expanded into hockey hotbeds (sigh) Tampa Bay, Columbus, Raleigh, Phoenix, and relocated other franchises (Atlanta twice). Sadly, I doubt Cleveland will ever get another shot, as we're surrounded by Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Detroit, and of course Columbus.
Additionally, call me a moron or whatever, but it is NOT 20 years of crap, it's 10. 38-122 since 2008 season.
Cleveland is the 19th largest media market in the USA, down from 12th in the 1980s. Plus, football is too loved around these parts. Am I, and others concerned about the Browns fan base? Sure, as the younger crowd hasn't seen much of any success. Guys like me, fans for 45+ years aren't going anywhere, they're our team despite the product presently.
Nobody has a crystal ball, but it's John Dorsey's job now to fix it. I'm going to remain optimistic despite Haslam's presence; isn't that what fans do?
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@boo-fagley said:
It would be a travesty not to have NFL in Cleveland.
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I ask this because its painfully clr now that no matter how many fuks we give about the browns, these players give none. Zero. Obviously theres a few noteable exceptiobs over the last 29 years, but overall olayers come here and dont fire out. Their either waiting for their rookie contracts to come up or sone dude at the end who wants to con one last team fir a final contract he knows he only had to play like a year for to get that guaranteed $$
i hobestly dont think goid football will ever be played here again. It would take a marvin lewis situation where a coach and FO are given like 10 years but we know thats brver going to fly here so whats the point? Its done, over. When u got players that dont give no fuks about playing for this team or the city they sleepwalk through games. Their minds just aren't on the field. Thats why we have ridiculous penalties and drops on perfectly thrown passes.
Im at the point where id rather see local ohio kids on the field than these drafted players that dont care......or just no football in clev period.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
I agree & this idiotic "parade" provides MORE ammo to those who may be in favor of moving the Browns. IF the Browns move again, we would NOT get them back & that would be a travesty.
The Browns belong NOWHERE but Cleveland.
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
Cleveland........... IS............... football!! NEVER, EVER think of taking football out of Cleveland! Maybe YOU should just move, or jump on the Steeler bandwagon.
Cleveland........... IS............... football!! NEVER, EVER think of taking football out of Cleveland! Maybe YOU should just move, or jump on the Steeler bandwagon.
I highly recommend the movie that is out now, "Darkest Hour"............................................Winston Churchill's "We shall never surrender!" speech delivered with such style by Gary Oldman whom I hope is up for an academy award for the part. The movie IS where the Cleveland Browns fans are today.
EDIT: He is in fact favored by some to win Best Actor.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/03/oscars-2018-best-actor-predictions-1201789016/
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Anyone who thinks the Browns couldn't move is wrong. Of course they could. Way bigger markets with warmer climates are out there.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Wow. So asking for a piece of the owner's pie is wrong?
It's a two way street there sir.
oh, baloney. How many millions do most players make? WT hell? They don't ask, their union reps try to DEMAND,
OWN, and CONTROL. It's what the left does. Organize, antagonize, then whine when they aren't allowed to be bosses of
everything. Do you honestly think that NFL players play for minimum wage or something???
oh, baloney. How many millions do most players make? WT hell? They don't ask, their union reps try to DEMAND,
OWN, and CONTROL. It's what the left does. Organize, antagonize, then whine when they aren't allowed to be bosses of
everything. Do you honestly think that NFL players play for minimum wage or something???
So now it’s Hilary’s fault that the Browns stink? I thought the Deep State was busy confiscating pickup trucks and cutting off the painkiller supply to Columbus!
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In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
I agree & this idiotic "parade" provides MORE ammo to those who may be in favor of moving the Browns. IF the Browns move again, we would NOT get them back & that would be a travesty.
The Browns belong NOWHERE but Cleveland.
Mike
The Browns belong NOWHERE but Cleveland.
Mike
Um..be careful. That can be easily construed the wrong way by idiots who make fun of the city that we love.
This city deserves better than the Browns.
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The Browns belong NOWHERE but Cleveland.
Mike
Um..be careful. That can be easily construed the wrong way by idiots who make fun of the city that we love.
This city deserves better than the Browns.
Um..be careful. That can be easily construed the wrong way by idiots who make fun of the city that we love.
This city deserves better than the Browns.
Ahh No..Cleveland needs More Browns fans..ever been here for Cavs or Indians tailgate?..Browns fans bring it.. we just need a better product lead by a true football owner..
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Anyone who thinks the Browns couldn't move is wrong. Of course they could. Way bigger markets with warmer climates are out there.
Anyone who thinks the Browns couldn't move is wrong. Of course they could. Way bigger markets with warmer climates are out there.
I don't think there are that many bigger markets out there. And how many will be willing to pony up the 1 billion dollars to build a new stadium? Not as many as you think.
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Anyone who thinks the Browns couldn't move is wrong. Of course they could. Way bigger markets with warmer climates are out there.
I don't think there are that many bigger markets out there. And how many will be willing to pony up the 1 billion dollars to build a new stadium? Not as many as you think.
I don't think there are that many bigger markets out there. And how many will be willing to pony up the 1 billion dollars to build a new stadium? Not as many as you think.
It only takes a few. Hasnt san antonio been clamoring for a team?
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It only takes a few. Hasnt san antonio been clamoring for a team?
Maybe...but Jerry Jones seems to think he owns that market so he would block any team from moving there.
There aren't as many cities as one would think, and the stadium issue will always be a huge stumbling block.
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The Browns (or at least our franchise) moved once, of course they can move again.... doesn't mean they should. But there are those including the "let's throw a parade" a$$-hats who are doing all they can to push the Browns out of Cleveland... and they'll be the first to decry the "lack of loyalty" should a move ever be considered.
@boo-fagley said:
Have another drink
Yeah... Gip's comprehension was way off the mark, but I am not sure that'd help.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Personally im enjoying the fuk out of gips double stamps
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Damn gip is dropping the double stamps tonight. But can u triple stamp a double stamp? I feel like some wise men went over this......
Damn gip is dropping the double stamps tonight. But can u triple stamp a double stamp? I feel like some wise men went over this......
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The Browns (or at least our franchise) moved once, of course they can move again.... doesn't mean they should. But there are those including the "let's throw a parade" a$$-hats who are doing all they can to push the Browns out of Cleveland... and they'll be the first to decry the "lack of loyalty" should a move ever be considered.
@boo-fagley said:
Have another drink
Yeah... Gip's comprehension was way off the mark, but I am not sure that'd help.
The Browns (or at least our franchise) moved once, of course they can move again.... doesn't mean they should. But there are those including the "let's throw a parade" a$$-hats who are doing all they can to push the Browns out of Cleveland... and they'll be the first to decry the "lack of loyalty" should a move ever be considered.
Yeah... Gip's comprehension was way off the mark, but I am not sure that'd help.
The parade is a dumb idea. I wouldn't mock my team by showing up for it. Be pissed off, hope for better is all you can do.
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I'd go if it was in S.A. because they have a new 80 and 85 mph legal straight shot on 130 Toll Road from Georgetown to I-10 just east of SA. Just start them in the Alamodome and go from there when ready. And BTW no sane person drives to Jerryworld from anywhere S of Austin to see the boys. More likely to Steal fans from the Texans.
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Do you honestly think that NFL players play for minimum wage or something???
Of course not.
I don't have figures in front of me, but with revenue sharing, the teams basically split 1/32 of the TV money. Ticket money is gravy. And there are rookie minimums, for instance. Merchandise sales are split a certain way as well. There's plenty of cash to go around.
I don't think anybody on this forum gives a rats butt what players and owners make, we just want a winner.
Of course not.
I don't have figures in front of me, but with revenue sharing, the teams basically split 1/32 of the TV money. Ticket money is gravy. And there are rookie minimums, for instance. Merchandise sales are split a certain way as well. There's plenty of cash to go around.
I don't think anybody on this forum gives a rats butt what players and owners make, we just want a winner.
Yeah but when you go on browns reddit and see the lineman running up a $37,000 restaurant tab, to be paid by rookies, while they play like chit, it stings. And yes I give two rat's asses knowing Hasbeen is still getting rich of this and not using cap money at all. Can't even have cheerleaders he's so cheap. We have a volunteer drum line. Thanks, Shady Yimmie Hasbeen.
I fully support a boycott until Hue goes.
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In the coming few years the NFL will absolutely consolodate or refocus their concentration. Cleveland is a shrinking market and right now, a joke.
Anyone who thinks this team is not at risk to be moved is kidding themselves.
well put........i can't believe that even 1 person would go watch this garbage after all these yrs of setting records of shame, yr after yr....Shmuck, invest that money in apple stock, you will be better off...
well put........i can't believe that even 1 person would go watch this garbage after all these yrs of setting records of shame, yr after yr....Shmuck, invest that money in apple stock, you will be better off...
The best thing about the Browns is this group. I was hopeful yesterday, and again, one of the stupid draft picks, Coleman, did what he does best, drops passes. Right now I can't imagine I will follow this team other than peripherally.
Honestly, what would make me the happiest is to learn that either Haslam was moving and renaming the team, or that because of changing market dynamice, the franchise was being folded. I believe Cleveland was complicit in losing the Browns in the first place. People in Cleveland hated Modell, they constantly asked him to "jump" to sell and to leave. THe fan base believed ANYONE would be better and that once Art left a champion would be moments away.
So, here is what Browns football without Art Modell looks like. Doug Dieken, Kosar and rapist Jim Brown telling newbie owners how to run the team and how to draft.
Screw this franchise.
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Browns aren't going anywhere:
A small portion of fans in Cleveland have started to wonder if the Browns will leave again given the team’s 88-200 record on the field since returning in 1999. Combine that with the fact they just finished their worst season in the 67-season history of the franchise, fan frustration that is resulting in fewer ticket sales and corporate sponsorship challenges and the concern is understandable.
But rest assured, the Browns are not going anywhere.
The 2-year, $125 million renovation of FirstEnergy Stadium completed between 2014-15 combined with a $20-plus million overhaul of the training complex in Berea through 2 separate renovations since the Haslam family bought the team in 2012, there is no doubt that franchise will play out their current lease which expires following the 2028 season.
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2017/01/12/chargers-move-to-la-affect-on-browns/
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