This reminds me of Holmgren/Mangini Part II
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Honest question: How many coaches have developed from low record first years to Superbowl contenders or playoff coaches?
I ask it because Marvin Lewis and Chuck Pagano, for example, survived some not-so-great years but because they had great years in their career beginnings (Lewis' first two years were 8-8 then to rise to 11-5 and reach playoffs 7 times).
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Honest question: How many coaches have developed from low record first years to Superbowl contenders or playoff coaches?
I ask it because Marvin Lewis and Chuck Pagano, for example, survived some not-so-great years but because they had great years in their career beginnings (Lewis' first two years were 8-8 then to rise to 11-5 and reach playoffs 7 times).
Honest question: How many coaches have developed from low record first years to Superbowl contenders or playoff coaches?
I ask it because Marvin Lewis and Chuck Pagano, for example, survived some not-so-great years but because they had great years in their career beginnings (Lewis' first two years were 8-8 then to rise to 11-5 and reach playoffs 7 times).
Chuck Noll was 1-13 in his first season (1969?) in Pittsburgh comes to mind.
John McKay started 0-26 for the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs in his first two seasons. In year four TB played the Rams in the NFC Championship Game.
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Honest question: How many coaches have developed from low record first years to Superbowl contenders or playoff coaches?
I ask it because Marvin Lewis and Chuck Pagano, for example, survived some not-so-great years but because they had great years in their career beginnings (Lewis' first two years were 8-8 then to rise to 11-5 and reach playoffs 7 times).
Chuck Noll was 1-13 in his first season (1969?) in Pittsburgh comes to mind.
John McKay started 0-26 for the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs in his first two seasons. In year four TB played the Rams in the NFC Championship Game.
Chuck Noll was 1-13 in his first season (1969?) in Pittsburgh comes to mind.
John McKay started 0-26 for the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs in his first two seasons. In year four TB played the Rams in the NFC Championship Game.
It tells you something when the first two coaches that come to mind were from more than 30 years ago...
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When Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert came to town years ago, they inherited Eric Mangini. Instead of getting rid of him and hiring their guy, they kept Mangini and gave him a season to "audition" for them. It went predictably poorly, in fact the Browns avoided drafting front seven defensemen that season because they didn't want to draft for the wrong scheme if Mangini was canned. Pretty much, it was a wasted year in the Holmgren run organizationally.
This leads me to what is going on right now. The Browns are 1-31 under Hue and this coaching staff. In theory, a 5-11 season would be a HUGE jump for the Browns next season, in comparison to the first two seasons, but at the end of the day, it's still a 5-11 season. I think that still gets Hue fired.
So IMO Hue has to get the Browns close to .500 next season to continue to be the head coach for the future. Considering these last two seasons, that would be damn near miraculous. If true, then it feels like a complete exercise in futility - another wasted year for the organization. Thoughts?
When Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert came to town years ago, they inherited Eric Mangini. Instead of getting rid of him and hiring their guy, they kept Mangini and gave him a season to "audition" for them. It went predictably poorly, in fact the Browns avoided drafting front seven defensemen that season because they didn't want to draft for the wrong scheme if Mangini was canned. Pretty much, it was a wasted year in the Holmgren run organizationally.
This leads me to what is going on right now. The Browns are 1-31 under Hue and this coaching staff. In theory, a 5-11 season would be a HUGE jump for the Browns next season, in comparison to the first two seasons, but at the end of the day, it's still a 5-11 season. I think that still gets Hue fired.
So IMO Hue has to get the Browns close to .500 next season to continue to be the head coach for the future. Considering these last two seasons, that would be damn near miraculous. If true, then it feels like a complete exercise in futility - another wasted year for the organization. Thoughts?
^ Exactly what will happen and exactly why I won't see a Browns snap next year...... Book another horrific season next year, followed by a new head coach and his staff which will lead to a 3-5 win season the following year.
On and on it will go.
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Chuck Noll was 1-13 in his first season (1969?) in Pittsburgh comes to mind.
John McKay started 0-26 for the expansion Tampa Bay Bucs in his first two seasons. In year four TB played the Rams in the NFC Championship Game.
It tells you something when the first two coaches that come to mind were from more than 30 years ago...
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When Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert came to town years ago, they inherited Eric Mangini. Instead of getting rid of him and hiring their guy, they kept Mangini and gave him a season to "audition" for them. It went predictably poorly, in fact the Browns avoided drafting front seven defensemen that season because they didn't want to draft for the wrong scheme if Mangini was canned. Pretty much, it was a wasted year in the Holmgren run organizationally.
This leads me to what is going on right now. The Browns are 1-31 under Hue and this coaching staff. In theory, a 5-11 season would be a HUGE jump for the Browns next season, in comparison to the first two seasons, but at the end of the day, it's still a 5-11 season. I think that still gets Hue fired.
So IMO Hue has to get the Browns close to .500 next season to continue to be the head coach for the future. Considering these last two seasons, that would be damn near miraculous. If true, then it feels like a complete exercise in futility - another wasted year for the organization. Thoughts?
When Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert came to town years ago, they inherited Eric Mangini. Instead of getting rid of him and hiring their guy, they kept Mangini and gave him a season to "audition" for them. It went predictably poorly, in fact the Browns avoided drafting front seven defensemen that season because they didn't want to draft for the wrong scheme if Mangini was canned. Pretty much, it was a wasted year in the Holmgren run organizationally.
This leads me to what is going on right now. The Browns are 1-31 under Hue and this coaching staff. In theory, a 5-11 season would be a HUGE jump for the Browns next season, in comparison to the first two seasons, but at the end of the day, it's still a 5-11 season. I think that still gets Hue fired.
So IMO Hue has to get the Browns close to .500 next season to continue to be the head coach for the future. Considering these last two seasons, that would be damn near miraculous. If true, then it feels like a complete exercise in futility - another wasted year for the organization. Thoughts?
Nailed it.
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It's a wasted season to keep Hue. He'll have excuses, and we might win 4-6 games next year, but unless jimmy decides to finally spend his money, I don't see us winning games with our current players and Hue. I know Joe Thomas is defending hue, but honestly, he probably wants continuity SO bad.
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When Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert came to town years ago, they inherited Eric Mangini. Instead of getting rid of him and hiring their guy, they kept Mangini and gave him a season to "audition" for them. It went predictably poorly, in fact the Browns avoided drafting front seven defensemen that season because they didn't want to draft for the wrong scheme if Mangini was canned. Pretty much, it was a wasted year in the Holmgren run organizationally.
This leads me to what is going on right now. The Browns are 1-31 under Hue and this coaching staff. In theory, a 5-11 season would be a HUGE jump for the Browns next season, in comparison to the first two seasons, but at the end of the day, it's still a 5-11 season. I think that still gets Hue fired.
So IMO Hue has to get the Browns close to .500 next season to continue to be the head coach for the future. Considering these last two seasons, that would be damn near miraculous. If true, then it feels like a complete exercise in futility - another wasted year for the organization. Thoughts?
.......So IMO Hue has to get the Browns close to .500 next season to continue to be the head coach for the future. Considering these last two seasons, that would be damn near miraculous. If true, then it feels like a complete exercise in futility - another wasted year for the organization. Thoughts?
1. Obviously the BROWNS have a loaded draft card and must have an A to A+ draft, the needs are still there primarily on offense. I'd like to see them get the best WR in the draft maybe with the best RB or OL in round 1 then address the QB situation. Trade up in a QB deal maybe.
2. The strength of this team now is the defense keep reinforcing that in rounds 2 and beyond.
3. A 6+ win season in Cleveland and they might throw a parade, this team was close to several wins earlier in the season then faded in any event Kizer will be the 1st or 2nd team QB but a good competition would sure be healthy -but- nobody on this board has any idea on what that might look like until after the draft and camps begin.
4. Hue might be irrelevant in the first half of the season at least unless they really bomb and he might be yanked. A wasted year? I don't think that the BROWNS can afford another one of those. I also can not wait to see how season ticket sales go next year......they better have a great draft!
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Na not the same Homlgren chose to keep Mangini. Dorsey has no choice when the owner says the coach is staying.
Tom Landry
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Na not the same Homlgren chose to keep Mangini. Dorsey has no choice when the owner says the coach is staying.
Tom Landry
Na not the same Homlgren chose to keep Mangini. Dorsey has no choice when the owner says the coach is staying.
Tom Landry
Splitting hairs.
Same situation...slightly different reasons.
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Na not the same Homlgren chose to keep Mangini. Dorsey has no choice when the owner says the coach is staying.
Tom Landry
Splitting hairs.
Same situation...slightly different reasons.
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You spelled "rat" wrong.
just saying compared to who we have had as H.C
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You spelled "rat" wrong.
just saying compared to who we have had as H.C
just saying compared to who we have had as H.C
I have mixed feelings about Mangini....the rat.
He treated the players like kids. Making them do a lap if they jumped offsides or caused a false start and stuff, in practice. But did that lower penalties in games? I think it did.
He emphasized special teams. If you were on the lower end of the roster and wanted to be 'up' for the game...then you had to be able to excel in ST. If you didn't, somebody else was up for the game and you sat in street clothes. So, he had pretty good ST.
Moot point anyway. He's a cherio floating in the milk.
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just saying compared to who we have had as H.C
I have mixed feelings about Mangini....the rat.
He treated the players like kids. Making them do a lap if they jumped offsides or caused a false start and stuff, in practice. But did that lower penalties in games? I think it did.
He emphasized special teams. If you were on the lower end of the roster and wanted to be 'up' for the game...then you had to be able to excel in ST. If you didn't, somebody else was up for the game and you sat in street clothes. So, he had pretty good ST.
Moot point anyway. He's a cherio floating in the milk.
I have mixed feelings about Mangini....the rat.
He treated the players like kids. Making them do a lap if they jumped offsides or caused a false start and stuff, in practice. But did that lower penalties in games? I think it did.
He emphasized special teams. If you were on the lower end of the roster and wanted to be 'up' for the game...then you had to be able to excel in ST. If you didn't, somebody else was up for the game and you sat in street clothes. So, he had pretty good ST.
Moot point anyway. He's a cherio floating in the milk.
Mangini kept a handful of special team veterans on the team, which also explains why the Browns were good on special teams during that time period. Guys like Ventrone, Costanzo, etc. Gritty Italian guys who would never smell playing time on offense or defense.
The counter to that is when you have guys on the roster who are strictly special teams guys, your overall depth suffers.
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Can't argue with the OP.
Haslam cannot self-evaluate. What the hell qualifications does he think he possesses to evaluate an NFL HC?
My speculation: "I pay the bills, so I make the decisions..." Total EGO BS. We all have to pay for his inferiority complex. The guy needs therapy...
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Can't argue with the OP.
Haslam cannot self-evaluate. What the hell qualifications does he think he possesses to evaluate an NFL HC?
My speculation: "I pay the bills, so I make the decisions..." Total EGO BS. We all have to pay for his inferiority complex. The guy needs therapy...
Can't argue with the OP.
Haslam cannot self-evaluate. What the hell qualifications does he think he possesses to evaluate an NFL HC?
My speculation: "I pay the bills, so I make the decisions..." Total EGO BS. We all have to pay for his inferiority complex. The guy needs therapy...
Reminds me of another con artist....
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Can't argue with the OP.
Haslam cannot self-evaluate. What the hell qualifications does he think he possesses to evaluate an NFL HC?
My speculation: "I pay the bills, so I make the decisions..." Total EGO BS. We all have to pay for his inferiority complex. The guy needs therapy...
Reminds me of another con artist....
Reminds me of another con artist....
Believe me.
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