Josh Allen mechanics are very good.
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He had no change whatsoever in his completion percentage between last year and this year. Allen's conference didn't change. Mountain West isn't teeming with talent. The windows Allen threw into will only get smaller in the pros. What leads anyone to believe that Allen would get more accurate in the pros?
which means... he still took them to a bowl game, when he didn't have anywhere near as good as them offensive line? etc?
I wonder how many of the teams Wyoming played had a pro style offense..... good question.
which means... he still took them to a bowl game, when he didn't have anywhere near as good as them offensive line? etc?
I think this is more of an indictment of the opposing competition than it does promote Wyoming. A QB with a 56% accuracy managed to win enough games in the Mountain West to make a bowl game.
Completion percentage is one of those things where having a good one does not automatically make a QB good or even average. But a bad one is a clear indicator of a college QB that will not work out in the pros.
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not when you play in a pro style offense, which UCLA couldn't make work. The spread offenses are noted to
gawdy stats. Even for qb's that don't have the physical skills for the NFL, like I have mentioned before - Kessler had 66.7 % completion percentage. It was not in a pro style offense.
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which means... he still took them to a bowl game, when he didn't have anywhere near as good as them offensive line? etc?
I think this is more of an indictment of the opposing competition than it does promote Wyoming. A QB with a 56% accuracy managed to win enough games in the Mountain West to make a bowl game.
Completion percentage is one of those things where having a good one does not automatically make a QB good or even average. But a bad one is a clear indicator of a college QB that will not work out in the pros.
I think this is more of an indictment of the opposing competition than it does promote Wyoming. A QB with a 56% accuracy managed to win enough games in the Mountain West to make a bowl game.
Completion percentage is one of those things where having a good one does not automatically make a QB good or even average. But a bad one is a clear indicator of a college QB that will not work out in the pros.
6 wins is all you need to be bowl eligible. Nearly half of the D1 football teams get in a bowl game so that's not some great accomplishment.
And your 2nd point is exactly right on and precisely the point on Allen and Kizer. They were inaccurate in college, it's not going to get better as a pro. Kessler as Cal likes to point out had a great completion percentage and probably would in the NFL as well if he could avoid a concussion when putting on his helmet. But Kessler can't or won't throw the ball more than 5 yards at a time so it's easy to complete a lot of those.
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For full disclosure, I am concerned with Rosen's injury history. So this isn't some crusade to bag on Allen because I am someone who is rah-rahing for Rosen. None of the QBs have blown my hair back. Rosen has all the tools but I have my misgivings about a QB with a concussion history coming to Cleveland.
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Todd McShay said on a radio interview that teams like Wyoming don't reload as well as the OSUs, Alabamas, FSUs, etc., so that may be a reason his stats went down.
Could be an excuse, could be full of bull. All I know is I see an AFC North QB at Wyoming.
Todd McShay said on a radio interview that teams like Wyoming don't reload as well as the OSUs, Alabamas, FSUs, etc., so that may be a reason his stats went down.
Could be an excuse, could be full of bull. All I know is I see an AFC North QB at Wyoming.
Could you explain me the meaning of "reload"? Thanks, I am a bit lost on that concept.
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Todd McShay said on a radio interview that teams like Wyoming don't reload as well as the OSUs, Alabamas, FSUs, etc., so that may be a reason his stats went down.
Could be an excuse, could be full of bull. All I know is I see an AFC North QB at Wyoming.
Could you explain me the meaning of "reload"? Thanks, I am a bit lost on that concept.
Could you explain me the meaning of "reload"? Thanks, I am a bit lost on that concept.
In this context, it is when a college team recruits talent to replace the talent that likely went pro. Some bum team with a bunch of guys that just graduated and moved on to selling insurance likely don't have to worry about a "reload". They would have had to "load" to begin with haha.
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Todd McShay said on a radio interview that teams like Wyoming don't reload as well as the OSUs, Alabamas, FSUs, etc., so that may be a reason his stats went down.
Could be an excuse, could be full of bull. All I know is I see an AFC North QB at Wyoming.
Todd McShay said on a radio interview that teams like Wyoming don't reload as well as the OSUs, Alabamas, FSUs, etc., so that may be a reason his stats went down.
Could be an excuse, could be full of bull. All I know is I see an AFC North QB at Wyoming.
Yeah, and Sashi saw an AFC North qb in Kizer.
Looking above, where the offensive lines rank, UCLA vs WYOMING..... in most categories, UCLA had a far
better offensive line. Meaning, more competitive in their conference, than Wyoming's was in theirs.
Only one category was nearly the same - passing downs lines yards. Which, doesn't tell me what the heck that is... LOL
but many things have to be taken into consideration. Completion percentage is just a number, not a complete eval all by itself.
Better oline, better wr's, better te, better rb, better college offense type, better coach, better playcalling... surely gives a qb an advantage in completion percentage. I just find fault with using just the number, and saying that that makes or breaks a qb pick for the pros.
Just not seein it.
Weren't you just saying Wyoming's coach was the same guy who developed Wentz? Cal, it's a level playing field. Allen was facing defenses that weren't anywhere near as good as what Rosen and Darnold were facing in the Pac 12 either. Darnold made as many pretty throws to guys being defended by NFL caliber talent as Allen was to guys who will be raising cattle (New Mexico) or growing cabbage (Fresno State) when they graduate from their respective schools. If we're locking in on completion %- you're so locked in on "character" you wouldn't give Allen the time of day if he has Rosen's personality- I freaking guarantee it. I'll give you another stat that some (like Bill Parcells) consider a major predictor of pro success. # of seasons and games played in college. So rule out Rosen, Darnold, and Allen, and GASP! Hitch your wagon to Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph both 4 year starters with higher completion percentages than your dreamboat.
Finally, running a pro style offense in college doesn't mean diddly translating to pro success, because very, very few colleges currently run one. Mariotta- nah, Watson- nah. I could go on.
PS- Just thought of this one, another small school guy with a big arm that turned into a pretty decent pro.
Joe Flacco, Delaware State: forget the 4 passes he threw as a freshman. Completions 63%, 63%.
which means... he still took them to a bowl game, when he didn't have anywhere near as good as them offensive line? etc?
I wonder how many of the teams Wyoming played had a pro style offense..... good question.
Confused? I hope you meant pro style defense. Already said above- Allen wasn't facing Pac 12 or SEC defenses either, being surrounded by his "inferior" talent. Regarding that mechanical breakdown- hope you noticed some of it was when Wyoming was playing Gardner-Webb. I said way back I was willing to bet you a root beer or two, you couldn't even tell me what state Gardner-Webb was located in without looking it up.
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Todd McShay said on a radio interview that teams like Wyoming don't reload as well as the OSUs, Alabamas, FSUs, etc., so that may be a reason his stats went down.
Could be an excuse, could be full of bull. All I know is I see an AFC North QB at Wyoming.
Could you explain me the meaning of "reload"? Thanks, I am a bit lost on that concept.
Could you explain me the meaning of "reload"? Thanks, I am a bit lost on that concept.
When a college replaces talent lost to graduation or to turning pro with new young talent that may be equally talented. Reloading is what the top programs in the country do....like Alabama, Ohio St. USC, Clemson do or attempt to do.
E.g. a couple of years ago Ohio State lost say a Joey Bosa to the Pros...but they replaced him with the Sam Hubbard's, Nick Bosa's, Chase Youngs. Exciting new young talent that keeps the winning tradition up.
You know....it is kind of like say, Man U. getting really good players to replace ones they may have lost somehow.
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I suspect someone can find a video or article that says Josh Rosen's mechanics are very good.......or any other QB.
Not for Rudolph... 🥷
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I suspect someone can find a video or article that says Josh Rosen's mechanics are very good.......or any other QB.
Not for Rudolph... 🥷
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Have you bothered to look?
I thought Rudolph was your job...
For full disclosure, I am concerned with Rosen's injury history. So this isn't some crusade to bag on Allen because I am someone who is rah-rahing for Rosen. None of the QBs have blown my hair back. Rosen has all the tools but I have my misgivings about a QB with a concussion history coming to Cleveland.
Injuries have to be a concern and in Rosen's case that's a shoulder and a couple concussions.
After his 2017 campaign I'd say the shoulder is a non-issue. For the concussions the blows that brought them on have to be considered. If they were seemingly innocuous, then color me concerned, but I haven't seen the plays that produced them.
Regarding that mechanical breakdown- hope you noticed some of it was when Wyoming was playing Gardner-Webb. I said way back I was willing to bet you a root beer or two, you couldn't even tell me what state Gardner-Webb was located in without looking it up.
lol... sports-reference.com/cfb doesn't even have a Gardner-Webb page...
Passing Rushing Receiving Tackles Fumbles Rk Year Date School Opponent Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Solo Ast Tot Loss Sk FR Yds TD FF 17 2017 2017-09-02 Wyoming @ Iowa L 23 40 57.5 174 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 18 2017 2017-09-09 Wyoming Gardner-Webb W 22 32 68.8 328 2 0 175.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 19 2017 2017-09-16 Wyoming Oregon L 9 24 37.5 64 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 1 1 2 2.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Have you bothered to look?
I thought Rudolph was your job...
For full disclosure, I am concerned with Rosen's injury history. So this isn't some crusade to bag on Allen because I am someone who is rah-rahing for Rosen. None of the QBs have blown my hair back. Rosen has all the tools but I have my misgivings about a QB with a concussion history coming to Cleveland.
Injuries have to be a concern and in Rosen's case that's a shoulder and a couple concussions.
After his 2017 campaign I'd say the shoulder is a non-issue. For the concussions the blows that brought them on have to be considered. If they were seemingly innocuous, then color me concerned, but I haven't seen the plays that produced them.
Regarding that mechanical breakdown- hope you noticed some of it was when Wyoming was playing Gardner-Webb. I said way back I was willing to bet you a root beer or two, you couldn't even tell me what state Gardner-Webb was located in without looking it up.
lol... sports-reference.com/cfb doesn't even have a Gardner-Webb page...
Passing Rushing Receiving Tackles Fumbles Rk Year Date School Opponent Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Solo Ast Tot Loss Sk FR Yds TD FF 17 2017 2017-09-02 Wyoming @ Iowa L 23 40 57.5 174 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 18 2017 2017-09-09 Wyoming Gardner-Webb W 22 32 68.8 328 2 0 175.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 19 2017 2017-09-16 Wyoming Oregon L 9 24 37.5 64 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 1 1 2 2.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 I thought Rudolph was your job...
No...because I am not gobbling his knob the way you are on Rosen...or Cal is on Allen. I am on no one's knob. All I have ever said is that he could be a factor. Why? Because CBS had him as the #1 overall best prospect at one point. And they have been somewhat authoritative in the past. I can found out where they have him now. That is the extent of my involvement really.
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So, here it is: interestingly, they have him still as the #1 QB....but only 10th player prospect overall:
2018 TOP NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS - QUARTERBACK RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 10 Mason Rudolph QB 1 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230 12 Lamar Jackson QB 2 Louisville Jr 6-3 200 17 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220 22 Sam Darnold QB 4 Southern California Soph 6-4 225 39 Baker Mayfield QB 5 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 218 49 Ryan Finley QB 6 NC State Jr 6-4 205 114 Josh Allen QB 7 Wyoming Jr 6-5 233 117 Logan Woodside QB 8 Toledo Sr 6-2 201 -
Here is what CBS had ahead of any QB:
2018 TOP NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 1 Bradley Chubb DE 1 NC State Sr 6-4 275 2 Derwin James SS 1 Florida State Soph 6-3 211 3 Quenton Nelson OG 1 Notre Dame Sr 6-5 329 4 Roquan Smith ILB 1 Georgia Jr 6-1 225 5 Orlando Brown OT 1 Oklahoma Jr 6-8 360 6 Minkah Fitzpatrick FS 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 201 7 Saquon Barkley RB 1 Penn State Jr 5-11 223 8 Maurice Hurst DT 1 Michigan Sr 6-2 282 9 Courtland Sutton WR 1 Southern Methodist Soph 6-4 215 -
They have
I have an issue with any ranking that has Lamar Jackson that high.
Yea. They also have Allen only a mid 3rd rounder. So...maybe they are not so bad?
Maybe, the fact is that I may be right when I said: "this QB group may actually be no better than the group that include Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder as first rounders..
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