Josh Allen mechanics are very good.
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Todd McShay said on a radio interview that teams like Wyoming don't reload as well as the OSUs, Alabamas, FSUs, etc., so that may be a reason his stats went down.
Could be an excuse, could be full of bull. All I know is I see an AFC North QB at Wyoming.
Todd McShay said on a radio interview that teams like Wyoming don't reload as well as the OSUs, Alabamas, FSUs, etc., so that may be a reason his stats went down.
Could be an excuse, could be full of bull. All I know is I see an AFC North QB at Wyoming.
Yeah, and Sashi saw an AFC North qb in Kizer.
Looking above, where the offensive lines rank, UCLA vs WYOMING..... in most categories, UCLA had a far
better offensive line. Meaning, more competitive in their conference, than Wyoming's was in theirs.
Only one category was nearly the same - passing downs lines yards. Which, doesn't tell me what the heck that is... LOL
but many things have to be taken into consideration. Completion percentage is just a number, not a complete eval all by itself.
Better oline, better wr's, better te, better rb, better college offense type, better coach, better playcalling... surely gives a qb an advantage in completion percentage. I just find fault with using just the number, and saying that that makes or breaks a qb pick for the pros.
Just not seein it.
Weren't you just saying Wyoming's coach was the same guy who developed Wentz? Cal, it's a level playing field. Allen was facing defenses that weren't anywhere near as good as what Rosen and Darnold were facing in the Pac 12 either. Darnold made as many pretty throws to guys being defended by NFL caliber talent as Allen was to guys who will be raising cattle (New Mexico) or growing cabbage (Fresno State) when they graduate from their respective schools. If we're locking in on completion %- you're so locked in on "character" you wouldn't give Allen the time of day if he has Rosen's personality- I freaking guarantee it. I'll give you another stat that some (like Bill Parcells) consider a major predictor of pro success. # of seasons and games played in college. So rule out Rosen, Darnold, and Allen, and GASP! Hitch your wagon to Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph both 4 year starters with higher completion percentages than your dreamboat.
Finally, running a pro style offense in college doesn't mean diddly translating to pro success, because very, very few colleges currently run one. Mariotta- nah, Watson- nah. I could go on.
PS- Just thought of this one, another small school guy with a big arm that turned into a pretty decent pro.
Joe Flacco, Delaware State: forget the 4 passes he threw as a freshman. Completions 63%, 63%.
which means... he still took them to a bowl game, when he didn't have anywhere near as good as them offensive line? etc?
I wonder how many of the teams Wyoming played had a pro style offense..... good question.
Confused? I hope you meant pro style defense. Already said above- Allen wasn't facing Pac 12 or SEC defenses either, being surrounded by his "inferior" talent. Regarding that mechanical breakdown- hope you noticed some of it was when Wyoming was playing Gardner-Webb. I said way back I was willing to bet you a root beer or two, you couldn't even tell me what state Gardner-Webb was located in without looking it up.
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Todd McShay said on a radio interview that teams like Wyoming don't reload as well as the OSUs, Alabamas, FSUs, etc., so that may be a reason his stats went down.
Could be an excuse, could be full of bull. All I know is I see an AFC North QB at Wyoming.
Could you explain me the meaning of "reload"? Thanks, I am a bit lost on that concept.
Could you explain me the meaning of "reload"? Thanks, I am a bit lost on that concept.
When a college replaces talent lost to graduation or to turning pro with new young talent that may be equally talented. Reloading is what the top programs in the country do....like Alabama, Ohio St. USC, Clemson do or attempt to do.
E.g. a couple of years ago Ohio State lost say a Joey Bosa to the Pros...but they replaced him with the Sam Hubbard's, Nick Bosa's, Chase Youngs. Exciting new young talent that keeps the winning tradition up.
You know....it is kind of like say, Man U. getting really good players to replace ones they may have lost somehow.
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I suspect someone can find a video or article that says Josh Rosen's mechanics are very good.......or any other QB.
Not for Rudolph... 🥷
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I suspect someone can find a video or article that says Josh Rosen's mechanics are very good.......or any other QB.
Not for Rudolph... 🥷
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Have you bothered to look?
I thought Rudolph was your job...
For full disclosure, I am concerned with Rosen's injury history. So this isn't some crusade to bag on Allen because I am someone who is rah-rahing for Rosen. None of the QBs have blown my hair back. Rosen has all the tools but I have my misgivings about a QB with a concussion history coming to Cleveland.
Injuries have to be a concern and in Rosen's case that's a shoulder and a couple concussions.
After his 2017 campaign I'd say the shoulder is a non-issue. For the concussions the blows that brought them on have to be considered. If they were seemingly innocuous, then color me concerned, but I haven't seen the plays that produced them.
Regarding that mechanical breakdown- hope you noticed some of it was when Wyoming was playing Gardner-Webb. I said way back I was willing to bet you a root beer or two, you couldn't even tell me what state Gardner-Webb was located in without looking it up.
lol... sports-reference.com/cfb doesn't even have a Gardner-Webb page...
Passing Rushing Receiving Tackles Fumbles Rk Year Date School Opponent Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Solo Ast Tot Loss Sk FR Yds TD FF 17 2017 2017-09-02 Wyoming @ Iowa L 23 40 57.5 174 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 18 2017 2017-09-09 Wyoming Gardner-Webb W 22 32 68.8 328 2 0 175.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 19 2017 2017-09-16 Wyoming Oregon L 9 24 37.5 64 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 1 1 2 2.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Have you bothered to look?
I thought Rudolph was your job...
For full disclosure, I am concerned with Rosen's injury history. So this isn't some crusade to bag on Allen because I am someone who is rah-rahing for Rosen. None of the QBs have blown my hair back. Rosen has all the tools but I have my misgivings about a QB with a concussion history coming to Cleveland.
Injuries have to be a concern and in Rosen's case that's a shoulder and a couple concussions.
After his 2017 campaign I'd say the shoulder is a non-issue. For the concussions the blows that brought them on have to be considered. If they were seemingly innocuous, then color me concerned, but I haven't seen the plays that produced them.
Regarding that mechanical breakdown- hope you noticed some of it was when Wyoming was playing Gardner-Webb. I said way back I was willing to bet you a root beer or two, you couldn't even tell me what state Gardner-Webb was located in without looking it up.
lol... sports-reference.com/cfb doesn't even have a Gardner-Webb page...
Passing Rushing Receiving Tackles Fumbles Rk Year Date School Opponent Cmp Att Pct Yds TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Solo Ast Tot Loss Sk FR Yds TD FF 17 2017 2017-09-02 Wyoming @ Iowa L 23 40 57.5 174 0 2 84.0 8 -10 -1.3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 18 2017 2017-09-09 Wyoming Gardner-Webb W 22 32 68.8 328 2 0 175.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 19 2017 2017-09-16 Wyoming Oregon L 9 24 37.5 64 0 1 51.6 8 25 3.1 1 1 2 2.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 I thought Rudolph was your job...
No...because I am not gobbling his knob the way you are on Rosen...or Cal is on Allen. I am on no one's knob. All I have ever said is that he could be a factor. Why? Because CBS had him as the #1 overall best prospect at one point. And they have been somewhat authoritative in the past. I can found out where they have him now. That is the extent of my involvement really.
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So, here it is: interestingly, they have him still as the #1 QB....but only 10th player prospect overall:
2018 TOP NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS - QUARTERBACK RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 10 Mason Rudolph QB 1 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230 12 Lamar Jackson QB 2 Louisville Jr 6-3 200 17 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220 22 Sam Darnold QB 4 Southern California Soph 6-4 225 39 Baker Mayfield QB 5 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 218 49 Ryan Finley QB 6 NC State Jr 6-4 205 114 Josh Allen QB 7 Wyoming Jr 6-5 233 117 Logan Woodside QB 8 Toledo Sr 6-2 201 -
Here is what CBS had ahead of any QB:
2018 TOP NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 1 Bradley Chubb DE 1 NC State Sr 6-4 275 2 Derwin James SS 1 Florida State Soph 6-3 211 3 Quenton Nelson OG 1 Notre Dame Sr 6-5 329 4 Roquan Smith ILB 1 Georgia Jr 6-1 225 5 Orlando Brown OT 1 Oklahoma Jr 6-8 360 6 Minkah Fitzpatrick FS 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 201 7 Saquon Barkley RB 1 Penn State Jr 5-11 223 8 Maurice Hurst DT 1 Michigan Sr 6-2 282 9 Courtland Sutton WR 1 Southern Methodist Soph 6-4 215 -
They have
I have an issue with any ranking that has Lamar Jackson that high.
Yea. They also have Allen only a mid 3rd rounder. So...maybe they are not so bad?
Maybe, the fact is that I may be right when I said: "this QB group may actually be no better than the group that include Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder as first rounders..
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They have
I have an issue with any ranking that has Lamar Jackson that high.
Yea. They also have Allen only a mid 3rd rounder. So...maybe they are not so bad?
Maybe, the fact is that I may be right when I said: "this QB group may actually be no better than the group that include Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder as first rounders..
They have
Yea. They also have Allen only a mid 3rd rounder. So...maybe they are not so bad?
Maybe, the fact is that I may be right when I said: "this QB group may actually be no better than the group that include Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder as first rounders..
folks were saying that about last years draft and it looks like Houston Chicago and K.C have found their starters
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Allen constantly throws off his back foot.
And I'd love to know who on this board pimps Rosen even half as much as calfox bags on him, or sings Allen's praises.
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Todd McShay said on a radio interview that teams like Wyoming don't reload as well as the OSUs, Alabamas, FSUs, etc., so that may be a reason his stats went down.
Could be an excuse, could be full of bull. All I know is I see an AFC North QB at Wyoming.
Yeah, and Sashi saw an AFC North qb in Kizer.
Looking above, where the offensive lines rank, UCLA vs WYOMING..... in most categories, UCLA had a far
better offensive line. Meaning, more competitive in their conference, than Wyoming's was in theirs.
Only one category was nearly the same - passing downs lines yards. Which, doesn't tell me what the heck that is... LOL
but many things have to be taken into consideration. Completion percentage is just a number, not a complete eval all by itself.
Better oline, better wr's, better te, better rb, better college offense type, better coach, better playcalling... surely gives a qb an advantage in completion percentage. I just find fault with using just the number, and saying that that makes or breaks a qb pick for the pros.
Just not seein it.
Weren't you just saying Wyoming's coach was the same guy who developed Wentz? Cal, it's a level playing field. Allen was facing defenses that weren't anywhere near as good as what Rosen and Darnold were facing in the Pac 12 either. Darnold made as many pretty throws to guys being defended by NFL caliber talent as Allen was to guys who will be raising cattle (New Mexico) or growing cabbage (Fresno State) when they graduate from their respective schools. If we're locking in on completion %- you're so locked in on "character" you wouldn't give Allen the time of day if he has Rosen's personality- I freaking guarantee it. I'll give you another stat that some (like Bill Parcells) consider a major predictor of pro success. # of seasons and games played in college. So rule out Rosen, Darnold, and Allen, and GASP! Hitch your wagon to Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph both 4 year starters with higher completion percentages than your dreamboat.
Finally, running a pro style offense in college doesn't mean diddly translating to pro success, because very, very few colleges currently run one. Mariotta- nah, Watson- nah. I could go on.
PS- Just thought of this one, another small school guy with a big arm that turned into a pretty decent pro.
Joe Flacco, Delaware State: forget the 4 passes he threw as a freshman. Completions 63%, 63%.
which means... he still took them to a bowl game, when he didn't have anywhere near as good as them offensive line? etc?
I wonder how many of the teams Wyoming played had a pro style offense..... good question.
Confused? I hope you meant pro style defense. Already said above- Allen wasn't facing Pac 12 or SEC defenses either, being surrounded by his "inferior" talent. Regarding that mechanical breakdown- hope you noticed some of it was when Wyoming was playing Gardner-Webb. I said way back I was willing to bet you a root beer or two, you couldn't even tell me what state Gardner-Webb was located in without looking it up.
Weren't you just saying Wyoming's coach was the same guy who developed Wentz? Cal, it's a level playing field.
bs have a nice day.
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Well to properly judge Allen's accuracy need to review the film to see if he was on target or coverage good or WRs were dropping the ball etc. I don't care who we draft at QB at this point. I haven't decided on a favorite one, I think any of the top 3 are fine. Just make sure you grab the right one.
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I think we need a countdown clock to the draft. It's Jan 5th, and the draft is in late April?
geez.
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So, here it is: interestingly, they have him still as the #1 QB....but only 10th player prospect overall:
2018 TOP NFL DRAFT PROSPECTS - QUARTERBACK RK PLAYER POS POS RK SCHOOL CLASS HT WT 10 Mason Rudolph QB 1 Oklahoma State Sr 6-5 230 12 Lamar Jackson QB 2 Louisville Jr 6-3 200 17 Josh Rosen QB 3 UCLA Jr 6-4 220 22 Sam Darnold QB 4 Southern California Soph 6-4 225 39 Baker Mayfield QB 5 Oklahoma Sr 6-1 218 49 Ryan Finley QB 6 NC State Jr 6-4 205 114 Josh Allen QB 7 Wyoming Jr 6-5 233 117 Logan Woodside QB 8 Toledo Sr 6-2 201 So, here it is: interestingly, they have him still as the #1 QB....but only 10th player prospect overall:
Still CBS...
DraftScout has still not merged it's 2018 and 2019 Draft classes...
... and won't until the declaration deadline passes.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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