Who's #1?
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I always kind of liked "Que sera, sera." Straight to the point.
(Nero can translate)
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Not exactly Tour. It means "what will be, will be"
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"Cocaine is a helluva drug"
Rick James
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Saquon Barkley is #1 Overall.
We should take Barkley, he's a special type of player. I think he's better than Trent... He has the vision, the speed, the balance, hands and leaping ability that is going to lead to a lot of points for the team that drafts him. I hope it's us.
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Saquon Barkley is #1 Overall.
We should take Barkley, he's a special type of player. I think he's better than Trent... He has the vision, the speed, the balance, hands and leaping ability that is going to lead to a lot of points for the team that drafts him. I hope it's us.
Saquon Barkley is #1 Overall.
We should take Barkley, he's a special type of player. I think he's better than Trent... He has the vision, the speed, the balance, hands and leaping ability that is going to lead to a lot of points for the team that drafts him. I hope it's us.
PO, I'm not saying don't draft Barkley- just not @ #1 overall. Or you think Saquon is magically going to turn Kizer into a HOF QB? (Just drop the Hogan love BTW) We aren't playing qb roulette April 2018, hoping the guy we want falls to us @ #4. It's WAY more likely the other way around.
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Is this the BROWNS FANS therapy group?
Of course it is! Ever really spelled out the word therapist? The rapist. Now you'll never get that outa your head.
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Saquon Barkley is #1 Overall.
We should take Barkley, he's a special type of player. I think he's better than Trent... He has the vision, the speed, the balance, hands and leaping ability that is going to lead to a lot of points for the team that drafts him. I hope it's us.
Saquon Barkley is #1 Overall.
We should take Barkley, he's a special type of player. I think he's better than Trent... He has the vision, the speed, the balance, hands and leaping ability that is going to lead to a lot of points for the team that drafts him. I hope it's us.
Barkley is the best player entering the Draft in your mind, because you think he's better than Trent Richardson.
You just can't argue against logic like that.
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Of course it is! Ever really spelled out the word therapist? The rapist. Now you'll never get that outa your head.
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Waaahhhhaaahhhh you can't tell when I'm yanking your chain? Rosen love? Not really from the rest of us. That's only because YOU have put in what? Around 100 posts already repeating everything ad nauseum YOU don't like about him, and there's been counter arguments that you're off base. FWIW, there hasn't been a ton of chatter about Darnold yet- because a certain poster isn't spewing constantly how much he doesn't like him .
lol. I don't dislike Darnold, although the many fumbles are strange. If the Browns draft him or Allen, or even Rudolph, I'll be happy happy happy. I just think it's Allen. Somebody mentioned that Allen has an injury history for how he's played the game.
It's true. So has rosen. But he said THAT "didn't matter".... that's what is annoying about all this stuff. There are no counter arguments about his character/personality. That is a concern many have, I've posted as much. Will it be a problem? Nobody knows, but a lot of folks are concerned about it.
lol. I don't dislike Darnold, although the many fumbles are strange. If the Browns draft him or Allen, or even Rudolph, I'll be happy happy happy. I just think it's Allen. Somebody mentioned that Allen has an injury history for how he's played the game.
It's true. So has rosen. But he said THAT "didn't matter".... that's what is annoying about all this stuff. There are no counter arguments about his character/personality. That is a concern many have, I've posted as much. Will it be a problem? Nobody knows, but a lot of folks are concerned about it.
Well, we DO have a t-shirt that might need to go from XXXL to Tent-size in order to capture every QB's name that didn't survive the challenges of Adversity University on the shore of Lake Erie.
This could be wrong but I have a bad feeling Rosen is going to be the football version of Yao Ming in the fragility sense of "made in China stayed on sideline." Or, with the concussion inventory already rivaling that of Evan Moore - how close is he to the point of no return? Before he had a bruised back and a sore knee sidelining him this season - he had a shoulder injury and multiple concussions that sidelined him prior to that. He's the son of one of the best back surgeons in the world and a frat boy just in case anyone forgot the last brat QB we drafted in round 1 from a lot of money and coddling. This knucklehead thought Manziel would be able to grow out of the party boy thing like Favre, Kelly and many others eventually did. WRONG! Usually I like a QB that has a great intellect reflected by a 3.8 GPA; but I get the sense Rosen doesn't want any part of the mental and physical growing pains that will come with the territory. College football was even too tough for this kid so I don't see a perfect match for life in the AFC North with this kid. Neither does he or he wouldn't already be announcing he prefers to play for the New Jersey Giants. Then again, if the Giants get their most talented WRs back healthy - it offers a bigger shot at success for a young QB than we've been equipping our Rent-A-Wrecks and inexperienced QBs with. Hard to blame him there because the world outside of us (and within) doesn't see a franchise/FO committed to making this a QB friendly environment since 1999. Until that changes, nothing changes here...
Is Rosen talented? Absolutely! As early as 8th or 9th grade - he was getting a ton of press about a great future in the NFL. Elite talent at QB will always be a temptation here. There's going to be fans that want him.
As for Allen, he doesn't have a big enough body of excellence against top caliber opponents for me to get pumped up about with our 1st or 4th pick. This season he only threw 13 TD passes heading into his Bowl Game (even though he also only threw 6 INTs). He was about as sought after coming out of high school as Santa Claus, Indiana's Jay Cutler. All that said, I enjoyed Allen's performance in the Bowl Game. I saw a strong arm with accuracy; very good mobility and nice accuracy throwing on the run. He can also throw touch passes none of our bionic armed QBs like DA, Weeden and Kizer exemplified very often. He has ideal/prototypical height. The question I have is how does a guy that wasn't good enough for BIG time college football go from ho-humsies to being the answer to all of Cleveland's problems?
My faves in random order are Mayfield, Rudolph, and Darnold.
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Actually Manziel just did not grow up fast enough. He has been meeting all the requirements placed on him by the CFL for the past year and was recently approved by the league to sign a contract with those requirements still intact. That was after a thorough background investigation to insure he is meeting the requirements. And the Tiger-Cats just traded out their #1 QB to make room for him. Expect a contract signature soon and football in late spring just on the other side of the lake. Maybe he can take his former party boat over to save Hue when he jumps in. Just a couple years late is all.
Oh, and there is a coach there in Hamilton that actually believes in him, unlike his last little gig.
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Understood but what veteran QB in the right mind is thinking "I want me some Cleveland" right about now? I keep hearing names like Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, and AJ McCarron - but I'd be really surprised if 1-31 football in Cleveland doesn't have them looking elsewhere like Arizona, NYJ, NYG, Denver, etc...
You're definitely not wrong. Like I've said before, I'm not stupid...I know how difficult the sell is, and we're really banking on the size of the checkbook AND Hue Jackson's reputation as somebody people want to play for. Regardless of his record, Hue is still regarded highly in the NFL. It's the reason we heard rumors about him going back to Cincy, and it's the primary reason we are bringing him back.
Also consider this: Several of the teams we played against made comments like, "This team is almost there" and "They're going to surprise some people very soon". We didn't have the reputation as being a team you just walked in a ran out of the stadium. We may have lost every game, but we made just about everyone work for it. We're closer than you think. Really, no QB wants to come to a place without an OL or weapons. We have the OL pretty much in place, but we need weapons. If we KNEW Gordon was coming back, it'd be a MUCH easier sell to QBs. They know how much easier the game becomes with him in it. Toss in Duke, Njoku, Devalve, Corey, and you might have something.
You're definitely not wrong. Like I've said before, I'm not stupid...I know how difficult the sell is, and we're really banking on the size of the checkbook AND Hue Jackson's reputation as somebody people want to play for. Regardless of his record, Hue is still regarded highly in the NFL. It's the reason we heard rumors about him going back to Cincy, and it's the primary reason we are bringing him back.
Also consider this: Several of the teams we played against made comments like, "This team is almost there" and "They're going to surprise some people very soon". We didn't have the reputation as being a team you just walked in a ran out of the stadium. We may have lost every game, but we made just about everyone work for it. We're closer than you think. Really, no QB wants to come to a place without an OL or weapons. We have the OL pretty much in place, but we need weapons. If we KNEW Gordon was coming back, it'd be a MUCH easier sell to QBs. They know how much easier the game becomes with him in it. Toss in Duke, Njoku, Devalve, Corey, and you might have something.
I hope so. Before we lost the #1 rated DE against the run via PFF (Ogbah), Meder and Collins while Shelton and Garrett (missed time and played through injuries) - we were vastly improved against the run particularly in the front 7. FWIW, Ogbah was also leading us in sacks (with 5) while it seemed like he also led us in causing fumbles prior to him going on IR. The front 7 is a huge area of promise especially against the run if we get Garrett, Ogbah, Meder and Collins back healthier. Even though we lined up our Safeties in another time zone which had people worrying about how our MLB was handling both inside hook zones with unrealistic zone transition deep - Schobert drastically improved against the run. He's a Pro Bowl alternate because of it.
Unfortunately, it's a passing era. The 31 year old McCourty played well until he played on an injured ankle. That was a better pickup than I thought but he will be 32 years old this year. The FO overrated the crap out of Jamar Taylor while our 4th round pick Howard Wilson got injured and never saw the field. Boddy-Calhoun seems reliable when called upon. Needless to say we need help and better depth at this position. The Safety positions also lack experience, consistency and depth while the back end alignments and schemes seemed like an extended head scratcher. That said, Gregg Williams has coached up some Pro Bowl Safeties like Blaine Bishop (TN), Malcolm Jenkins (NO), Sean Taylor (Wash) so I'm guessing he knows what he's doing with the personnel at hand. He's ranked in the top 10 5 times for pts allowed and 6 times for yardage (inclusive of two #1 rankings pts vrs and two #2 rankings yds). Secondary is a HUGE need if we ever want to see Gregg Williams back on this level.
Offensively, our WR Corps is a train wreck. As happy as we were to see Josh Gordon the last 5 games - this group hasn't competed up to snuff. Even worse, neither has the QB position. We still don't have a dual purpose TE above ho-hum while we hope Njoku can establish more consistency in his limited role.
With the exception of Duke Johnson's invaluable productivity (part time), our gridiron chess table still looks like were set up to attack exclusively with pawns until our FO changes this. Let's hope Dorsey can bring us the magic especially with the 5 picks in the first 2 rounds he's inheriting. We shall see...
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Waaahhhhaaahhhh you can't tell when I'm yanking your chain? Rosen love? Not really from the rest of us. That's only because YOU have put in what? Around 100 posts already repeating everything ad nauseum YOU don't like about him, and there's been counter arguments that you're off base. FWIW, there hasn't been a ton of chatter about Darnold yet- because a certain poster isn't spewing constantly how much he doesn't like him .
lol. I don't dislike Darnold, although the many fumbles are strange. If the Browns draft him or Allen, or even Rudolph, I'll be happy happy happy. I just think it's Allen. Somebody mentioned that Allen has an injury history for how he's played the game.
It's true. So has rosen. But he said THAT "didn't matter".... that's what is annoying about all this stuff. There are no counter arguments about his character/personality. That is a concern many have, I've posted as much. Will it be a problem? Nobody knows, but a lot of folks are concerned about it.
There are no counter arguments about his character/personality.
Missed this earlier...
There have been plenty of counter arguments, counter accounts laid out by myself and others.
This is typical of all your arguments. When reports are presented that don't fit your narrative, you dismiss them out of hand while all support of your conclusion is unchallenged.
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lol. I don't dislike Darnold, although the many fumbles are strange. If the Browns draft him or Allen, or even Rudolph, I'll be happy happy happy. I just think it's Allen. Somebody mentioned that Allen has an injury history for how he's played the game.
It's true. So has rosen. But he said THAT "didn't matter".... that's what is annoying about all this stuff. There are no counter arguments about his character/personality. That is a concern many have, I've posted as much. Will it be a problem? Nobody knows, but a lot of folks are concerned about it.
Well, we DO have a t-shirt that might need to go from XXXL to Tent-size in order to capture every QB's name that didn't survive the challenges of Adversity University on the shore of Lake Erie.
This could be wrong but I have a bad feeling Rosen is going to be the football version of Yao Ming in the fragility sense of "made in China stayed on sideline." Or, with the concussion inventory already rivaling that of Evan Moore - how close is he to the point of no return? Before he had a bruised back and a sore knee sidelining him this season - he had a shoulder injury and multiple concussions that sidelined him prior to that. He's the son of one of the best back surgeons in the world and a frat boy just in case anyone forgot the last brat QB we drafted in round 1 from a lot of money and coddling. This knucklehead thought Manziel would be able to grow out of the party boy thing like Favre, Kelly and many others eventually did. WRONG! Usually I like a QB that has a great intellect reflected by a 3.8 GPA; but I get the sense Rosen doesn't want any part of the mental and physical growing pains that will come with the territory. College football was even too tough for this kid so I don't see a perfect match for life in the AFC North with this kid. Neither does he or he wouldn't already be announcing he prefers to play for the New Jersey Giants. Then again, if the Giants get their most talented WRs back healthy - it offers a bigger shot at success for a young QB than we've been equipping our Rent-A-Wrecks and inexperienced QBs with. Hard to blame him there because the world outside of us (and within) doesn't see a franchise/FO committed to making this a QB friendly environment since 1999. Until that changes, nothing changes here...
Is Rosen talented? Absolutely! As early as 8th or 9th grade - he was getting a ton of press about a great future in the NFL. Elite talent at QB will always be a temptation here. There's going to be fans that want him.
As for Allen, he doesn't have a big enough body of excellence against top caliber opponents for me to get pumped up about with our 1st or 4th pick. This season he only threw 13 TD passes heading into his Bowl Game (even though he also only threw 6 INTs). He was about as sought after coming out of high school as Santa Claus, Indiana's Jay Cutler. All that said, I enjoyed Allen's performance in the Bowl Game. I saw a strong arm with accuracy; very good mobility and nice accuracy throwing on the run. He can also throw touch passes none of our bionic armed QBs like DA, Weeden and Kizer exemplified very often. He has ideal/prototypical height. The question I have is how does a guy that wasn't good enough for BIG time college football go from ho-humsies to being the answer to all of Cleveland's problems?
My faves in random order are Mayfield, Rudolph, and Darnold.
This could be wrong but I have a bad feeling Rosen is going to be the football version of Yao Ming in the fragility sense of "made in China stayed on sideline." Or, with the concussion inventory already rivaling that of Evan Moore - how close is he to the point of no return? Before he had a bruised back and a sore knee sidelining him this season - he had a shoulder injury and multiple concussions that sidelined him prior to that.
The kid missed 7 games in three years. Six were attributable to the shoulder injury. So every other "concern" you voice contributed a grand total of one missed game.
Not saying there is zero question, but I can't medically DQ him. And his talent level far outweighs any medical concerns.
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Got a chuckle out of this tweet...
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#Browns Hue Jackson's favorite QB in the draft is whichever one looks the best in the early 2018 NFL season, so he can then take credit for liking that guy after the fact...5:19 PM - 3 Jan 2018"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This could be wrong but I have a bad feeling Rosen is going to be the football version of Yao Ming in the fragility sense of "made in China stayed on sideline." Or, with the concussion inventory already rivaling that of Evan Moore - how close is he to the point of no return? Before he had a bruised back and a sore knee sidelining him this season - he had a shoulder injury and multiple concussions that sidelined him prior to that.
The kid missed 7 games in three years. Six were attributable to the shoulder injury. So every other "concern" you voice contributed a grand total of one missed game.
Not saying there is zero question, but I can't medically DQ him. And his talent level far outweighs any medical concerns.
The kid missed 7 games in three years. Six were attributable to the shoulder injury. So every other "concern" you voice contributed a grand total of one missed game.
Not saying there is zero question, but I can't medically DQ him. And his talent level far outweighs any medical concerns.
If this was any place but Cleveland - you might have reeled me in Tour.
Let's keep in mind missed games doesn't tell us how many times he couldn't finish starts. For example, he left a nationally televised night game early vrs Cal for a bruised back. And then there's the multiple concussions issue I've read about more than once leading me to believe he's left many of those early too. So, it's not just missing starts for the shoulder or a sore knee. Even if everything under the neck is all healed up, Rosen would show up to Cleveland/AFC North with multiple concussions on his resume.
I already agreed his talent is tempting (just like DeShaun Watson's talent was). Watson was 1 of my favorite 2 QBs last draft; but his style of play increasing risk of injury was the main reason I never had him on my wish list at #1 or #12. Well, he went on IR really early in his rookie year. Teddy B was another prospect with intriguing talent that many scouts worried about staying healthy with his frame. Just like Watson, he got hurt in a non contact practice drill a few years ago (hasn't played since). So what trumped talent both times? Injury.
Not only does a QB have to be right for Cleveland - but Cleveland has to be right for a QB. There's a t-shirt with a ton of names on it reminding us of this all the time. Let's hope this gets better.
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