Which draftable QB has the best mechanics?
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Benkert's mechanics flat smacked me in the face when I first saw him this year. The criticism that he has to increase his speed through his reads/progressions is laughable as it is true of every QB prospect moving to the next level. At least Kurt has made reads and gone thru progressions at UVA... which is more than most of the top prospects can say.
While I've not side-by-sided them, my impression is that Rosen's mechanics are equal to or better than Kurt's. In part this is due to the shear effortlessness with which he makes every throw and Josh can make every throw. He is the best pure passer I have seen since Andrew Luck.
Third? Surprisingly, even to me, is Mayfield. Some of this impression is a product of all the time he seems to have and the relative "openness" of his receivers, but his action from the pocket is pretty damn good and his TOR mechanics are probably the best in this class.
I'll convert you to Camp Mayfield yet Tour. I iz seein' Drew Brees.
Right now I have Baker as a lock top 10 pick. Hell, Mahomes went #10. Regarding Benkert, he had a bad Bowl game, which I won't hold against him (ditto Darnold). We'll still have the Senior Bowl, must see TV https://www.seniorbowl.com/accepted-invites.php and the Combine to sort things out.
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Benkert's mechanics flat smacked me in the face when I first saw him this year. The criticism that he has to increase his speed through his reads/progressions is laughable as it is true of every QB prospect moving to the next level. At least Kurt has made reads and gone thru progressions at UVA... which is more than most of the top prospects can say.
While I've not side-by-sided them, my impression is that Rosen's mechanics are equal to or better than Kurt's. In part this is due to the shear effortlessness with which he makes every throw and Josh can make every throw. He is the best pure passer I have seen since Andrew Luck.
Third? Surprisingly, even to me, is Mayfield. Some of this impression is a product of all the time he seems to have and the relative "openness" of his receivers, but his action from the pocket is pretty damn good and his TOR mechanics are probably the best in this class.
I'll convert you to Camp Mayfield yet Tour. I iz seein' Drew Brees.
Right now I have Baker as a lock top 10 pick. Hell, Mahomes went #10. Regarding Benkert, he had a bad Bowl game, which I won't hold against him (ditto Darnold). We'll still have the Senior Bowl, must see TV https://www.seniorbowl.com/accepted-invites.php and the Combine to sort things out.
I'll convert you to Camp Mayfield yet Tour. I iz seein' Drew Brees.
Right now I have Baker as a lock top 10 pick. Hell, Mahomes went #10. Regarding Benkert, he had a bad Bowl game, which I won't hold against him (ditto Darnold). We'll still have the Senior Bowl, must see TV https://www.seniorbowl.com/accepted-invites.php and the Combine to sort things out.
Open for bets regarding Bakers career being no where near Brees. Including Mayfields longevity as a starting QB.
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Benkert's mechanics flat smacked me in the face when I first saw him this year. The criticism that he has to increase his speed through his reads/progressions is laughable as it is true of every QB prospect moving to the next level. At least Kurt has made reads and gone thru progressions at UVA... which is more than most of the top prospects can say.
While I've not side-by-sided them, my impression is that Rosen's mechanics are equal to or better than Kurt's. In part this is due to the shear effortlessness with which he makes every throw and Josh can make every throw. He is the best pure passer I have seen since Andrew Luck.
Third? Surprisingly, even to me, is Mayfield. Some of this impression is a product of all the time he seems to have and the relative "openness" of his receivers, but his action from the pocket is pretty damn good and his TOR mechanics are probably the best in this class.
I'll convert you to Camp Mayfield yet Tour. I iz seein' Drew Brees.
Right now I have Baker as a lock top 10 pick. Hell, Mahomes went #10. Regarding Benkert, he had a bad Bowl game, which I won't hold against him (ditto Darnold). We'll still have the Senior Bowl, must see TV https://www.seniorbowl.com/accepted-invites.php and the Combine to sort things out.
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Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
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Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
Saw that too. I am not getting the Darnold hype at all.
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Why do we have so many QB threads?
You aren’t that new here haha. It is QB/draft season for Browns fans. Happens every year.
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Why do we have so many QB threads?
Because the Silly Season has just begun War. Like we're not drafting one high? Damn, the real mud slinging hasn't even started yet.....
Us Mods will try to keep the assorted "Camps" in one QB love fest thread specific to the love boat.. So we have Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen (barf- I'm entitled to MHO there) Rudolph, Benkert- SO FAR.
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Why do we have so many QB threads?
Because the Silly Season has just begun War. Like we're not drafting one high? Damn, the real mud slinging hasn't even started yet.....
Us Mods will try to keep the assorted "Camps" in one QB love fest thread specific to the love boat.. So we have Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen (barf- I'm entitled to MHO there) Rudolph, Benkert- SO FAR.
Because the Silly Season has just begun War. Like we're not drafting one high? Damn, the real mud slinging hasn't even started yet.....
Us Mods will try to keep the assorted "Camps" in one QB love fest thread. So we have Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen (barf- I'm entitled to MHO there) Rudolph, Benkert- SO FAR.
I will make my Lamar Jackson thread shortly. I will make sure to pick a different QB to crap on across several threads as well.
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Because the Silly Season has just begun War. Like we're not drafting one high? Damn, the real mud slinging hasn't even started yet.....
Us Mods will try to keep the assorted "Camps" in one QB love fest thread. So we have Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen (barf- I'm entitled to MHO there) Rudolph, Benkert- SO FAR.
I will make my Lamar Jackson thread shortly. I will make sure to pick a different QB to crap on across several threads as well.
I will make my Lamar Jackson thread shortly. I will make sure to pick a different QB to crap on across several threads as well.
Duly noted, but be aware I'm not fond of Lamar, but if you think he's "The Guy" be my guest, it will take a lot of convincing..
What's pissing us Mods off is someone is already so enamored of a QB- he finds it necessary to denigrate other (very obvious) potential #1 picks.
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I will make my Lamar Jackson thread shortly. I will make sure to pick a different QB to crap on across several threads as well.
Duly noted, but be aware I'm not fond of Lamar, but if you think he's "The Guy" be my guest, it will take a lot of convincing..
What's pissing us Mods off is someone is already so enamored of a QB- he finds it necessary to denigrate other (very obvious) potential #1 picks.
Duly noted, but be aware I'm not fond of Lamar, but if you think he's "The Guy" be my guest, it will take a lot of convincing..
What's pissing us Mods off is someone is already so enamored of a QB- he finds it necessary to denigrate another (very obvious) potential #1 pick.
I am not enamored with any QB so far. That was a joke more than anything. I do intend on trying to sit down and watch film on all of these guys to narrow down who I don’t want. Allen so far to Cal’s dismay haha.
Jackson may just end up being someone I could tolerate early 2nd round. Or could be a complete dud upon further review.
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Duly noted, but be aware I'm not fond of Lamar, but if you think he's "The Guy" be my guest, it will take a lot of convincing..
What's pissing us Mods off is someone is already so enamored of a QB- he finds it necessary to denigrate another (very obvious) potential #1 pick.
I am not enamored with any QB so far. That was a joke more than anything. I do intend on trying to sit down and watch film on all of these guys to narrow down who I don’t want. Allen so far to Cal’s dismay haha.
Jackson may just end up being someone I could tolerate early 2nd round. Or could be a complete dud upon further review.
I am not enamored with any QB so far. That was a joke more than anything. I do intend on trying to sit down and watch film on all of these guys to narrow down who I don’t want. Allen so far to Cal’s dismay haha.
Jackson may just end up being someone I could tolerate early 2nd round. Or could be a complete dud upon further review.
I think Gipper said it best- and I've said the same thing- we can argue for the next 3+ months who the Browns should draft- and it's not going to make a damn bit of difference. I already have my faves and barf list at the ready- doesn't mean I can't change my mind...
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Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
Saw that too. I am not getting the Darnold hype at all.
Saw that too. I am not getting the Darnold hype at all.
I do like Darnold.
I like his size, his arm, his ability to make NFL throws (throwing people open, making tough throws into small windows, etc) and while he's obviously not Lamar Jackson, Darnold has the ability to pick up yards given to him, and to be able to move around the pocket to avoid the rush. (A statue would have ended up on a stretcher vs Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl) He seems like a good leader and good teammate.
But he's so much a work in process. He's not at Rosen's level now. Darnold should have gone back to USC, and I'm saying this knowing there's a great chance he's taken in the top 5.
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Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
I'm just not so sure that things like that actually get 'cleaned up'. Sure, they'll work on it...and he might get better at it in practice and drills......but once the games start and he's in the heat of battle they tend to go right back to what they always, kind of naturally, did.
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Darnold has a noticeable hitch in his throwing motion.
He drops the ball down to his waist (could be the reason for all the fumbles) instead of keeping it up near his chest, then winds up and throws passes like he's a baseball pitcher.
He needs to clean this up.
I'm just not so sure that things like that actually get 'cleaned up'. Sure, they'll work on it...and he might get better at it in practice and drills......but once the games start and he's in the heat of battle they tend to go right back to what they always, kind of naturally, did.
I'm just not so sure that things like that actually get 'cleaned up'. Sure, they'll work on it...and he might get better at it in practice and drills......but once the games start and he's in the heat of battle they tend to go right back to what they always, kind of naturally, did.
Sitting behind Favre for three years helped, but Aaron Rodgers reworked his delivery.
QBs holding the ball too low is a common problem that can be fixed. Its not like he's Bernie Kosar trying to go from throwing side arm to throwing completely overhand like Peyton Manning.
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I'm just not so sure that things like that actually get 'cleaned up'. Sure, they'll work on it...and he might get better at it in practice and drills......but once the games start and he's in the heat of battle they tend to go right back to what they always, kind of naturally, did.
Sitting behind Favre for three years helped, but Aaron Rodgers reworked his delivery.
QBs holding the ball too low is a common problem that can be fixed. Its not like he's Bernie Kosar trying to go from throwing side arm to throwing completely overhand like Peyton Manning.
QBs holding the ball too low is a common problem that can be fixed.
But the 'Wind up and the pitch' are harder to fix. I'd prefer someone who's got the most correct mechanical things already ingrained into their persona.
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QBs holding the ball too low is a common problem that can be fixed.
But the 'Wind up and the pitch' are harder to fix. I'd prefer someone who's got the most correct mechanical things already ingrained into their persona.
But the 'Wind up and the pitch' are harder to fix. I'd prefer someone who's got the most correct mechanical things already ingrained into their persona.
But wouldn't holding the ball too low be the cause of the "wind up and pitch" delivery? Because the ball is around his waist, it has to be raised way up, like he's a baseball pitcher?
If it is something difficult to fix (almost hard-wired which is what I think you are saying) then this would be something the Browns need to consider.
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Saw that too. I am not getting the Darnold hype at all.
I do like Darnold.
I like his size, his arm, his ability to make NFL throws (throwing people open, making tough throws into small windows, etc) and while he's obviously not Lamar Jackson, Darnold has the ability to pick up yards given to him, and to be able to move around the pocket to avoid the rush. (A statue would have ended up on a stretcher vs Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl) He seems like a good leader and good teammate.
But he's so much a work in process. He's not at Rosen's level now. Darnold should have gone back to USC, and I'm saying this knowing there's a great chance he's taken in the top 5.
I think that if Lamar Jackson lands with the right team, a team whose starter has a similar skill set, e.g., Seattle or Buffalo, then he has a shot at developing into a starter level NFL QB.
Darnold should have gone back to USC, and I'm saying this knowing there's a great chance he's taken in the top 5.
That's why he came out. Top 5 $$$...
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But the 'Wind up and the pitch' are harder to fix. I'd prefer someone who's got the most correct mechanical things already ingrained into their persona.
But wouldn't holding the ball too low be the cause of the "wind up and pitch" delivery? Because the ball is around his waist, it has to be raised way up, like he's a baseball pitcher?
If it is something difficult to fix (almost hard-wired which is what I think you are saying) then this would be something the Browns need to consider.
But wouldn't holding the ball too low be the cause of the "wind up and pitch" delivery?
Highly doubtful in Darnold's case because he starts it with a sternum high "pat" and then drops it. That is he starts in the correct position, but takes the wrong path.
This as opposed to Kizer who fell into the bad habit his last season at ND of holding the ball low (below chest high) in one hand. Prior to The Combine he worked with George WhatsHisFace, the QB guru. By simply correcting his starting point to two hands on the ball at sternum height and associating that with the proper ball path to the throwing position, his looping windup disappeared.
That said, as soon as Kizer had to move the left hand came off the ball and the loop came back. It's the reversion under pressure Orion mentioned.
Worst wind up ever? Former MLB pitching prospect Brandon "Wheezy" Weedon. Ball dropped down from his chest to thigh high at times.
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