Alex smith
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I don't want to trade anything of value. If we can overpay one of these bums great. I'd rather take a quarterback at number one and another one in the second round than to trade the second round pick.
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Totally baffled why you wouldnt give anything of value for Cousins or Smith. Both immediately make us better than we've been since the return.
Totally baffled why you wouldnt give anything of value for Cousins or Smith. Both immediately make us better than we've been since the return.
Sometimes I think it's been so long since we've seen real football from the Browns that some of us have forgotten what it looks like.
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Alex Smith led the NFL in quarterback rating this season, and so far he looks every bit the part.
I'm firmly in the camp that the Browns NOT take a QB with the first pick in the draft. Rather, I'd prefer that they acquire a true NFL-caliber quarterback by, well, getting a current NFL quarterback. Smith via trade, or Cousins via free agency, either works for me.
If the Browns do pick up one of those two it provides Dorsey with flexibility to trade down for more picks or, my preference, stay put and draft blue chip studs at #1 and #4.
Even IF we somehow get Smith- MHO is we're still taking a QB with the #1 pick. Smith is 33, turns 34 in May- and is the perfect bridge qb to have Darnold (or someone similar) sit behind a year or two to learn the game.
Smith would be acquired via trade, as he is not a free agent. I don't care what it would cost to sign Cousins - it's not my money, and the Browns have a ton of it.
Continuing to repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome is the definition of insanity. This applies to the Browns expectation that they can find a franchise quarterback in the draft. After nearly 20 years of failed attempts the cycle of insanity has to stop.
Regarding the perception of players' lack of interest to come to Cleveland, that's a self-fulfilling prophesy. Thankfully you're not in the front office.
Regarding drafting QBs, just because you've struck out in the past doesn't mean you don't keep swinging. We haven't drafted a QB high since Tim Couch. That's 19 years ago. I am so freaking tired of shopping the bargain bin. Had Wentz staring us in the face, and we got Corey Cold-hands in return. The Bengals drafted a series of incredible busts high- Dave Kingler and Akilli Smith, until they hit on Carson Palmer. So here's some karma for you- Palmer- USC, Darnold-USC.
Thankfully, you're not in charge of the cap either. Cousins is going to demand (and probably get) top 5 qb money, plus a long term contract. Know a big Redskins fan who says Cousins flat out isn't worth what it would cost Washington to resign him. FWIW, Smith will cost around $19 million in a trade in the final year of his contract. The bidding for Cousins will start at $24 million- his current salary. You tell me what the better deal for the Browns is.
I'll let the draft gurus decide- but one of our second round picks should be plenty to get Smith on the Browns. Don't forget the Chiefs are missing their first round pick this year. Or would you rather get in a bidding war for $150 million (the number I've been hearing) and marry the team to Cousins for the next 4 years?
Even IF we somehow get Smith- MHO is we're still taking a QB with the #1 pick. Smith is 33, turns 34 in May- and is the perfect bridge qb to have Darnold (or someone similar) sit behind a year or two to learn the game.
Regarding drafting QBs, just because you've struck out in the past doesn't mean you don't keep swinging. We haven't drafted a QB high since Tim Couch. That's 19 years ago. I am so freaking tired of shopping the bargain bin. Had Wentz staring us in the face, and we got Corey Cold-hands in return. The Bengals drafted a series of incredible busts high- Dave Kingler and Akilli Smith, until they hit on Carson Palmer. So here's some karma for you- Palmer- USC, Darnold-USC.
Thankfully, you're not in charge of the cap either. Cousins is going to demand (and probably get) top 5 qb money, plus a long term contract. Know a big Redskins fan who says Cousins flat out isn't worth what it would cost Washington to resign him. FWIW, Smith will cost around $19 million in a trade in the final year of his contract. The bidding for Cousins will start at $24 million- his current salary. You tell me what the better deal for the Browns is.
I'll let the draft gurus decide- but one of our second round picks should be plenty to get Smith on the Browns. Don't forget the Chiefs are missing their first round pick this year. Or would you rather get in a bidding war for $150 million (the number I've been hearing) and marry the team to Cousins for the next 4 years?
Taking a QB at #1 after trading for Alex Smith assumes that there is a franchise QB among the current prospects. I'm not convinced that there is. Not a single one blows scouts away with his skills, leadership, or performance. As such, selecting a QB with the first pick is perilous.
The Browns have some exciting targets in Gordon, Nojoku and Duke. Some of their best years will go to waste if the Browns cross their fingers yet again and hope that they hit on a franchise QB in the draft. Waiting for such a QB to develop, or waiting for one to fall into their lap, just adds years to the rebuild. Players such as Danny Shelton aren't going to wait when their first chance at free agency occurs - they'll find both big money and a successful team outside of Ohio.
You're right - it is a good thing for you that I'm not in charge of the cap. That way you can continue to fantasize about what the Browns can acquire NEXT year with all that cash under the cap. I'm not satisfied with dumpster diving to fill out the roster - that never leads to wins. I want a roster full of professional football players that know how to win, have a history of winning, and will snap this franchise out of the deadly funk it has been sleepwalking through for the past two decades. If that requires over-paying to acquire such players, so be it. The money is there to be spent, and spent to improve the roster. There are no awards for having the most cap space. Spend it.
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Since you asked, I give them the pick we got from the Eagles in the second round-it's going to be a low one. Latest on nfl.com says the bidding could get crazy. That pick and a future second is as high as I go.
I'm not keen on backing up the Brinks for Cousins, and if the bidding gets insane for Smith, I let our designated pinata Kizer start and lose a few more before we throw the rookie into the fray.
All three Minnesota Vikings QBs are free agents...
All three Minnesota Vikings QBs are free agents...
Other than China Doll Bradford, I'm interested.... You have to think they'll be keeping Teddy, and say adios to Sam....
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All three Minnesota Vikings QBs are free agents...
Other than China Doll Bradford, I'm interested.... You have to think they'll be keeping Teddy, and say adios to Sam....
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Even IF we somehow get Smith- MHO is we're still taking a QB with the #1 pick. Smith is 33, turns 34 in May- and is the perfect bridge qb to have Darnold (or someone similar) sit behind a year or two to learn the game.
Regarding drafting QBs, just because you've struck out in the past doesn't mean you don't keep swinging. We haven't drafted a QB high since Tim Couch. That's 19 years ago. I am so freaking tired of shopping the bargain bin. Had Wentz staring us in the face, and we got Corey Cold-hands in return. The Bengals drafted a series of incredible busts high- Dave Kingler and Akilli Smith, until they hit on Carson Palmer. So here's some karma for you- Palmer- USC, Darnold-USC.
Thankfully, you're not in charge of the cap either. Cousins is going to demand (and probably get) top 5 qb money, plus a long term contract. Know a big Redskins fan who says Cousins flat out isn't worth what it would cost Washington to resign him. FWIW, Smith will cost around $19 million in a trade in the final year of his contract. The bidding for Cousins will start at $24 million- his current salary. You tell me what the better deal for the Browns is.
I'll let the draft gurus decide- but one of our second round picks should be plenty to get Smith on the Browns. Don't forget the Chiefs are missing their first round pick this year. Or would you rather get in a bidding war for $150 million (the number I've been hearing) and marry the team to Cousins for the next 4 years?
Taking a QB at #1 after trading for Alex Smith assumes that there is a franchise QB among the current prospects. I'm not convinced that there is. Not a single one blows scouts away with his skills, leadership, or performance. As such, selecting a QB with the first pick is perilous.
The Browns have some exciting targets in Gordon, Nojoku and Duke. Some of their best years will go to waste if the Browns cross their fingers yet again and hope that they hit on a franchise QB in the draft. Waiting for such a QB to develop, or waiting for one to fall into their lap, just adds years to the rebuild. Players such as Danny Shelton aren't going to wait when their first chance at free agency occurs - they'll find both big money and a successful team outside of Ohio.
You're right - it is a good thing for you that I'm not in charge of the cap. That way you can continue to fantasize about what the Browns can acquire NEXT year with all that cash under the cap. I'm not satisfied with dumpster diving to fill out the roster - that never leads to wins. I want a roster full of professional football players that know how to win, have a history of winning, and will snap this franchise out of the deadly funk it has been sleepwalking through for the past two decades. If that requires over-paying to acquire such players, so be it. The money is there to be spent, and spent to improve the roster. There are no awards for having the most cap space. Spend it.
Taking a QB at #1 after trading for Alex Smith assumes that there is a franchise QB among the current prospects. I'm not convinced that there is. Not a single one blows scouts away with his skills, leadership, or performance. As such, selecting a QB with the first pick is perilous.
The Browns have some exciting targets in Gordon, Nojoku and Duke. Some of their best years will go to waste if the Browns cross their fingers yet again and hope that they hit on a franchise QB in the draft. Waiting for such a QB to develop, or waiting for one to fall into their lap, just adds years to the rebuild. Players such as Danny Shelton aren't going to wait when their first chance at free agency occurs - they'll find both big money and a successful team outside of Ohio.
You're right - it is a good thing for you that I'm not in charge of the cap. That way you can continue to fantasize about what the Browns can acquire NEXT year with all that cash under the cap. I'm not satisfied with dumpster diving to fill out the roster - that never leads to wins. I want a roster full of professional football players that know how to win, have a history of winning, and will snap this franchise out of the deadly funk it has been sleepwalking through for the past two decades. If that requires over-paying to acquire such players, so be it. The money is there to be spent, and spent to improve the roster. There are no awards for having the most cap space. Spend it.
You may not be convinced there's a franchise qb in the 2018 draft- well, I disagree, there's about 3 or maybe 4. Enough of the chickenshit passing on guys to build draft capital.
Spending all the way to the cap limit means guys like Garrett and Sheldon will surely walk when we can't afford to pay them- because we ate all the cap for a quick fix. That almost never works. I'm not saying don't attract decent vets. I'm saying don't blow 25% of the cap on one player. (Cousins) And for sure don't spend $10 million on guys like Kenny Britt- he sure helped out a ton.
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I'm all for Smith or Cousins.
KC would save $17 million in cap space by releasing Smith and the full $22 million if they can trade him before his bonus kicks in.
If we get Smith, we still draft a QB at #1, and he sits 2-4 years.
If we get Cousins (odds are much lower), then we don't HAVE to take a QB at 1 bc Kirk would be our starter for 5+ years possibly. The only benefit to still drafting a QB at 1 would be, if all goes well, we shouldn't have another opportunity to draft this high.
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Even IF we somehow get Smith- MHO is we're still taking a QB with the #1 pick. Smith is 33, turns 34 in May- and is the perfect bridge qb to have Darnold (or someone similar) sit behind a year or two to learn the game.
Regarding drafting QBs, just because you've struck out in the past doesn't mean you don't keep swinging. We haven't drafted a QB high since Tim Couch. That's 19 years ago. I am so freaking tired of shopping the bargain bin. Had Wentz staring us in the face, and we got Corey Cold-hands in return. The Bengals drafted a series of incredible busts high- Dave Kingler and Akilli Smith, until they hit on Carson Palmer. So here's some karma for you- Palmer- USC, Darnold-USC.
Thankfully, you're not in charge of the cap either. Cousins is going to demand (and probably get) top 5 qb money, plus a long term contract. Know a big Redskins fan who says Cousins flat out isn't worth what it would cost Washington to resign him. FWIW, Smith will cost around $19 million in a trade in the final year of his contract. The bidding for Cousins will start at $24 million- his current salary. You tell me what the better deal for the Browns is.
I'll let the draft gurus decide- but one of our second round picks should be plenty to get Smith on the Browns. Don't forget the Chiefs are missing their first round pick this year. Or would you rather get in a bidding war for $150 million (the number I've been hearing) and marry the team to Cousins for the next 4 years?
Taking a QB at #1 after trading for Alex Smith assumes that there is a franchise QB among the current prospects. I'm not convinced that there is. Not a single one blows scouts away with his skills, leadership, or performance. As such, selecting a QB with the first pick is perilous.
The Browns have some exciting targets in Gordon, Nojoku and Duke. Some of their best years will go to waste if the Browns cross their fingers yet again and hope that they hit on a franchise QB in the draft. Waiting for such a QB to develop, or waiting for one to fall into their lap, just adds years to the rebuild. Players such as Danny Shelton aren't going to wait when their first chance at free agency occurs - they'll find both big money and a successful team outside of Ohio.
You're right - it is a good thing for you that I'm not in charge of the cap. That way you can continue to fantasize about what the Browns can acquire NEXT year with all that cash under the cap. I'm not satisfied with dumpster diving to fill out the roster - that never leads to wins. I want a roster full of professional football players that know how to win, have a history of winning, and will snap this franchise out of the deadly funk it has been sleepwalking through for the past two decades. If that requires over-paying to acquire such players, so be it. The money is there to be spent, and spent to improve the roster. There are no awards for having the most cap space. Spend it.
Taking a QB at #1 after trading for Alex Smith assumes that there is a franchise QB among the current prospects. I'm not convinced that there is. Not a single one blows scouts away with his skills, leadership, or performance. As such, selecting a QB with the first pick is perilous.
The Browns have some exciting targets in Gordon, Nojoku and Duke. Some of their best years will go to waste if the Browns cross their fingers yet again and hope that they hit on a franchise QB in the draft. Waiting for such a QB to develop, or waiting for one to fall into their lap, just adds years to the rebuild. Players such as Danny Shelton aren't going to wait when their first chance at free agency occurs - they'll find both big money and a successful team outside of Ohio.
You're right - it is a good thing for you that I'm not in charge of the cap. That way you can continue to fantasize about what the Browns can acquire NEXT year with all that cash under the cap. I'm not satisfied with dumpster diving to fill out the roster - that never leads to wins. I want a roster full of professional football players that know how to win, have a history of winning, and will snap this franchise out of the deadly funk it has been sleepwalking through for the past two decades. If that requires over-paying to acquire such players, so be it. The money is there to be spent, and spent to improve the roster. There are no awards for having the most cap space. Spend it.
Post of the year candidate right here
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I'm all for Smith or Cousins.
KC would save $17 million in cap space by releasing Smith and the full $22 million if they can trade him before his bonus kicks in.
If we get Smith, we still draft a QB at #1, and he sits 2-4 years.
If we get Cousins (odds are much lower), then we don't HAVE to take a QB at 1 bc Kirk would be our starter for 5+ years possibly. The only benefit to still drafting a QB at 1 would be, if all goes well, we shouldn't have another opportunity to draft this high.
I'm all for Smith or Cousins.
KC would save $17 million in cap space by releasing Smith and the full $22 million if they can trade him before his bonus kicks in.
If we get Smith, we still draft a QB at #1, and he sits 2-4 years.
If we get Cousins (odds are much lower), then we don't HAVE to take a QB at 1 bc Kirk would be our starter for 5+ years possibly. The only benefit to still drafting a QB at 1 would be, if all goes well, we shouldn't have another opportunity to draft this high.
Well thanks to the Titans, Smith is now available.
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This may sound crazy but I'd like to see how Nick Foles handles the playoffs. He could be a reasonable option.
Foles has been absolutely atrocious on 2/3 starts so far. I mean scout team bad.
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That Colin Kaepernick fellow is still sitting around doing jack Sh!t and could probably be signed for a dollar fifty. I don't like all the racially and politically charged nonsense that's come in the wake of his protest but I hear he used to be a decent football player once upon a time.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I'm all for Smith or Cousins.
KC would save $17 million in cap space by releasing Smith and the full $22 million if they can trade him before his bonus kicks in.
If we get Smith, we still draft a QB at #1, and he sits 2-4 years.
If we get Cousins (odds are much lower), then we don't HAVE to take a QB at 1 bc Kirk would be our starter for 5+ years possibly. The only benefit to still drafting a QB at 1 would be, if all goes well, we shouldn't have another opportunity to draft this high.
Well thanks to the Titans, Smith is now available.
Well thanks to the Titans, Smith is now available.
But what will the asking price be Ag?
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Well thanks to the Titans, Smith is now available.
But what will the asking price be Ag?
But what will the asking price be Ag?
Actually the key question is what will Dorsey be willing to give up. He did bring him in to KC for an early second and a conditional mid-rounder according to this article. I don't know who those turned out to be or where in the mid rounds they gave up the pick.
I'm also not sure if KC has cap problems that will require then to drop Smith anyway. Heard rumors but don't know the particulars.
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That Colin Kaepernick fellow is still sitting around doing jack Sh!t and could probably be signed for a dollar fifty. I don't like all the racially and politically charged nonsense that's come in the wake of his protest but I hear he used to be a decent football player once upon a time.
That Colin Kaepernick fellow is still sitting around doing jack Sh!t and could probably be signed for a dollar fifty. I don't like all the racially and politically charged nonsense that's come in the wake of his protest but I hear he used to be a decent football player once upon a time.
Lots of rust not to mention divisive baggage that a young team does not need.
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Well thanks to the Titans, Smith is now available.
But what will the asking price be Ag?
But what will the asking price be Ag?
Of course by draft time, KC will be asking for a 1st round pick just as Belicheck with Jimmy G. Why not, When ya have No 1st round pick,why not ask for the Moon. KC will be looking at teams later in the draft such as Buffalo/Jags/Zona teams a QB away with ageing veterans rosters to jump at Alex. Lets just say after pick 22, is their a QB on the board better than Alex that can start Now?..This time Elway won't be jumping for guys like Paxton Lynch..and no, KC will not trade Alex in division but will have no complaints asking for a 1st..We sit at #33 & what else? maybe KC's offer?????(Reid's plan was moving Hogan to KC PS..that poker chip is in the pot imo)
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That Colin Kaepernick fellow is still sitting around doing jack Sh!t and could probably be signed for a dollar fifty. I don't like all the racially and politically charged nonsense that's come in the wake of his protest but I hear he used to be a decent football player once upon a time.
That Colin Kaepernick fellow is still sitting around doing jack Sh!t and could probably be signed for a dollar fifty. I don't like all the racially and politically charged nonsense that's come in the wake of his protest but I hear he used to be a decent football player once upon a time.
CANCER
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That Colin Kaepernick fellow is still sitting around doing jack Sh!t and could probably be signed for a dollar fifty. I don't like all the racially and politically charged nonsense that's come in the wake of his protest but I hear he used to be a decent football player once upon a time.
That Colin Kaepernick fellow is still sitting around doing jack Sh!t and could probably be signed for a dollar fifty. I don't like all the racially and politically charged nonsense that's come in the wake of his protest but I hear he used to be a decent football player once upon a time.
If he'd be willing to sign for a reasonable price than by all means. As a fan of team is 1-31 I really don't care about kneeling, I'll take some victories and then worry about how they look. Michael Vick is on TV and what he did was a thousand times worse. Do we still talk about Crows twitter rants? The Cleveland Browns need good football players.
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That Colin Kaepernick fellow is still sitting around doing jack Sh!t and could probably be signed for a dollar fifty. I don't like all the racially and politically charged nonsense that's come in the wake of his protest but I hear he used to be a decent football player once upon a time.
If he'd be willing to sign for a reasonable price than by all means. As a fan of team is 1-31 I really don't care about kneeling, I'll take some victories and then worry about how they look. Michael Vick is on TV and what he did was a thousand times worse. Do we still talk about Crows twitter rants? The Cleveland Browns need good football players.
If he'd be willing to sign for a reasonable price than by all means. As a fan of team is 1-31 I really don't care about kneeling, I'll take some victories and then worry about how they look. Michael Vick is on TV and what he did was a thousand times worse. Do we still talk about Crows twitter rants? The Cleveland Browns need good football players.
You might feel this way, but I can guarantee this would be an epic constant fight on here if Kaepernick was signed by the Browns.
He should have a NFL job, I have a hard time believing there are 64+ better QBs in the NFL.
I just don't want to see the circus it would start on here, plus he's not a good fit IMO. I want Kizer as the #3, Rosen or Darnold as the backup, and Alex Smith/ Teddy Twatwater/Case Keenum/Sam Bradford/Tyrod Taylor/AJ McCarron as the starter.
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If he'd be willing to sign for a reasonable price than by all means. As a fan of team is 1-31 I really don't care about kneeling, I'll take some victories and then worry about how they look. Michael Vick is on TV and what he did was a thousand times worse. Do we still talk about Crows twitter rants? The Cleveland Browns need good football players.
You might feel this way, but I can guarantee this would be an epic constant fight on here if Kaepernick was signed by the Browns.
He should have a NFL job, I have a hard time believing there are 64+ better QBs in the NFL.
I just don't want to see the circus it would start on here, plus he's not a good fit IMO. I want Kizer as the #3, Rosen or Darnold as the backup, and Alex Smith/ Teddy Twatwater/Case Keenum/Sam Bradford/Tyrod Taylor/AJ McCarron as the starter.
You might feel this way, but I can guarantee this would be an epic constant fight on here if Kaepernick was signed by the Browns.
He should have a NFL job, I have a hard time believing there are 64+ better QBs in the NFL.
I just don't want to see the circus it would start on here, plus he's not a good fit IMO . I want Kizer as the #3, Rosen or Darnold as the backup, and Alex Smith/ Teddy Twatwater/Case Keenum/Sam Bradford/Tyrod Taylor/AJ McCarron as the starter.
Oh yeah the media spotlight would be really on Cleveland and for more than the 0-16 thing. Who knows it might be good for local business, might even sell a few more BROWNS game tickets.
As a starting Quarterback who knows might be a stopgap until the next draft day rookie savior is ready to put in the breech and fire into live action. More drama in Cleveland.
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Alex Smith led the NFL in quarterback rating this season, and so far he looks every bit the part.
I'm firmly in the camp that the Browns NOT take a QB with the first pick in the draft. Rather, I'd prefer that they acquire a true NFL-caliber quarterback by, well, getting a current NFL quarterback. Smith via trade, or Cousins via free agency, either works for me.
If the Browns do pick up one of those two it provides Dorsey with flexibility to trade down for more picks or, my preference, stay put and draft blue chip studs at #1 and #4.
Alex Smith led the NFL in quarterback rating this season, and so far he looks every bit the part.
I'm firmly in the camp that the Browns NOT take a QB with the first pick in the draft. Rather, I'd prefer that they acquire a true NFL-caliber quarterback by, well, getting a current NFL quarterback. Smith via trade, or Cousins via free agency, either works for me.
If the Browns do pick up one of those two it provides Dorsey with flexibility to trade down for more picks or, my preference, stay put and draft blue chip studs at #1 and #4.
I like or Kirk cousins if available
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That Colin Kaepernick fellow is still sitting around doing jack Sh!t and could probably be signed for a dollar fifty. I don't like all the racially and politically charged nonsense that's come in the wake of his protest but I hear he used to be a decent football player once upon a time.
If he'd be willing to sign for a reasonable price than by all means. As a fan of team is 1-31 I really don't care about kneeling, I'll take some victories and then worry about how they look. Michael Vick is on TV and what he did was a thousand times worse. Do we still talk about Crows twitter rants? The Cleveland Browns need good football players.
If he'd be willing to sign for a reasonable price than by all means. As a fan of team is 1-31 I really don't care about kneeling, I'll take some victories and then worry about how they look. Michael Vick is on TV and what he did was a thousand times worse. Do we still talk about Crows twitter rants? The Cleveland Browns need good football players.
A young team struggling to learn how to win needs to minimize distractions. Haslam doesn't appear to be the brightest bulb, but I' sure even he learned from the Johnny disaster.
Can you imagine all the media swarming in to Cleveland, to cover Kaepernick? No thanks.
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