Patriots' dinasty finale?
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He was setting a winning franchise. All the legacy he made during his Browns' tenure can be seen in the amount of HC, GMs et al that there are nowadays and were part of his coaching staff during that time.
Ozzie Newsome acknowledged that the SB that the Ravens won on '00 was born in Cleveland.
There is a documentary about it that I cannot find now.
And what he thinks of the Browns ownership can be seen in all what was commented (including this article) about the Garoppolo deal. And even if he wasn't half the great coach most of us think he is, he could see that being Browns HC isn't an ideal job, even less for him, who could choose which team to go to.
He was setting a winning franchise. All the legacy he made during his Browns' tenure can be seen in the amount of HC, GMs et al that there are nowadays and were part of his coaching staff during that time.
Ozzie Newsome acknowledged that the SB that the Ravens won on '00 was born in Cleveland.
There is a documentary about it that I cannot find now.
And what he thinks of the Browns ownership can be seen in all what was commented (including this article) about the Garoppolo deal. And even if he wasn't half the great coach most of us think he is, he could see that being Browns HC isn't an ideal job, even less for him, who could choose which team to go to.
BB was a failure here. Did he learn from his time here? Most certainly. Was he getting better as a coach as he went along.. Likely.......but that does not make him any less of a failure.
I mean....freeking Pat Shurmur is getting serious concern for other HC jobs. Will you argue that he was not a failure as a HC here?
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It's interesting to read. What is really true and its real consequences remains to be known, but it somehow explaining the latest news coming from New England gives the article some credit.
This isn't news. THis is bullschidt.
THe STEELERS................... not internal strife is what stopped the Patriots this year. The media already knows the Pats string of luck has run out. The Steelers are the best team in the NFL and will wipe their asss with Brady again.
This isn't news. THis is bullschidt.
THe STEELERS................... not internal strife is what stopped the Patriots this year. The media already knows the Pats string of luck has run out. The Steelers are the best team in the NFL and will wipe their asss with Brady again.
Funny....what was the score when they played...in Pittsburgh? Oh, yea...the strife ridden Pats still won. How did the Pats get home field advantage? By beating the Squibs.
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@boo-fagley said:
If bull $hit was money you would be rich.
Shefter just reported that BB is back in NE for the 2018 season. Unlike you his word is gold.
Yea...I just made it up......except for the fact that it was still being speculated about on ESPN this morning. Maybe you better call them and call them on it.
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Nero, you're at least the tenth person to get into a BB debate with Gipper. Welcome to the club...
It's interesting to read. What is really true and its real consequences remains to be known, but it somehow explaining the latest news coming from New England gives the article some credit.
Thanks for the post... really good read.
One thing for sure... Pats are going QB hunting this draft... with barely decent ammo to get the job done. Their #1 and the 29ers #2.09 can get them into the upper end of the 3rd-quartile, mid-1st territory.
New England Patriots Picks:
Round 1 Pick 31
Round 2 Pick 9
Round 2 Pick 31
Round 3 Pick 31
Round 6 Pick 31
Future Picks:
2019 Round 1 Pick
2020 Round 1 PickSo...that is the soap opera apparently playing out in New England...
Food for thought, no?
You halfway summarized the article... minus some accuracy, a lot of depth and all nuance.
Having read the article I can tell you there's no food there... none... nada... given the line attributed to BB in the article that "when the owner gets involved in football decisions, then it's time to go". Plus Bill ain't going anywhere that he doesn't get the GM hat as well.
Your food did make me wonder if Al Lerner, ever considered inviting Bill to come home... DeBartolo probably dissuaded any thought along those lines.
You halfway summarized the article... minus some accuracy, a lot of depth and all nuance.
Having read the article I can tell you there's no food there... none... nada... given the line attributed to BB in the article that "when the owner gets involved in football decisions, then it's time to go". Plus Bill ain't going anywhere that he doesn't get the GM hat as well.
Your food did make me wonder if Al Lerner, ever considered inviting Bill to come home... DeBartolo probably dissuaded any thought along those lines.
I didn't summarize the article...I didn't read it. I just related what I heard. So...if I was inaccurate...it is because the reports I heard were inaccurate. (though I don't think they were...you just say shite like that to make people think you are so much smarter than everyone else...when actually all you are is a bigger asshat than anyone else).
and of course...as "SUMMARY" by definition lacks depth and nuance. Or maybe you didn't know that.
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You are as obtuse as usual. I am not saying the Steeler play a boring game. They do have some exciting players and play some close even wild games...which is all fine well and good. I am saying that we are bored with having them in contention. Who cares if they play like the XFL or play like three yards and a cloud of dust. It is boring having them be around.
That should not have been so hard to comprehend...but you managed it.
OK,, then you should have said that in the first place. You said in the present tense "the Steelers and Pats are boring", you should have said "the Steelers and Pats would be boring."
Two entirely different conclusions, so its not a matter of being obtuse, its a matter of you failing to convey what you really mean.
OK,, then you should have said that in the first place. You said in the present tense "the Steelers and Pats are boring", you should have said "the Steelers and Pats would be boring."
Two entirely different conclusions, so its not a matter of being obtuse, its a matter of you failing to convey what you really mean.
Again, you are wrong...even concerning simple English . I said ..and these other boring POS teams, like Squibs and Pats can just fade away for a few decades.. So...I said that they ARE boring. "Would be" implies that something is conditional....such as "it would be boring if the Pats and Steelers made the playoffs". Except...they are already in the playoffs...so there is no "would be" about it. Having them be in contention IS boring....as I said.
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@boo-fagley said:
If bull $hit was money you would be rich.
Shefter just reported that BB is back in NE for the 2018 season. Unlike you his word is gold.
Boo, I am LMAO @ you continually kicking Gip in his old, crusty, brittle nutsack. Keep it up bro, it is a high point of my coming here.
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@boo-fagley said:
You should be a moderator here Ghoolie instead they persecute you for being a soothsayer. Its looking like you might be spot on about Brady being done.
You predicted the end a year ago. How did you know Tom?
Get a fuc-king room already...
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@boo-fagley said:
You should be a moderator here Ghoolie instead they persecute you for being a soothsayer. Its looking like you might be spot on about Brady being done.
You predicted the end a year ago. How did you know Tom?
Get a fuc-king room already...
Get a fuc-king room already...
Considering Ghoolie and boo are the same person, the hotel room would consist of Ghoolie, a box of tissues, lotion and a economy sized box of boner pills.
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@boo-fagley said:
You should be a moderator here Ghoolie instead they persecute you for being a soothsayer. Its looking like you might be spot on about Brady being done.
You predicted the end a year ago. How did you know Tom?
I thought he said he was done BEFORE he won another SB. If you say it every year, some year you will be right. That's just math and inevitability. BTW I predict that the earth will rotate and make it appear that the sun rises tomorrow. Now that's a soothsayer.
I thought he said he was done BEFORE he won another SB. If you say it every year, some year you will be right. That's just math and inevitability. BTW I predict that the earth will rotate and make it appear that the sun rises tomorrow. Now that's a soothsayer.
I said Brady was done when I saw him in the first half of the SB. I have no dog in that hunt because I am a visceral Belichik supporter. Hoorta will tell you that in 1995 I predicted to him that Bill B would be one of the greatest coaches of all time.
I knew Brady was done because I watch life with my eyes, and my brain is not polluted by what someone tells me to think. I never said Brady couldn't play competitive football, what I said was...................his razor sharp reflexes are gone, done, fini, kaput.
if any NFL opponent has the vision I do, he will ignore the fear of pressuring Brady, and abandon zone defenses. Given time to pass? Sure, he can hit open recievers for another 10 years. NFL coaches are mostly like you guys................making a game plan on what Brady used to be. Giving him more time to throw because they fear him shredding them.
That Brady is gone, deceased, he doesn't exist any more. Without miracles, and Atlanta letting up, giving Brady time, the Patriots would not have won last year. I predicted that he would not get to another AFC championship game in his life. I know, out on a limb, he is only one win away, yeah? The Steelers handled him, there is no doubt, and they didn't throw the kitchen sink at him.
Steelers versus patriots? Brady and Belichik have run their course. Football is a young mans game. Brady's mind and body are not what you think they are. He's done. Stick a fork in him.
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Considering Ghoolie and boo are the same person, the hotel room would consist of Ghoolie, a box of tissues, lotion and a economy sized box of boner pills.
Would you be willing to bet me your $1,000 against my $25,000? I cna call Stan and have him provide the IP locations for you.
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But....here is some speculation I heard on the radio driving back from court this afternoon: It seems that this whole thing is perhaps some kind of power struggle in the Pats:
a. BB did not really want JG traded. He saw him as perhaps the team's future....and BBs attitude has always been "get rid of someone a year early rather than a year late"...so he wanted to keep JG.
b. However....TB wanted JG outta there, because he did not want to continue to look over his shoulder, as he saw JG as a potential threat to his job.
c. Bob Kraft came in on the side of Brady, and not BB....and engineered the trade that got JG outta there, thus leaving no backup QB. though the one thing Kraft did do was to get it so that he could sign Hoyer who it was agreed would be released. TB saw Hoyer as absolutely No threat to him and was happy with that move.
d. somewhat in retaliation, BB banned Brady's workout guy that had been allowed in the locker room all these years. And now...just after the JG trade which BB didn't want...this guy gets banned?
e. It is also rumored that BB has been essentially helping both Josh McDaniels and Mike Patricia (?) get HC jobs elsewhere. He would like to see both of them get gigs elsewhere....rather than staying around...and then:
F. BB will resign as the HC of the NEP. Thus leaving that team with no BB, not McDaniels, not Patricia....no logical successor. And he will say to TB and Kraft: now go and win with your 41 year old QB and nothing else.
G. And...BB will then consider taking another HC gig....either with say the Giants, or Lions (where he did his first NFL stint...and where the GM is a long time former Patriots front office holder). Or somewhere else.
So...that is the soap opera apparently playing out in New England...
.....but, lets bring this back down to the Browns: IF BB quits the Pats....and IF he puts it out there that he is putting himself on the market for another HC gig....would you want the Browns to dump HJ in favor of BB? Would the Browns be something that BB would consider taking on? After all....his tenure as Browns HC is the biggest failure of his career......and would he want to maybe make amends...and right the wrong on that portion of his legacy?
Food for thought, no?
But....here is some speculation I heard on the radio driving back from court this afternoon: It seems that this whole thing is perhaps some kind of power struggle in the Pats:
a. BB did not really want JG traded. He saw him as perhaps the team's future....and BBs attitude has always been "get rid of someone a year early rather than a year late"...so he wanted to keep JG.
b. However....TB wanted JG outta there, because he did not want to continue to look over his shoulder, as he saw JG as a potential threat to his job.
c. Bob Kraft came in on the side of Brady, and not BB....and engineered the trade that got JG outta there, thus leaving no backup QB. though the one thing Kraft did do was to get it so that he could sign Hoyer who it was agreed would be released. TB saw Hoyer as absolutely No threat to him and was happy with that move.
d. somewhat in retaliation, BB banned Brady's workout guy that had been allowed in the locker room all these years. And now...just after the JG trade which BB didn't want...this guy gets banned?
e. It is also rumored that BB has been essentially helping both Josh McDaniels and Mike Patricia (?) get HC jobs elsewhere. He would like to see both of them get gigs elsewhere....rather than staying around...and then:
F. BB will resign as the HC of the NEP. Thus leaving that team with no BB, not McDaniels, not Patricia....no logical successor. And he will say to TB and Kraft: now go and win with your 41 year old QB and nothing else.
G. And...BB will then consider taking another HC gig....either with say the Giants, or Lions (where he did his first NFL stint...and where the GM is a long time former Patriots front office holder). Or somewhere else.
So...that is the soap opera apparently playing out in New England...
.....but, lets bring this back down to the Browns: IF BB quits the Pats....and IF he puts it out there that he is putting himself on the market for another HC gig....would you want the Browns to dump HJ in favor of BB? Would the Browns be something that BB would consider taking on? After all....his tenure as Browns HC is the biggest failure of his career......and would he want to maybe make amends...and right the wrong on that portion of his legacy?
Food for thought, no?
Just imagine this narrative. All the above is true and Belicheck leaves. He returns to Cleveland to finish what he started building a dynasty with the Browns. Now that would be some awesome twilight zone stuff.
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@boo-fagley said:
You should be a moderator here Ghoolie instead they persecute you for being a soothsayer. Its looking like you might be spot on about Brady being done.
You predicted the end a year ago. How did you know Tom?
I have to think even Ghoolie is a bit embarrassed by your continual deep throating him lol
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Considering Ghoolie and boo are the same person, the hotel room would consist of Ghoolie, a box of tissues, lotion and a economy sized box of boner pills.
Would you be willing to bet me your $1,000 against my $25,000? I cna call Stan and have him provide the IP locations for you.
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Hopefully we will see something like the Jags and Chiefs in the AFC title game....and these other boring POS teams, like Squibs and Pats can just fade away for a few decades.
Hopefully we will see something like the Jags and Chiefs in the AFC title game....and these other boring POS teams, like Squibs and Pats can just fade away for a few decades.
Oh yeah, Gip, 'cuz if there's one thing the American football audience wants is exciting Jaguars football!
Ha ha you haters are too much.
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Hopefully we will see something like the Jags and Chiefs in the AFC title game....and these other boring POS teams, like Squibs and Pats can just fade away for a few decades.
Oh yeah, Gip, 'cuz if there's one thing the American football audience wants is exciting Jaguars football!
Ha ha you haters are too much.
Oh yeah, Gip, 'cuz if there's one thing the American football audience wants is exciting Jaguars football!
Ha ha you haters are too much.
Yes...exactly. That IS what they want. It may not be what you want....but the Jags could be a newish version of the 1985 Bears or the 2000 Ravens with the way they play defense. Yes, that is what they want.
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@boo-fagley said:
Nobody will bet.
First they would have to have 1000 bucks.
Yup we is awl stoopid and don't gots no muny yup yup
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@boo-fagley said:
The man knows his football.
Nobody else has been as accurate.
I dont know Ghoolie, but nothing he has said since I have been on here has shown he certainly knows football, like the ins and outs, the game of football.
From what I have witnessed, he has shown that he can make some good predictions. Not 100%, but he has predicted some things. That is totally different than knowing football.
I'll give you an example. Someone who wins a lot of money playing fantasy football probably doesn't know a lot of the real game, but makes predictions on the stats that certain players will make.
There is a BIG difference. And that is no shot at Ghoolie or anyone else (such as the fantasy player).
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@boo-fagley said:
Off the top of my head - He nailed Phil Savage, Sashi, Lombardi. He predicted that Huey would be the worst HC in the NFL. At 1 - 31 how can you argue with him? He warned everyone about Crispy Creme Crennel and Mangini. The black Tarkenton will come to pass.
Ive lost count of all the predictions that came to fruition.
He gets about 3 out of 10 right...and brags interminably about it. Or else he says "I told you so" when it ain't really so. Or else he claims being right about some prediction that he never made at the time. E.g....you were not here for Savage and Lombardi or Crennel of Mangini....so you don't know what he predicted....other than what he told you. He takes ex post facto credit.
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@boo-fagley said:
Off the top of my head - He nailed Phil Savage, Sashi, Lombardi. He predicted that Huey would be the worst HC in the NFL. At 1 - 31 how can you argue with him? He warned everyone about Crispy Creme Crennel and Mangini. The black Tarkenton will come to pass.
Ive lost count of all the predictions that came to fruition.
Read what I wrote AGAIN. I said making predictions doesn't equate to knowing football. Not the ins and outs of football. Not schemes and when and why you run something. Coached for a LONG time and I dont know A LOT.
But predicting something doesn't mean knowledge of it, just that you can predict.
Like I said, not a shot at him, but I am sorry I take offense to someone saying because someone can make predictions that they know FOOTBALL. I dont know him, maybe he does know a lot, but nothing that he has posted on here shows that kind of knowledge.
And I don't post much, dont even read a whole lot, but SOME of the things I have seen him "predict" someone without much knowledge of football or the Browns could do.
I wish everyone did have a good knowledge of this great game. I even asked before when he was on one of these rants about knowing more than everyone to just come up with 1 simple play design and show how and why it would work, didn't hear a word. Not saying he couldn't do it, bit for someone that wants to boast about being the smartest, I would have thought he would want to prove it.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter. God bless
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@boo-fagley said:
Beside your room with naked pictures of Rosen plastered all over the walls.
LMAO
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