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  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    I completely agree with Terry Pluto about this whole mess. Stosh and Hue reported to the Haslam's independent of each other. Consensus not!

     Now it's Dorsey and Hue reporting to the Haslam's independent of each other. I hate it and it's pretty much doomed to fail from the start. The GM needs to be free to make his own decisions in order to put a football team with real talent together. But, what the heck, I'd do the same as Dorsey for 5 mil a year. 

     We're screwed again.

    We tried to tell you....

    @wargograw said:

    We tried to tell you....

    Tell us what? Haslam is an impatient meddlesome owner who doesn't know how to construct an NFL Front Office? Hires\fires the wrong guys? I'm not going to get into the relative merits of canning Sashi and keeping Hue. 

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    It's the same shyt different year. Tell me what?

    That firing everyone won't be some oasis of success.

    @wargograw said:

    That firing everyone won't be some oasis of success.

    I said numerology won't work. And you seem to have gone senile

  • @wargograw said:

    We tried to tell you....

    Tell us what? Haslam is an impatient meddlesome owner who doesn't know how to construct an NFL Front Office? Hires\fires the wrong guys? I'm not going to get into the relative merits of canning Sashi and keeping Hue. 

    @hoorta said:

    Tell us what? Haslam is an impatient meddlesome owner who doesn't know how to construct an NFL Front Office? Hires\fires the wrong guys? I'm not going to get into the relative merits of canning Sashi and keeping Hue. 

    That firing everyone wouldn’t be some oasis of success. Didn’t I just say this?

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    I said numerology won't work. And you seem to have gone senile

    And I said any replacement hires would blow and therefore firing guys (what you wanted to do) wouldn’t work. Check and check for me so far. 

  • @hoorta said:

    Tell us what? Haslam is an impatient meddlesome owner who doesn't know how to construct an NFL Front Office? Hires\fires the wrong guys? I'm not going to get into the relative merits of canning Sashi and keeping Hue. 

    That firing everyone wouldn’t be some oasis of success. Didn’t I just say this?

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    I said numerology won't work. And you seem to have gone senile

    And I said any replacement hires would blow and therefore firing guys (what you wanted to do) wouldn’t work. Check and check for me so far. 

    @wargograw said:

    That firing everyone wouldn’t be some oasis of success. Didn’t I just say this?

    And I said any replacement hires would blow and therefore firing guys (what you wanted to do) wouldn’t work. Check and check for me so far. 

    Exactly War- but they might have fired the wrong guy. Sashi made many mistakes though- starting with passing on Wentz- I could go on. It's why he got canned. 0-16, somebody walks the plank- that's just the way it is in the NFL. That's not to say Hueless the Clueless is absolved from blame for the current mess we find ourselves in. 

    I don't know how you can say- short of having a crystal ball that sees into the future- that Dorsey and Highsmith won't be an improvement over Sashi. I'm at least willing to give them a chance, will you? 

  • @hoorta said:

    Tell us what? Haslam is an impatient meddlesome owner who doesn't know how to construct an NFL Front Office? Hires\fires the wrong guys? I'm not going to get into the relative merits of canning Sashi and keeping Hue. 

    That firing everyone wouldn’t be some oasis of success. Didn’t I just say this?

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    I said numerology won't work. And you seem to have gone senile

    And I said any replacement hires would blow and therefore firing guys (what you wanted to do) wouldn’t work. Check and check for me so far. 

    @wargograw said:

    That firing everyone wouldn’t be some oasis of success. Didn’t I just say this?

    And I said any replacement hires would blow and therefore firing guys (what you wanted to do) wouldn’t work. Check and check for me so far. 

    Easy to say whith the record. They all have been bad. But you seem to like the Winless guy best with the Winless Browns. Good luck with that.

  • @wargograw said:

    That firing everyone wouldn’t be some oasis of success. Didn’t I just say this?

    And I said any replacement hires would blow and therefore firing guys (what you wanted to do) wouldn’t work. Check and check for me so far. 

    Exactly War- but they might have fired the wrong guy. Sashi made many mistakes though- starting with passing on Wentz- I could go on. It's why he got canned. 0-16, somebody walks the plank- that's just the way it is in the NFL. That's not to say Hueless the Clueless is absolved from blame for the current mess we find ourselves in. 

    I don't know how you can say- short of having a crystal ball that sees into the future- that Dorsey and Highsmith won't be an improvement over Sashi. I'm at least willing to give them a chance, will you? 

    @hoorta said:

    Exactly War- but they might have fired the wrong guy. Sashi made many mistakes though- starting with passing on Wentz- I could go on. It's why he got canned. 0-16, somebody walks the plank- that's just the way it is in the NFL. That's not to say Hueless the Clueless is absolved from blame for the current mess we find ourselves in. 

    I don't know how you can say- short of having a crystal ball that sees into the future- that Dorsey and Highsmith won't be an improvement over Sashi. I'm at least willing to give them a chance, will you? 

    Hue's replacement wouldn't be any good either. It's a pontless endeavor. You have to build the team in the same system over several years.

  • @hoorta said:

    Exactly War- but they might have fired the wrong guy. Sashi made many mistakes though- starting with passing on Wentz- I could go on. It's why he got canned. 0-16, somebody walks the plank- that's just the way it is in the NFL. That's not to say Hueless the Clueless is absolved from blame for the current mess we find ourselves in. 

    I don't know how you can say- short of having a crystal ball that sees into the future- that Dorsey and Highsmith won't be an improvement over Sashi. I'm at least willing to give them a chance, will you? 

    Hue's replacement wouldn't be any good either. It's a pontless endeavor. You have to build the team in the same system over several years.

    @wargograw said:

    Hue's replacement wouldn't be any good either. It's a pontless endeavor. You have to build the team in the same system over several years.

    When Sashi gets a new GM gig, feel free to go root for that team...

    Oh... wait...

  • @hoorta said:

    Exactly War- but they might have fired the wrong guy. Sashi made many mistakes though- starting with passing on Wentz- I could go on. It's why he got canned. 0-16, somebody walks the plank- that's just the way it is in the NFL. That's not to say Hueless the Clueless is absolved from blame for the current mess we find ourselves in. 

    I don't know how you can say- short of having a crystal ball that sees into the future- that Dorsey and Highsmith won't be an improvement over Sashi. I'm at least willing to give them a chance, will you? 

    Hue's replacement wouldn't be any good either. It's a pontless endeavor. You have to build the team in the same system over several years.

    @wargograw said:

    Hue's replacement wouldn't be any good either. It's a pontless endeavor. You have to build the team in the same system over several years.

    Nope, it's as simple as finding the right guy. Happens all the time.

  • I assume that this thread is the thread to do updating on the coaching jobs in the NFL.

    It was announced today that Pat's DC Matt Patricia will become the HC of the Detroit Lions...when the Pats playoff run is done.

  • I assume that this thread is the thread to do updating on the coaching jobs in the NFL.

    It was announced today that Pat's DC Matt Patricia will become the HC of the Detroit Lions...when the Pats playoff run is done.

    @the-gipper said:

    I assume that this thread is the thread to do updating on the coaching jobs in the NFL.

    It was announced today that Pat's DC Matt Patricia will become the HC of the Detroit Lions...when the Pats playoff run is done.

    The Lions are going to the same Patriots coaching well that gave us Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Josh McDaniels, et al.

    Godspeed, Detroit Lions.

  • I assume that this thread is the thread to do updating on the coaching jobs in the NFL.

    It was announced today that Pat's DC Matt Patricia will become the HC of the Detroit Lions...when the Pats playoff run is done.

    @the-gipper said:

    I assume that this thread is the thread to do updating on the coaching jobs in the NFL.

    It was announced today that Pat's DC Matt Patricia will become the HC of the Detroit Lions...when the Pats playoff run is done.

    If they announce something similar about McDanields, it could mean that Belichick is retiring. I can't see him staying in the Pats and losing two main coaches of his personnel. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    I assume that this thread is the thread to do updating on the coaching jobs in the NFL.

    It was announced today that Pat's DC Matt Patricia will become the HC of the Detroit Lions...when the Pats playoff run is done.

    If they announce something similar about McDanields, it could mean that Belichick is retiring. I can't see him staying in the Pats and losing two main coaches of his personnel. 

    @nero said:

    If they announce something similar about McDanields, it could mean that Belichick is retiring. I can't see him staying in the Pats and losing two main coaches of his personnel. 

    I want the Patriots to stay together just long enough to keep the Steelers and Roethlisberger from ever winning another Super Bowl.

    When Big Ben retires, the Pats can then break up the dynasty! 😆

  • @wargograw said:

    Hue's replacement wouldn't be any good either. It's a pontless endeavor. You have to build the team in the same system over several years.

    When Sashi gets a new GM gig, feel free to go root for that team...

    Oh... wait...

    @dutch-oven said:

    When Sashi gets a new GM gig, feel free to go root for that team...

    Oh... wait...

    I'll stick with the Browns, and the Browns will keep sucking. But at least they have a football guy. You, on the other hand, could go live in another country though....

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Nope, it's as simple as finding the right guy. Happens all the time.

    Until Mr. "Right Guy" gets fired 3 years later. Yeah, the NFL is just teeming with long-tenured head coaches because those organizations just found the "right guy."

    No, they're run well and they're talented, so a halfway decent coach can walk in and win some games. We can never have that because we scrap the players every two years. And why do we do that? Because we scrap the GM and HC every two years. 

    But hey, at some point it'll click. Maybe attempt #9 or whatever we're on will be the charm.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    When Sashi gets a new GM gig, feel free to go root for that team...

    Oh... wait...

    I'll stick with the Browns, and the Browns will keep sucking. But at least they have a football guy. You, on the other hand, could go live in another country though....

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Nope, it's as simple as finding the right guy. Happens all the time.

    Until Mr. "Right Guy" gets fired 3 years later. Yeah, the NFL is just teeming with long-tenured head coaches because those organizations just found the "right guy."

    No, they're run well and they're talented, so a halfway decent coach can walk in and win some games. We can never have that because we scrap the players every two years. And why do we do that? Because we scrap the GM and HC every two years. 

    But hey, at some point it'll click. Maybe attempt #9 or whatever we're on will be the charm.

    @wargograw said:

    I'll stick with the Browns, and the Browns will keep sucking. But at least they have a football guy. You, on the other hand, could go live in another country though....

    Man, when you go off the rails, YOU GO OFF THE RAILS.

    Next you'll compare Sashi getting fired to the Holocaust.

  • @wargograw said:

    I'll stick with the Browns, and the Browns will keep sucking. But at least they have a football guy. You, on the other hand, could go live in another country though....

    Man, when you go off the rails, YOU GO OFF THE RAILS.

    Next you'll compare Sashi getting fired to the Holocaust.

    @dutch-oven said:

    Man, when you go off the rails, YOU GO OFF THE RAILS.

    Next you'll compare Sashi getting fired to the Holocaust.

    Yeah it's kinda like you telling me to go root for another team because I'm dissatisfied with the moves of this one, while you've spent months saying people's dissatisfaction is a-ok. Hypocrite. You are really bad at defending yourself intellectually. I'd take up something else. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Man, when you go off the rails, YOU GO OFF THE RAILS.

    Next you'll compare Sashi getting fired to the Holocaust.

    Yeah it's kinda like you telling me to go root for another team because I'm dissatisfied with the moves of this one, while you've spent months saying people's dissatisfaction is a-ok. Hypocrite. You are really bad at defending yourself intellectually. I'd take up something else. 

    @wargograw said:

    Yeah it's kinda like you telling me to go root for another team because I'm dissatisfied with the moves of this one, while you've spent months saying people's dissatisfaction is a-ok. Hypocrite. You are really bad at defending yourself intellectually. I'd take up something else. 

    You came here with Johnny, he signed in Canada now. Hamilton Tiger cats. Go there and take hue with you

  • @the-gipper said:

    I assume that this thread is the thread to do updating on the coaching jobs in the NFL.

    It was announced today that Pat's DC Matt Patricia will become the HC of the Detroit Lions...when the Pats playoff run is done.

    If they announce something similar about McDanields, it could mean that Belichick is retiring. I can't see him staying in the Pats and losing two main coaches of his personnel. 

    @nero said:

    If they announce something similar about McDanields, it could mean that Belichick is retiring. I can't see him staying in the Pats and losing two main coaches of his personnel. 

    I have been under the impression all along that BB basically has wanted McDaniels to succeed him as HC of the Pats.   What BB really wanted likely was for McDaniels and Garropolo to carry on where he and Brady left off......because BB wanted that to be his legacy.  Now, perhaps, he doesn't care about leaving any legacy  with the Pats...if he thinks he has been screwed over by Kraft and Brady.

    He may in fact be trying to see to it that McDaniels...like Patricia, gets an HC job elsewhere.....and then he leaves the Pats high and dry by retiring....or by trying to get the NYGiants gig for himself.

    McDaniels name is being touted heavily as the Bears HC.   Which would be a bit ironic....as it was John Fox who replaced him in Denver...and he could replace Fox in Chicago.  McDaniels would then work with Trubisky.

  • @nero said:

    If they announce something similar about McDanields, it could mean that Belichick is retiring. I can't see him staying in the Pats and losing two main coaches of his personnel. 

    I have been under the impression all along that BB basically has wanted McDaniels to succeed him as HC of the Pats.   What BB really wanted likely was for McDaniels and Garropolo to carry on where he and Brady left off......because BB wanted that to be his legacy.  Now, perhaps, he doesn't care about leaving any legacy  with the Pats...if he thinks he has been screwed over by Kraft and Brady.

    He may in fact be trying to see to it that McDaniels...like Patricia, gets an HC job elsewhere.....and then he leaves the Pats high and dry by retiring....or by trying to get the NYGiants gig for himself.

    McDaniels name is being touted heavily as the Bears HC.   Which would be a bit ironic....as it was John Fox who replaced him in Denver...and he could replace Fox in Chicago.  McDaniels would then work with Trubisky.

    Niw we have to suffer 7 years before a change? Oy vey...

    @the-gipper said:

    McDaniels name is being touted heavily as the Bears HC.  

    Bears announced KC's OC Matt Nagy as their new HC about the same time you posted this.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I assume that this thread is the thread to do updating on the coaching jobs in the NFL.

    It was announced today that Pat's DC Matt Patricia will become the HC of the Detroit Lions...when the Pats playoff run is done.

    The Lions are going to the same Patriots coaching well that gave us Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Josh McDaniels, et al.

    Godspeed, Detroit Lions.

    @dutch-oven said:

    The Lions are going to the same Patriots coaching well that gave us Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Josh McDaniels, et al.

    Godspeed, Detroit Lions.

    Yeah... those branches have not borne much fruit. Great assistants... not so much HCs.

  • Niw we have to suffer 7 years before a change? Oy vey...

    @the-gipper said:

    McDaniels name is being touted heavily as the Bears HC.  

    Bears announced KC's OC Matt Nagy as their new HC about the same time you posted this.

    @tour2ma said:

    Niw we have to suffer 7 years before a change? Oy vey...

    Bears announced KC's OC Matt Nagy as their new HC about the same time you posted this.

    Alrighty then?    Where, if anywhere, does McDaniels land?  Or does he stay put?