Alex smith
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After watching the Jags- Bills game please scratch Bortles and Taylor off as QBs you want to see on the Browns....
Bortles and Taylor aren't on my list...
I'd give KC the 2nd rounder we got from the Eagles and the 5th rounder of theirs we have IF it's a sign and trade involving at least a 2 year extension.
I understand the thoughts of QB's not wanting to come here. I truly think we have the ability to promise them a very high powered group of offensive weapons. We will be VERY active in free agency and have draft picks to control the draft.
Price is about right, but I would not hold out for the extension. A second year is guaranteed via the tag.
As for FA recruiting... you can't get specific with your draft or FA plans in your recruiting, so what credibility do you have?
Bortles and Taylor aren't on my list...
Price is about right, but I would not hold out for the extension. A second year is guaranteed via the tag.
As for FA recruiting... you can't get specific with your draft or FA plans in your recruiting, so what credibility do you have?
Agree on the extension. I almost edited my original post to say as much. I think you can dangle the exorbitant cap space and damn near historical draft firepower as a commitment to give the vet QB confidence in a supporting group of players. Hell if he has a FA target in mind let him recruit
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I know you didn't say it verbatim....I was interpreting it. But it IS what you said ex post facto....so I know your mind before you do.
Here is what I say directly. YES if he plays to the level of a winning season and you have to tag him to keep him then you tag him. It's plain and simple spend money and win football games. My head as a fan, my wallet as a PSL season ticket holder, the front office, coaches, most of the players and majority of fans understand WE NEED TO ACCUMULATE WINS. If we have to pay Alex Smith $26 million for a season or two to make that happen write the damn checks. When your QB of the future is ready to win it's a different story.
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Why on earth would Alex Smith want to come and be the Browns QB? Or Cousins for that matter? Teams won't even TRADE their QB to us because they don't want to punish them THAT bad.
Smith would be acquired via trade, as he is not a free agent. I don't care what it would cost to sign Cousins - it's not my money, and the Browns have a ton of it.
Continuing to repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome is the definition of insanity. This applies to the Browns expectation that they can find a franchise quarterback in the draft. After nearly 20 years of failed attempts the cycle of insanity has to stop.
Regarding the perception of players' lack of interest to come to Cleveland, that's a self-fulfilling prophesy. Thankfully you're not in the front office.
Continuing to repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome is the definition of insanity. This applies to the Browns expectation that they can find a franchise quarterback in the draft. After nearly 20 years of failed attempts the cycle of insanity has to stop.
I'm a niners fan that "followed" Smith to KC. KC fans are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum. Patrick Mahomes week 17 win in a meaningless game was the first win by a KC drafted QB in 2000 years or something. They (fans) desperately want to see what their shiny new toy can do and I'm sure that is putting a fair amount of pressure on the KC FO to go with the young gun. I strongly believe Smith has seen his last snap in a KC uni.
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Continuing to repeat the same thing and expect a different outcome is the definition of insanity. This applies to the Browns expectation that they can find a franchise quarterback in the draft. After nearly 20 years of failed attempts the cycle of insanity has to stop.
I'm a niners fan that "followed" Smith to KC. KC fans are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum. Patrick Mahomes week 17 win in a meaningless game was the first win by a KC drafted QB in 2000 years or something. They (fans) desperately want to see what their shiny new toy can do and I'm sure that is putting a fair amount of pressure on the KC FO to go with the young gun. I strongly believe Smith has seen his last snap in a KC uni.
They (fans) desperately want to see what their shiny new toy can do and I'm sure that is putting a fair amount of pressure on the KC FO to go with the young gun. I strongly believe Smith has seen his last snap in a KC uni.
So we sweeten the pot & give KC what most can't..Josh Gordon,Terek Hill, Kelsey..shiney new toy boy needs a weapon 60 yards down field. both contracts would expire after next season.. Gordon makes nothing but just over a million..we can't name a Jags WR they would part with..Go Bull Dawgs!!
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They (fans) desperately want to see what their shiny new toy can do and I'm sure that is putting a fair amount of pressure on the KC FO to go with the young gun. I strongly believe Smith has seen his last snap in a KC uni.
So we sweeten the pot & give KC what most can't..Josh Gordon,Terek Hill, Kelsey..shiney new toy boy needs a weapon 60 yards down field. both contracts would expire after next season.. Gordon makes nothing but just over a million..we can't name a Jags WR they would part with..Go Bull Dawgs!!
So we sweeten the pot & give KC what most can't..Josh Gordon,Terek Hill, Kelsey..shiney new toy boy needs a weapon 60 yards down field. both contracts would expire after next season.. Gordon makes nothing but just over a million..we can't name a Jags WR they would part with..Go Bull Dawgs!!
Short and sweet HELL NO.
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Personally I don't see Smith or Cousins as the kind of transcendent quarterback that pulls their team across the finish line. I think they are guys who will do alright if the team is performing at a high level. Probably a step ahead of some of the others being mentioned here, the bums, but nobody that I would expect to be the wise old Mentor to our quarterback of the future. I'm a little bit more intrigued by McCarran just because it seems that's the guy coach Jackson really wants.
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Personally I don't see Smith or Cousins as the kind of transcendent quarterback that pulls their team across the finish line. I think they are guys who will do alright if the team is performing at a high level. Probably a step ahead of some of the others being mentioned here, the bums, but nobody that I would expect to be the wise old Mentor to our quarterback of the future. I'm a little bit more intrigued by McCarran just because it seems that's the guy coach Jackson really wants.
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I'm a little bit more intrigued by McCarran just because it seems that's the guy coach Jackson really wants.
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And that makes me have the exact opposite reaction because Mr. "Trust me" likes him.
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Personally I don't see Smith or Cousins as the kind of transcendent quarterback that pulls their team across the finish line. I think they are guys who will do alright if the team is performing at a high level. Probably a step ahead of some of the others being mentioned here, the bums, but nobody that I would expect to be the wise old Mentor to our quarterback of the future. I'm a little bit more intrigued by McCarran just because it seems that's the guy coach Jackson really wants.
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Personally I don't see Smith or Cousins as the kind of transcendent quarterback that pulls their team across the finish line. I think they are guys who will do alright if the team is performing at a high level. Probably a step ahead of some of the others being mentioned here, the bums, but nobody that I would expect to be the wise old Mentor to our quarterback of the future. I'm a little bit more intrigued by McCarran just because it seems that's the guy coach Jackson really wants.
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Hue also wanted RG III and Kessler Steve. Be afraid, very afraid. I don't trust Hue's QB judgement any farther than I could throw him- except into the Lake.
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My first post on the thread:
- First of all, I think what Browns can give KC is way more than other teams. We have a lot of draft picks AND we are not a rival. We went 0-16 and they won their division, we are not a serious threat.
If you are going to go with a 2nd year rookie with only one start, you don't want to take the risk of trading your veteran QB to any of your rivals in the playoffs and 'help' them. Because if your rookie QB has a worse season than your veteran, everyone is going to draw comparisons. Moreover, the QB position hasn't been the main problem for KC this year, their defense has been way worse than last year, mostly against the run.
- Second: we are looking for a solution for the QB position. The team still has many holes, either on skill players (WR, CB) or depth (DL, LB). Smith is a good QB, not amazing but incredibly reliable: Few INTs, gets first downs with his feet, can scramble. We lost some of this year games only because of turnovers, so that's already an improvement. If he becomes a long term solution, great, if he is a bridge QB for the QB we draft this year, even better.
- We are drafting a QB. You cannot pass on one of the best drafts QBwise in years simply because you got a FA. Don't take the chances and go both FA and draft.
- I don't think Alex Smith's style matches with Hue's deep offense. I think someone already said that. And I don't see our magnificent coach adapting his offensive schemes to anyone. He hasn't even with a struggling rookie QB.
- We should sign at least a FA WR before we negotiate with Alex Smith. I don't know how is his relationship with the KC front office, but probably they don't want to do any bad to him and investing in weapons that he could use would help our case and make our offer more attractive.
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Personally I don't see Smith or Cousins as the kind of transcendent quarterback that pulls their team across the finish line. I think they are guys who will do alright if the team is performing at a high level. Probably a step ahead of some of the others being mentioned here, the bums, but nobody that I would expect to be the wise old Mentor to our quarterback of the future. I'm a little bit more intrigued by McCarran just because it seems that's the guy coach Jackson really wants.
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Hue also wanted RG III and Kessler Steve. Be afraid, very afraid. I don't trust Hue's QB judgement any farther than I could throw him- except into the Lake.
Hue also wanted RG III and Kessler Steve. Be afraid, very afraid. I don't trust Hue's QB judgement any farther than I could throw him- except into the Lake.
I didn't like RG3 because I thought he had a shity attitude. When it became apparent he'd gotten over that I was in his corner. One of the most talented quarterbacks for a long time and I was looking forward to him making a turn around. Cody Kessler was never expected to be the savior.
But I'm just as happy with AJ, which ain't much, has any of these other bums you guys were talking about. Especially Taylor and more especially Kaepernick.
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Personally I don't see Smith or Cousins as the kind of transcendent quarterback that pulls their team across the finish line. I think they are guys who will do alright if the team is performing at a high level. Probably a step ahead of some of the others being mentioned here, the bums, but nobody that I would expect to be the wise old Mentor to our quarterback of the future. I'm a little bit more intrigued by McCarran just because it seems that's the guy coach Jackson really wants.
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Personally I don't see Smith or Cousins as the kind of transcendent quarterback that pulls their team across the finish line. I think they are guys who will do alright if the team is performing at a high level. Probably a step ahead of some of the others being mentioned here, the bums, but nobody that I would expect to be the wise old Mentor to our quarterback of the future. I'm a little bit more intrigued by McCarran just because it seems that's the guy coach Jackson really wants.
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Well....I think Smith would be the "wise old mentor"....or more specifically...the "Bridge QB"....to play a year while the new highly drafted QB sits and learns. (Which is what should have happened this year with either McCown or even Osweiler).
Cousins...no. He would be the guy you would expect to come in and start the next 8 years. He is like at least 8-9 years younger than Smith.
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Personally I don't see Smith or Cousins as the kind of transcendent quarterback that pulls their team across the finish line. I think they are guys who will do alright if the team is performing at a high level. Probably a step ahead of some of the others being mentioned here, the bums, but nobody that I would expect to be the wise old Mentor to our quarterback of the future. I'm a little bit more intrigued by McCarran just because it seems that's the guy coach Jackson really wants.
WSS
Well....I think Smith would be the "wise old mentor"....or more specifically...the "Bridge QB"....to play a year while the new highly drafted QB sits and learns. (Which is what should have happened this year with either McCown or even Osweiler).
Cousins...no. He would be the guy you would expect to come in and start the next 8 years. He is like at least 8-9 years younger than Smith.
Well....I think Smith would be the "wise old mentor"....or more specifically...the "Bridge QB"....to play a year while the new highly drafted QB sits and learns. (Which is what should have happened this year with either McCown or even Osweiler).
Cousins...no. He would be the guy you would expect to come in and start the next 8 years. He is like at least 8-9 years younger than Smith.
Actually not Gip. Smith is 34 this year, Cousins 30. My issue is even if the Browns threw the $150 million at him (that Kirk won't take from Cleveland- he's going to chase a ring) he'd be Smith's age by the time the Browns get to that level.
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Well....I think Smith would be the "wise old mentor"....or more specifically...the "Bridge QB"....to play a year while the new highly drafted QB sits and learns. (Which is what should have happened this year with either McCown or even Osweiler).
Cousins...no. He would be the guy you would expect to come in and start the next 8 years. He is like at least 8-9 years younger than Smith.
Actually not Gip. Smith is 34 this year, Cousins 30. My issue is even if the Browns threw the $150 million at him (that Kirk won't take from Cleveland- he's going to chase a ring) he'd be Smith's age by the time the Browns get to that level.
Actually not Gip. Smith is 34 this year, Cousins 30. My issue is even if the Browns threw the $150 million at him (that Kirk won't take from Cleveland- he's going to chase a ring) he'd be Smith's age by the time the Browns get to that level.
I didn't think Cousins was that old. I thought he would only be like 27 or 28. He was drafted in 2012 no? Only 5 years ago from last season. I assumed he would have been like 22 or 23 when he came out. He must have actually been a bit older than average when he was drafted. Not Brandon Weeden old...but old.
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But it IS what you said ex post facto....so I know your mind before you do.
Not even close, Gip.
My original comment was that the tag was always there to fall back upon.
Your original interpretation was to just go to the tag.
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Actually not Gip. Smith is 34 this year, Cousins 30. My issue is even if the Browns threw the $150 million at him (that Kirk won't take from Cleveland- he's going to chase a ring) he'd be Smith's age by the time the Browns get to that level.
I didn't think Cousins was that old. I thought he would only be like 27 or 28. He was drafted in 2012 no? Only 5 years ago from last season. I assumed he would have been like 22 or 23 when he came out. He must have actually been a bit older than average when he was drafted. Not Brandon Weeden old...but old.
I didn't think Cousins was that old. I thought he would only be like 27 or 28. He was drafted in 2012 no? Only 5 years ago from last season. I assumed he would have been like 22 or 23 when he came out. He must have actually been a bit older than average when he was drafted. Not Brandon Weeden old...but old.
Google can be your friend. Turns 30 just before 2018 season and drafted in 2012 as you thought.
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But it IS what you said ex post facto....so I know your mind before you do.
Not even close, Gip.
My original comment was that the tag was always there to fall back upon.
Your original interpretation was to just go to the tag.
Not even close, Gip.
My original comment was that the tag was always there to fall back upon.
Your original interpretation was to just go to the tag.
Well....not much difference really. I guess you meant to say "sign him long term, then you don't have to apply the franchise tag"..without actually saying that. Of course, again, you left blanks in your comments such that you ask us to try to interpret what you mean. And you get cranky when we don't read your mind right. I mean, honestly, you are like a woman with that. You expect us to know what you are thinking even though you don't say what you are thinking. Are you sure you're not a chick? Better do a trouser check.
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I didn't think Cousins was that old. I thought he would only be like 27 or 28. He was drafted in 2012 no? Only 5 years ago from last season. I assumed he would have been like 22 or 23 when he came out. He must have actually been a bit older than average when he was drafted. Not Brandon Weeden old...but old.
Google can be your friend. Turns 30 just before 2018 season and drafted in 2012 as you thought.
Google can be your friend. Turns 30 just before 2018 season and drafted in 2012 as you thought.
I guess this coming year will actually be his 7th season in the league: drafted 2012...so...2012/13/14/15/16/17/18
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Google can be your friend. Turns 30 just before 2018 season and drafted in 2012 as you thought.
I guess this coming year will actually be his 7th season in the league: drafted 2012...so...2012/13/14/15/16/17/18
I guess this coming year will actually be his 7th season in the league: drafted 2012...so...2012/13/14/15/16/17/18
& that's why he (Cousins) is going to want to go to a team with SB aspirations (Jags, Broncos) instead of the dumpster fire the Browns have been over the last two years.
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Not even close, Gip.
My original comment was that the tag was always there to fall back upon.
Your original interpretation was to just go to the tag.
Well....not much difference really. I guess you meant to say "sign him long term, then you don't have to apply the franchise tag"..without actually saying that. Of course, again, you left blanks in your comments such that you ask us to try to interpret what you mean. And you get cranky when we don't read your mind right. I mean, honestly, you are like a woman with that. You expect us to know what you are thinking even though you don't say what you are thinking. Are you sure you're not a chick? Better do a trouser check.
Well....not much difference really.
lol... sure.
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Does anyone have any clue what it would take to trade for Alex Smith? I know at one point people wanted to wait for him to be released, that way he costs only money and not draft picks, but waiting for a release would probably guarantee that he signs with a team who WASN'T 0-16. You can bet your paycheck Arizona is going to be ALL over Smith as well, so I'm guessing the price for his services is going to be pretty high...but how high?
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