Why not Minkah at #1
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Isn't CBS the big board that has Mason Rudolph as it's #1 QB?
It is. I believe they take a consensus from their writers and assign a grading scale. At least, they used to.
FWIW, I also think Derwin will be a better NFL safety than Minkah as well.
It is. I believe they take a consensus from their writers and assign a grading scale. At least, they used to.
FWIW, I also think Derwin will be a better NFL safety than Minkah as well.
And why? Enlighten us.
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It is. I believe they take a consensus from their writers and assign a grading scale. At least, they used to.
FWIW, I also think Derwin will be a better NFL safety than Minkah as well.
There is a factor that Fitz has over just about any other defender in that he served as Saban's defensive QB on the field. Very smart and excellent at calling out the defenses based on formations studied on tape. Now if Fitz is gone by #4 and James is still there, I'd take him in a heartbeat and convert him from SS to FS. Move Peppers to his more natural position.
There is a factor that Fitz has over just about any other defender in that he served as Saban's defensive QB on the field. Very smart and excellent at calling out the defenses based on formations studied on tape. Now if Fitz is gone by #4 and James is still there, I'd take him in a heartbeat and convert him from SS to FS. Move Peppers to his more natural position.
I see Minkah listed primarily as a FS. I see James listed primarily as a SS. What is Peppers supposed to be playing besides Left Out? I take it you see him at the SS spot...which you say is more natural for him?
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There is a factor that Fitz has over just about any other defender in that he served as Saban's defensive QB on the field. Very smart and excellent at calling out the defenses based on formations studied on tape. Now if Fitz is gone by #4 and James is still there, I'd take him in a heartbeat and convert him from SS to FS. Move Peppers to his more natural position.
I see Minkah listed primarily as a FS. I see James listed primarily as a SS. What is Peppers supposed to be playing besides Left Out? I take it you see him at the SS spot...which you say is more natural for him?
I see Minkah listed primarily as a FS. I see James listed primarily as a SS. What is Peppers supposed to be playing besides Left Out? I take it you see him at the SS spot...which you say is more natural for him?
I believe he would be better there that whatever that center field position is he can't do. He was better closer to the LOS in college, not some mysterious position near Pluto.
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I see Minkah listed primarily as a FS. I see James listed primarily as a SS. What is Peppers supposed to be playing besides Left Out? I take it you see him at the SS spot...which you say is more natural for him?
I believe he would be better there that whatever that center field position is he can't do. He was better closer to the LOS in college, not some mysterious position near Pluto.
I believe he would be better there that whatever that center field position is he can't do. He was better closer to the LOS in college, not some mysterious position near Pluto.
Pluto and Peppers both diminished because of their position? Pluto no longer a planet....now classified as a "dwarf planet". Peppers no longer a functioning member of the defense? Just a "dwarf defensive back"?
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I believe he would be better there that whatever that center field position is he can't do. He was better closer to the LOS in college, not some mysterious position near Pluto.
Pluto and Peppers both diminished because of their position? Pluto no longer a planet....now classified as a "dwarf planet". Peppers no longer a functioning member of the defense? Just a "dwarf defensive back"?
Pluto and Peppers both diminished because of their position? Pluto no longer a planet....now classified as a "dwarf planet". Peppers no longer a functioning member of the defense? Just a "dwarf defensive back"?
Well it is some kind of fairy tale position so there's that! Cleveland Browns and the One Dwarf? Maybe Woody can give him a kiss and he turns into a Prince of Player.
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I'm sorry Gip, but if the Browns get cute and skip QB with their 1st pick again I'm going to officially go oobatz.
Totally on the Fitzpatrick bandwagon though.
Yea? Which QB? Like I am saying...it seems by all accounts that Minkah is head and shoulders above any one else that plays that position...and head and shoulders above any of the QBs.
We have the luxury of getting him...and getting maybe the best QB out of the bunch...and it is a bunch....
I know Tour is on Rosen's knob. I know Cal is on Allen's knob. I know some are on Mayfield's knob...and perhaps some are on Darnold's knob.
There is NO consensus #1 QB. Minkah IS fairly well the consensus #1 DB. Though he is not the consensus #1 pick. A lot put Chubb of NC State on there....but no one would predict we would take him due to us having taken Garrett last year at the same position. And no one projects Minkah at #1 because no DB has ever gone #1.
I guess I may be OK with this: We take whatever from the grab bag of QBs at #1.....as long as we know also that the Giants are going to also grab in that same QB bag...and that the Colts are not going to go for Minkah...so we can get him at #4. We have to see what their needs are.
In theory I guess we could do this:
Take a QB at #1. Trade our #4 to the Giants at #2 and take Minkah .....as long as the Giants are secure in believing that the Colts will not take a QB...or trade down to let someone else who is QB needy trade up to get the one they want.
Yea? Which QB? Like I am saying...it seems by all accounts that Minkah is head and shoulders above any one else that plays that position...and head and shoulders above any of the QBs.
We have the luxury of getting him...and getting maybe the best QB out of the bunch...and it is a bunch....
I know Tour is on Rosen's knob. I know Cal is on Allen's knob. I know some are on Mayfield's knob...and perhaps some are on Darnold's knob.
There is NO consensus #1 QB. Minkah IS fairly well the consensus #1 DB. Though he is not the consensus #1 pick. A lot put Chubb of NC State on there....but no one would predict we would take him due to us having taken Garrett last year at the same position. And no one projects Minkah at #1 because no DB has ever gone #1.
I guess I may be OK with this: We take whatever from the grab bag of QBs at #1.....as long as we know also that the Giants are going to also grab in that same QB bag...and that the Colts are not going to go for Minkah...so we can get him at #4. We have to see what their needs are.
In theory I guess we could do this:
Take a QB at #1. Trade our #4 to the Giants at #2 and take Minkah .....as long as the Giants are secure in believing that the Colts will not take a QB...or trade down to let someone else who is QB needy trade up to get the one they want.
A little late to this thread Gip but- as was pointed out- if we pass on a QB @ #1, totally possible the Colts flip picks with the Broncos- then we're stuck with the #3 QB. You better hope Baker Mayfield turns out to be a stud.... BTW, I'll double the bet on the Maya Margaritas that Fitzpatrick doesn't go #1 overall- it's never happened, and it's not happening now. You know the drill on most valuable to a team by position. Quarterback trumps everything else, pass rush DE, then left tackle. Cornerback comes in at #4. You don't draft Fitz #1 overall even if you think he's got GOAT potential. We had Minnifield\Dixon and never made it to the big dance.
Walter #2 & 5, even the BROWNS bypassing taking a QB......just sayin.
I commented on Walter's site that he's freaking lost his mind if he's projecting the Browns aren't taking a qb at all in 2018. Regardless if they get Cousins or Smith.
I was not talking about that. I did say that it may be possible that we could get one in round 2 that could be every bit as good as the guys that might go in round one.....given the melange of talent at the position...but I was not talking about doing that.
Glad you're not talking about that Gip. Could be? Sure, anything's possible- not likely though. Or are you dismissing Nero's stat your odds of finding your starting QB are twice as good in the first round as oppose to lower?
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You draft a QB. Why? Because how many points did Garrett score this year?
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Pluto and Peppers both diminished because of their position? Pluto no longer a planet....now classified as a "dwarf planet". Peppers no longer a functioning member of the defense? Just a "dwarf defensive back"?
Well it is some kind of fairy tale position so there's that! Cleveland Browns and the One Dwarf? Maybe Woody can give him a kiss and he turns into a Prince of Player.
Well it is some kind of fairy tale position so there's that! Cleveland Browns and the One Dwarf? Maybe Woody can give him a kiss and he turns into a Prince of Player.
Are you calling Woody a Princess?
If the shoe fits.
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Yea? Which QB? Like I am saying...it seems by all accounts that Minkah is head and shoulders above any one else that plays that position...and head and shoulders above any of the QBs.
We have the luxury of getting him...and getting maybe the best QB out of the bunch...and it is a bunch....
I know Tour is on Rosen's knob. I know Cal is on Allen's knob. I know some are on Mayfield's knob...and perhaps some are on Darnold's knob.
There is NO consensus #1 QB. Minkah IS fairly well the consensus #1 DB. Though he is not the consensus #1 pick. A lot put Chubb of NC State on there....but no one would predict we would take him due to us having taken Garrett last year at the same position. And no one projects Minkah at #1 because no DB has ever gone #1.
I guess I may be OK with this: We take whatever from the grab bag of QBs at #1.....as long as we know also that the Giants are going to also grab in that same QB bag...and that the Colts are not going to go for Minkah...so we can get him at #4. We have to see what their needs are.
In theory I guess we could do this:
Take a QB at #1. Trade our #4 to the Giants at #2 and take Minkah .....as long as the Giants are secure in believing that the Colts will not take a QB...or trade down to let someone else who is QB needy trade up to get the one they want.
A little late to this thread Gip but- as was pointed out- if we pass on a QB @ #1, totally possible the Colts flip picks with the Broncos- then we're stuck with the #3 QB. You better hope Baker Mayfield turns out to be a stud.... BTW, I'll double the bet on the Maya Margaritas that Fitzpatrick doesn't go #1 overall- it's never happened, and it's not happening now. You know the drill on most valuable to a team by position. Quarterback trumps everything else, pass rush DE, then left tackle. Cornerback comes in at #4. You don't draft Fitz #1 overall even if you think he's got GOAT potential. We had Minnifield\Dixon and never made it to the big dance.
Walter #2 & 5, even the BROWNS bypassing taking a QB......just sayin.
I commented on Walter's site that he's freaking lost his mind if he's projecting the Browns aren't taking a qb at all in 2018. Regardless if they get Cousins or Smith.
I was not talking about that. I did say that it may be possible that we could get one in round 2 that could be every bit as good as the guys that might go in round one.....given the melange of talent at the position...but I was not talking about doing that.
Glad you're not talking about that Gip. Could be? Sure, anything's possible- not likely though. Or are you dismissing Nero's stat your odds of finding your starting QB are twice as good in the first round as oppose to lower?
A little late to this thread Gip but- as was pointed out- if we pass on a QB @ #1, totally possible the Colts flip picks with the Broncos- then we're stuck with the #3 QB. You better hope Baker Mayfield turns out to be a stud.... BTW, I'll double the bet on the Maya Margaritas that Fitzpatrick doesn't go #1 overall- it's never happened, and it's not happening now. You know the drill on most valuable to a team by position. Quarterback trumps everything else, pass rush DE, then left tackle. Cornerback comes in at #4. You don't draft Fitz #1 overall even if you think he's got GOAT potential. We had Minnifield\Dixon and never made it to the big dance.
First off...it is Stan that owes me the pitcher of Margaritas...and I have yet to collect now like 8 months later. And no...I would never bet that a DB would be taken #1 overall...even if in theory the talent would warrant it.
As for the QBs...you tell me which one of these are the studs? Which one is deserving of the #1 pick? As I see it...there are like 5 of them in contention....and except for the people that are on one or the others of their knobs...I discern no true outstanding worthy candidate.
I commented on Walter's site that he's freaking lost his mind if he's projecting the Browns aren't taking a qb at all in 2018. Regardless if they get Cousins or Smith.
Glad you're not talking about that Gip. Could be? Sure, anything's possible- not likely though. Or are you dismissing Nero's stat your odds of finding your starting QB are twice as good in the first round as oppose to lower?
No...I am only saying that this year....how can you tell if one of them is #1 worthy....and how he may be better than the #5-6 guy.
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Different point of view Gip. I have three QBs worthy of the #1 overall. Put their names in a hat and pick one.
One will eventually rise to the top, and we'll hitch our wagon to him. Not even combine and workout time yet.
BTW, Senior Bowl. Mayfield, Allen, Rudolph. Tune in.
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Different point of view Gip. I have three QBs worthy of the #1 overall. Put their names in a hat and pick one.
One will eventually rise to the top, and we'll hitch our wagon to him. Not even combine and workout time yet.
BTW, Senior Bowl. Mayfield, Allen, Rudolph. Tune in.
Different point of view Gip. I have three QBs worthy of the #1 overall. Put their names in a hat and pick one.
One will eventually rise to the top, and we'll hitch our wagon to him. Not even combine and workout time yet.
BTW, Senior Bowl. Mayfield, Allen, Rudolph. Tune in.
Worthy of #1? Or just..."hell we need one...and these are the best available....even if they may really be tantamount to Jay Cutler and Andy Dalton?"
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Different point of view Gip. I have three QBs worthy of the #1 overall. Put their names in a hat and pick one.
One will eventually rise to the top, and we'll hitch our wagon to him. Not even combine and workout time yet.
BTW, Senior Bowl. Mayfield, Allen, Rudolph. Tune in.
Worthy of #1? Or just..."hell we need one...and these are the best available....even if they may really be tantamount to Jay Cutler and Andy Dalton?"
Worthy of #1? Or just..."hell we need one...and these are the best available....even if they may really be tantamount to Jay Cutler and Andy Dalton?"
Nope, (subject to further review) I'll take Darnold, Mayfield, or Rosen (though I'm a little concerned about injuries and attitude in his case) (in that order) over Cutler- and certainly (only as good as his supporting cast) Dalton. There's plenty of SW Ohio Bungulites that want Andy gone. Even your guy- Randolph might sneak into the mix- but not @ #1 overall for Mason. As you probably know, the only big name I'm not keen on is The White Kizer- Josh Allen- his lack of accuracy scares the crap out of me.
PS- FWIW, I like Darnold and Mayfield as prospects every bit as much as as I did Mitch last year.
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Apparently not enough, since the CBS Big Board still has Derwin ahead of Minkah and that’s the first result listed on Google under “2018 NFL Draft Prospect Rankings”.
IIRC wasn’t that also the source you were using last year when proclaiming Trubisky to be one of the best players in the draft?
It is also the one that I used to say that Mason Rudolph is the top rated QB in this draft....and got all kinds of shite for it. Like I said: Do you think I didn't do quite a bit of research into this?
Did you also miss it when I said that MOST services had Minkah rated in the top 2 overall prospects. So...instead of being a pluperfect pedantic putz, why don't you give us YOUR opinion on who you would prefer: Minkah or Derwin James....and why.
It is also the one that I used to say that Mason Rudolph is the top rated QB in this draft....and got all kinds of shite for it. Like I said: Do you think I didn't do quite a bit of research into this?
Did you also miss it when I said that MOST services had Minkah rated in the top 2 overall prospects. So...instead of being a pluperfect pedantic putz, why don't you give us YOUR opinion on who you would prefer: Minkah or Derwin James....and why.
Who would I prefer? Derwin, for a few reasons.
Another person said this and I happen to agree - Minkah isn’t a better true FS prospect than Hooker and he’s not a better true CB prospect than Lattimore. He’s a smart, athletic defender who can do both and do them fairly well, but he’s not a lock at either. His versatility is part of what drives him up the board.
In that same vein, Derwin is a (more) versatile player who followed a career path like that of Peppers - linebacker, safety, corner, $lb. Except he’s on a Sean Taylor level of athleticism, something Peppers is not.
Minkah benefitted from being on probably the most talented and disciplined defensive squad in CFB. Derwin did not. Sure, that makes the transition to the NFL easier...but it doesn’t make him the better player.
Minkah is the obvious safer choice. But I still believe Derwin is the better player. Maybe not next season, or even the one after, but I think Derwin will end up having the better career when all is said and done.
And he’ll be available later than Minkah, which means we could still conceivably get someone at #1, someone else at #4, and then package two picks to move up to #15 and get him...and then still have a few picks left over.
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It is. I believe they take a consensus from their writers and assign a grading scale. At least, they used to.
FWIW, I also think Derwin will be a better NFL safety than Minkah as well.
And why? Enlighten us.
And why? Enlighten us.
https://www.stack.com/a/freak-athlete-derwin-james-is-college-footballs-next-superhero can Derwin be discipline in the NFL? my only worry
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Derwin vs Minkah?
they are both very, very similar.
James has better ...stats..
https://herosports.com/college-football/player-comparison/derwin-james-vs-minkah-fitzpatrick
The confusion goes on and on. I do have a hunch though, that in interviews, and one question:
"which one of these two is going to make division opponents curse that the Browns drafted him?"
Interviews - Derwin - on leadership, love for the game.
as to the question...
Derwin - he hits like dynamite - and he's a little bigger.
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Cal, most see highlights. dorsey/wolfe should be looking at low-lights..Derwin played at FSU & as TCPO pointed out, FSU had almost 90 penalties. Derwin does like looking for the espn highlight reel hits..Derwin does gamble on teams defensive systems(almost has to due to other 10).sometimes a roamer that Joe Flacco would read TE,Derwin would bite & get beat 60 yards down field. Bama about 70 penalties, Fitz calls the defense, but all 11 stay discipline to the D system.. Sabin, like Belicheck, Everybody knows their role & sticks to it with no superstar roaming.Pick your poison? just in case, am moving on to a 3rd option, Penn States FS Marcus Allen..how bout a team with only 55 penalties a season..discipline,browns could sure use some
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I want Fitzpatrick because the Browns need a cornerback, and the Browns need a free safety.
Derwin James is a strong safety - correct? That's where Peppers should play.
Drafting Derwin James IMO is throwing away a first rounder from the draft before.
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I want Fitzpatrick because the Browns need a cornerback, and the Browns need a free safety.
Derwin James is a strong safety - correct? That's where Peppers should play.
Drafting Derwin James IMO is throwing away a first rounder from the draft before.
I want Fitzpatrick because the Browns need a cornerback, and the Browns need a free safety.
Derwin James is a strong safety - correct? That's where Peppers should play.
Drafting Derwin James IMO is throwing away a first rounder from the draft before.
Minkah can’t play both at the same time, and he’s not necessarily elite at either of them.
Derwin is listed as a strong safety, but he’s not really. He’s listed as a strong safety because FSU played him basically like you’d play an X-Factor. Need a sack? Derwin on a blitz. 2 TE set? Derwin at LB. 3rd and 3? Put Derwin in the box. 2nd and 1, throw Derwin at FS.
In the NFL, he could project as a strong safety...but he plays FS just about as well as Minkah IMO (I believe he had one of the lowest catch rates of all CFB FS, IIRC.)
He’s as rangy as, if not rangier than, Minkah and he’s probably the best true athlete in this class when all is said and done.
People are iffy on the idea of a “weapon” because of the Peppers project, but Derwin is light years ahead of Peppers.
I’m not saying Minkah is bad, because he’s not. Nor am I saying he’ll have a bad career, because he won’t. But Derwin has Sean Taylor potential and will likely be available at 15.
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It is also the one that I used to say that Mason Rudolph is the top rated QB in this draft....and got all kinds of shite for it. Like I said: Do you think I didn't do quite a bit of research into this?
Did you also miss it when I said that MOST services had Minkah rated in the top 2 overall prospects. So...instead of being a pluperfect pedantic putz, why don't you give us YOUR opinion on who you would prefer: Minkah or Derwin James....and why.
Who would I prefer? Derwin, for a few reasons.
Another person said this and I happen to agree - Minkah isn’t a better true FS prospect than Hooker and he’s not a better true CB prospect than Lattimore. He’s a smart, athletic defender who can do both and do them fairly well, but he’s not a lock at either. His versatility is part of what drives him up the board.
In that same vein, Derwin is a (more) versatile player who followed a career path like that of Peppers - linebacker, safety, corner, $lb. Except he’s on a Sean Taylor level of athleticism, something Peppers is not.
Minkah benefitted from being on probably the most talented and disciplined defensive squad in CFB. Derwin did not. Sure, that makes the transition to the NFL easier...but it doesn’t make him the better player.
Minkah is the obvious safer choice. But I still believe Derwin is the better player. Maybe not next season, or even the one after, but I think Derwin will end up having the better career when all is said and done.
And he’ll be available later than Minkah, which means we could still conceivably get someone at #1, someone else at #4, and then package two picks to move up to #15 and get him...and then still have a few picks left over.
Who would I prefer? Derwin, for a few reasons.
Another person said this and I happen to agree - Minkah isn’t a better true FS prospect than Hooker and he’s not a better true CB prospect than Lattimore. He’s a smart, athletic defender who can do both and do them fairly well, but he’s not a lock at either. His versatility is part of what drives him up the board.
In that same vein, Derwin is a (more) versatile player who followed a career path like that of Peppers - linebacker, safety, corner, $lb. Except he’s on a Sean Taylor level of athleticism, something Peppers is not.
Minkah benefitted from being on probably the most talented and disciplined defensive squad in CFB. Derwin did not. Sure, that makes the transition to the NFL easier...but it doesn’t make him the better player.
Minkah is the obvious safer choice. But I still believe Derwin is the better player. Maybe not next season, or even the one after, but I think Derwin will end up having the better career when all is said and done.
And he’ll be available later than Minkah, which means we could still conceivably get someone at #1, someone else at #4, and then package two picks to move up to #15 and get him...and then still have a few picks left over.
Yeah these Bama and LSU guys never seem to be quite as good as their billing.
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You make a good case Tim. As I said I'd take whichever one is still there @4 if we go QB #1. I just prefer the defensive "brain" out there for a Browns team that looks lost from time to time on defense. Never underestimate the value of instant play diagnosis by a skilled defensive wrecker. If James is as good at that as Fitz I would not complain. Dat Nguyen was famous for that ability. Go directly to the 2:42 mark.
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