Hello! You know...Garrapolo is a Free Agent
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You know, we could've just drafted Jimmy G, instead of taking Manziel, and then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
We have a whole generation of coulda, shoulda, woulda to look back on.
We have a whole generation of coulda, shoulda, woulda to look back on.
i usually don't do shoulda coulda woulda, but he was my favorite QB out of the draft class, I wanted him, he was smart with a lightning quick release, and Pettine liked him a lot too. But if Jimmy didn't meddle, we could of had him.
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We have a whole generation of coulda, shoulda, woulda to look back on.
i usually don't do shoulda coulda woulda, but he was my favorite QB out of the draft class, I wanted him, he was smart with a lightning quick release, and Pettine liked him a lot too. But if Jimmy didn't meddle, we could of had him.
i usually don't do shoulda coulda woulda, but he was my favorite QB out of the draft class...
Yes he was... and you could actually spell his name.
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@boo-fagley said:
Any player can be franchised with an expiring contract unless there is a no tag clause in the original contract.
Jimmy G is the property of SF and they will control his rights in 2018.
Uh, yea, we got that a couple of days ago. Catchup baby tomato.
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I doubt you'll find a post of mine claiming our new dude as mine.... heck, as I type this I can't even remember his name.
But but but.... he's a football guy... now the name matters?
@boo-fagley said:
Kelce, Hunt, Hill, Peters, plus all the lower round talent that panned out.
Lower round talent that just rolls of the tongue (finger tips?) obviously...
Misc Passing Rushing Receiving Year Rnd Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2017 1 Patrick Mahomes 10 QB 2017 0 0 0 1 1 22 35 284 0 1 7 10 0 Texas Tech 2017 2 Tanoh Kpassagnon 59 DE 2017 0 0 0 2 16 2.0 Villanova 2017 3 Kareem Hunt 86 RB 2017 0 1 1 15 16 272 1327 8 53 455 3 Toledo 2017 4 Jehu Chesson 139 WR 2017 0 0 0 0 12 2 18 0 Michigan 2017 5 Ukeme Eligwe 183 LB 2017 0 0 0 1 14 1.0 Georgia Southern 2017 6 Leon McQuay 218 S 2017 0 0 0 0 1 USC Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2016 2 Chris Jones 37 DT 2017 0 0 1 11 32 1 8.5 Mississippi St. 2016 3 KeiVarae Russell 74 CB 2017 0 0 0 1 13 1 Notre Dame 2016 4 Parker Ehinger 105 G 2017 0 0 0 3 6 Cincinnati 2016 4 Eric Murray 106 CB 2017 0 0 0 2 30 1.0 Minnesota 2016 4 Demarcus Robinson 126 WR 2017 0 0 1 2 32 21 212 0 Florida 2016 5 Kevin Hogan 162 QB 2017 0 0 0 2 8 60 101 621 4 7 18 176 1 Stanford 2016 5 Tyreek Hill 165 WR 2017 1 2 1 23 31 0 1 0 0 1 41 326 3 136 1776 13 West Alabama 2016 6 D.J. White 178 CB 2017 0 0 0 1 13 1 Georgia Tech 2016 6 Dadi Nicolas 203 DE 2016 0 0 0 1 11 Virginia Tech Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Marcus Peters 18 CB 2017 1 2 3 28 45 19 Washington 2015 2 Mitch Morse 49 G 2017 0 0 2 18 38 Missouri 2015 3 Chris Conley 76 WR 2017 0 0 1 9 37 72 904 1 Georgia 2015 3 Steven Nelson 98 CB 2017 0 0 1 8 36 Oregon St. 2015 4 Ramik Wilson 118 ILB 2017 0 0 1 12 30 1 Georgia 2015 5 D.J. Alexander 172 OLB 2017 0 1 0 6 44 Oregon St. 2015 5 James O'Shaughnessy 173 TE 2017 0 0 0 2 39 22 235 1 Illinois St. 2015 6 Rakeem Nunez-Roches 217 DT 2017 0 0 1 9 34 1.5 Southern Miss 2015 7 Da'Ron Brown 233 WR 0 0 0 Northern Illinois Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2014 1 Dee Ford 23 LB 2017 0 0 1 14 51 17.5 Auburn 2014 3 Phillip Gaines 87 DB 2017 0 0 0 6 41 1 Rice 2014 4 De'Anthony Thomas 124 RB 2017 0 0 0 7 50 28 180 2 61 474 3 Oregon 2014 5 Aaron Murray 163 QB 0 0 0 Georgia 2014 6 Zach Fulton 193 G 2017 0 0 3 23 63 Tennessee 2014 6 Laurent Duvernay-Tardif 200 OL 2017 0 0 3 18 41 McGill Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 Eric Fisher 1 T 2017 0 0 5 36 78 0 -5 0 Central Michigan 2013 3 Travis Kelce 63 TE 2017 1 3 4 35 64 0 1 0 0 1 3 2 0 307 3900 22 Cincinnati 2013 3 Knile Davis 96 RB 2016 0 0 0 10 57 250 805 11 34 271 1 Arkansas 2013 4 Nico Johnson 99 LB 2015 0 0 0 3 18 Alabama 2013 5 Sanders Commings 134 DB 2013 0 0 0 0 2 Georgia 2013 6 Eric Kush 170 C 2016 0 0 0 3 18 California (PA) 2013 6 Braden Wilson 204 FB 0 0 0 Kansas St. 2013 7 Mike Catapano 207 DE 2016 0 0 0 3 29 2.0 Princeton "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I doubt you'll find a post of mine claiming our new dude as mine.... heck, as I type this I can't even remember his name.
But but but.... he's a football guy... now the name matters?
@boo-fagley said:
Kelce, Hunt, Hill, Peters, plus all the lower round talent that panned out.
Lower round talent that just rolls of the tongue (finger tips?) obviously...
Misc Passing Rushing Receiving Year Rnd Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2017 1 Patrick Mahomes 10 QB 2017 0 0 0 1 1 22 35 284 0 1 7 10 0 Texas Tech 2017 2 Tanoh Kpassagnon 59 DE 2017 0 0 0 2 16 2.0 Villanova 2017 3 Kareem Hunt 86 RB 2017 0 1 1 15 16 272 1327 8 53 455 3 Toledo 2017 4 Jehu Chesson 139 WR 2017 0 0 0 0 12 2 18 0 Michigan 2017 5 Ukeme Eligwe 183 LB 2017 0 0 0 1 14 1.0 Georgia Southern 2017 6 Leon McQuay 218 S 2017 0 0 0 0 1 USC Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2016 2 Chris Jones 37 DT 2017 0 0 1 11 32 1 8.5 Mississippi St. 2016 3 KeiVarae Russell 74 CB 2017 0 0 0 1 13 1 Notre Dame 2016 4 Parker Ehinger 105 G 2017 0 0 0 3 6 Cincinnati 2016 4 Eric Murray 106 CB 2017 0 0 0 2 30 1.0 Minnesota 2016 4 Demarcus Robinson 126 WR 2017 0 0 1 2 32 21 212 0 Florida 2016 5 Kevin Hogan 162 QB 2017 0 0 0 2 8 60 101 621 4 7 18 176 1 Stanford 2016 5 Tyreek Hill 165 WR 2017 1 2 1 23 31 0 1 0 0 1 41 326 3 136 1776 13 West Alabama 2016 6 D.J. White 178 CB 2017 0 0 0 1 13 1 Georgia Tech 2016 6 Dadi Nicolas 203 DE 2016 0 0 0 1 11 Virginia Tech Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Marcus Peters 18 CB 2017 1 2 3 28 45 19 Washington 2015 2 Mitch Morse 49 G 2017 0 0 2 18 38 Missouri 2015 3 Chris Conley 76 WR 2017 0 0 1 9 37 72 904 1 Georgia 2015 3 Steven Nelson 98 CB 2017 0 0 1 8 36 Oregon St. 2015 4 Ramik Wilson 118 ILB 2017 0 0 1 12 30 1 Georgia 2015 5 D.J. Alexander 172 OLB 2017 0 1 0 6 44 Oregon St. 2015 5 James O'Shaughnessy 173 TE 2017 0 0 0 2 39 22 235 1 Illinois St. 2015 6 Rakeem Nunez-Roches 217 DT 2017 0 0 1 9 34 1.5 Southern Miss 2015 7 Da'Ron Brown 233 WR 0 0 0 Northern Illinois Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2014 1 Dee Ford 23 LB 2017 0 0 1 14 51 17.5 Auburn 2014 3 Phillip Gaines 87 DB 2017 0 0 0 6 41 1 Rice 2014 4 De'Anthony Thomas 124 RB 2017 0 0 0 7 50 28 180 2 61 474 3 Oregon 2014 5 Aaron Murray 163 QB 0 0 0 Georgia 2014 6 Zach Fulton 193 G 2017 0 0 3 23 63 Tennessee 2014 6 Laurent Duvernay-Tardif 200 OL 2017 0 0 3 18 41 McGill Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 Eric Fisher 1 T 2017 0 0 5 36 78 0 -5 0 Central Michigan 2013 3 Travis Kelce 63 TE 2017 1 3 4 35 64 0 1 0 0 1 3 2 0 307 3900 22 Cincinnati 2013 3 Knile Davis 96 RB 2016 0 0 0 10 57 250 805 11 34 271 1 Arkansas 2013 4 Nico Johnson 99 LB 2015 0 0 0 3 18 Alabama 2013 5 Sanders Commings 134 DB 2013 0 0 0 0 2 Georgia 2013 6 Eric Kush 170 C 2016 0 0 0 3 18 California (PA) 2013 6 Braden Wilson 204 FB 0 0 0 Kansas St. 2013 7 Mike Catapano 207 DE 2016 0 0 0 3 29 2.0 Princeton But but but.... he's a football guy... now the name matters?
ahhh, I get it now. Well, I guess the new dude has 32 games to see if he can help build a team that wins at least a single game.... Win one and it's a push - go 0fer and it's a loss - win 2 and he's twice as shitty as Mr. Pompous was.
But in all seriousness and to be completely fair, if he's saddled with Huey for 32 games like Sashi was, then I doubt he will be any more successful..... Like I've said before, I still can't believe Mr. Pompous was fired before the Cue Ball Headed Fool.
As long as Jimmy and Dee are the ones actually pulling all of the strings, then this Brown puppet will flounder like the embarrassing turd its record says it is.
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@boo-fagley said:
Fulton 6th round starting C
Tardif 6th round starting G
Roches 6th round starting DE
Hill 5th round starting WR
Sorenson undrafted starting S and only the KC leading tackler.
West undrafdted starting Brian Westbrook type RB when healthy.
Nevermind. Thanks for playing.
You are welcome for doing the leg work for you. There are a couple good players in there. However, do I know need to show you how many of your "starters" were pressed into starting due to injury?
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There are 5 pro-bowlers on that list of draftees.
That is an extremely good rate.
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@boo-fagley said:
Big deal. Isnt that the whole point of having depth?
Youre griping about lower picks making the roster and helping the team make the post season.
And that depth helped turn a 5-0 start into what exactly?
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still more talent than our last 20 drafts.
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still more talent than our last 20 drafts.
This is what's important. As a 49er fan, I see Jimmy Garoppolo, and yeah he looks good, but he has a mechanical flaw on deep passes and threw 5 INTs. But then I think, well, he isn't quite Tom Brady, but my God he is MILES better than what the 49ers have had since Jeff Garcia.
That's how you have to look at it. Look at the Browns last two decades of drafts. The new GM is a DRASTIC upgrade, and will turn the tide for this franchise. Book it.
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still more talent than our last 20 drafts.
This is what's important. As a 49er fan, I see Jimmy Garoppolo, and yeah he looks good, but he has a mechanical flaw on deep passes and threw 5 INTs. But then I think, well, he isn't quite Tom Brady, but my God he is MILES better than what the 49ers have had since Jeff Garcia.
That's how you have to look at it. Look at the Browns last two decades of drafts. The new GM is a DRASTIC upgrade, and will turn the tide for this franchise. Book it.
This is what's important. As a 49er fan, I see Jimmy Garoppolo, and yeah he looks good, but he has a mechanical flaw on deep passes and threw 5 INTs. But then I think, well, he isn't quite Tom Brady, but my God he is MILES better than what the 49ers have had since Jeff Garcia.
That's how you have to look at it. Look at the Browns last two decades of drafts. The new GM is a DRASTIC upgrade, and will turn the tide for this franchise. Book it.
Does Four Calling Birds agree with your assessment? And, you know...all the others?
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This is what's important. As a 49er fan, I see Jimmy Garoppolo, and yeah he looks good, but he has a mechanical flaw on deep passes and threw 5 INTs. But then I think, well, he isn't quite Tom Brady, but my God he is MILES better than what the 49ers have had since Jeff Garcia.
That's how you have to look at it. Look at the Browns last two decades of drafts. The new GM is a DRASTIC upgrade, and will turn the tide for this franchise. Book it.
Does Four Calling Birds agree with your assessment? And, you know...all the others?
Does Four Calling Birds agree with your assessment? And, you know...all the others?
The partridge pooped all over that post.
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This is what's important. As a 49er fan, I see Jimmy Garoppolo, and yeah he looks good, but he has a mechanical flaw on deep passes and threw 5 INTs. But then I think, well, he isn't quite Tom Brady, but my God he is MILES better than what the 49ers have had since Jeff Garcia.
That's how you have to look at it. Look at the Browns last two decades of drafts. The new GM is a DRASTIC upgrade, and will turn the tide for this franchise. Book it.
Does Four Calling Birds agree with your assessment? And, you know...all the others?
Does Four Calling Birds agree with your assessment? And, you know...all the others?
Lol I just thought I'd point out that so far I am right. The Browns have turned a corner.
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Does Four Calling Birds agree with your assessment? And, you know...all the others?
Lol I just thought I'd point out that so far I am right. The Browns have turned a corner.
Lol I just thought I'd point out that so far I am right. The Browns have turned a corner.
I’m glad I could entertain you with a two-year-old post.
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Zombo said:
They'll sign him or franchise him
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I never really liked to tag key players -but- you might not want to see them walk away either. Besides being a tagged QB isn't exactly minimum wage, offensive players 2019 numbers:
Franchise Tags
QB: $24.865 million..... almost Mayfield numbers
RB: $11.214 million
WR: $16.787 million
TE: $10.387 millionTransition Tags
QB: $22.783 million
RB: $9.099 million
WR: $14.794 million
TE: $8.815 million -
I wanted this guy SO BADLY before he signed with San Francisco. I really thought he was an instant QB that you rarely get on the market and I would've traded lord knows what pick to get him. The accuracy, the quick release, and the ability to distribute the ball made him a lock for me. Will he end up being worth it? Time will tell, but his record is stupid amazing, I don't care WHO he's played. Lord man, how many times does that freaking play-action bootleg throw to the tight end work? Apparently a metric shit load.
Speaking of bootleg, why don't we ever run that? Wasn't that bomb to Perriman off a bootleg last year?
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I wanted this guy SO BADLY before he signed with San Francisco. I really thought he was an instant QB that you rarely get on the market and I would've traded lord knows what pick to get him. The accuracy, the quick release, and the ability to distribute the ball made him a lock for me. Will he end up being worth it? Time will tell, but his record is stupid amazing, I don't care WHO he's played. Lord man, how many times does that freaking play-action bootleg throw to the tight end work? Apparently a metric shit load.
Speaking of bootleg, why don't we ever run that? Wasn't that bomb to Perriman off a bootleg last year?
I wanted this guy SO BADLY before he signed with San Francisco. I really thought he was an instant QB that you rarely get on the market and I would've traded lord knows what pick to get him. The accuracy, the quick release, and the ability to distribute the ball made him a lock for me. Will he end up being worth it? Time will tell, but his record is stupid amazing, I don't care WHO he's played. Lord man, how many times does that freaking play-action bootleg throw to the tight end work? Apparently a metric shit load.
Speaking of bootleg, why don't we ever run that? Wasn't that bomb to Perriman off a bootleg last year?
Bootleg's are nice but 1 of the times Jimmy Garrapolo went outside the pocket at the beginning of 2018 - he ended up on IR.
A lot of times, Waggle Passes utilize QB bootlegs which are set up from the running game. Teams use different terminologies but back in the late 80s-early 90s we set it up from the Buck series (sweep & trap) in the Delaware Wing-T. When you have an athletic line skilled at trapping and pulling, you can put some really good eye candy on film. When you don't, the X's and Uh-O's can expose your QB to some trauma.
Back when Kyle Shanahan was here, he used the bootleg passes with Hoyer quite frequently. The reason for that is he had some success doing so especially early on when the Browns got off to a 7-4 start that nobody saw coming. The problem he eventually encountered was once enough teams got this on film, it wasn't that difficult to stop and Hoyer began to struggle. I remembered us being favored to beat Jax when they put on an absolute clinic on how to defend this.
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I wanted this guy SO BADLY before he signed with San Francisco. I really thought he was an instant QB that you rarely get on the market and I would've traded lord knows what pick to get him. The accuracy, the quick release, and the ability to distribute the ball made him a lock for me. Will he end up being worth it? Time will tell, but his record is stupid amazing, I don't care WHO he's played. Lord man, how many times does that freaking play-action bootleg throw to the tight end work? Apparently a metric shit load.
Speaking of bootleg, why don't we ever run that? Wasn't that bomb to Perriman off a bootleg last year?
Bootleg's are nice but 1 of the times Jimmy Garrapolo went outside the pocket at the beginning of 2018 - he ended up on IR.
A lot of times, Waggle Passes utilize QB bootlegs which are set up from the running game. Teams use different terminologies but back in the late 80s-early 90s we set it up from the Buck series (sweep & trap) in the Delaware Wing-T. When you have an athletic line skilled at trapping and pulling, you can put some really good eye candy on film. When you don't, the X's and Uh-O's can expose your QB to some trauma.
Back when Kyle Shanahan was here, he used the bootleg passes with Hoyer quite frequently. The reason for that is he had some success doing so especially early on when the Browns got off to a 7-4 start that nobody saw coming. The problem he eventually encountered was once enough teams got this on film, it wasn't that difficult to stop and Hoyer began to struggle. I remembered us being favored to beat Jax when they put on an absolute clinic on how to defend this.
Bootleg's are nice but 1 of the times Jimmy Garrapolo went outside the pocket at the beginning of 2018 - he ended up on IR.
A lot of times, Waggle Passes utilize QB bootlegs which are set up from the running game. Teams use different terminologies but back in the late 80s-early 90s we set it up from the Buck series (sweep & trap) in the Delaware Wing-T. When you have an athletic line skilled at trapping and pulling, you can put some really good eye candy on film. When you don't, the X's and Uh-O's can expose your QB to some trauma.
Back when Kyle Shanahan was here, he used the bootleg passes with Hoyer quite frequently. The reason for that is he had some success doing so especially early on when the Browns got off to a 7-4 start that nobody saw coming. The problem he eventually encountered was once enough teams got this on film, it wasn't that difficult to stop and Hoyer began to struggle. I remembered us being favored to beat Jax when they put on an absolute clinic on how to defend this.
This is a terrific post, Flugel. Thanks for the input.
Fans need to be ready for the obnoxious wide open tight end play, and hopefully we see it enough to adjust and stop it. I read a stat that showed the tremendous disparity between Garoppolo throwing under pressure vs clean pocket and it was startling. Bottom line? We get pressure and we can win. We don't, they WILL march it down the field and score a bunch of points on us. It'd be nice if they self destructed like they did against the Steelers (and somehow won btw), but I wouldn't count on it. They got lucky but we're a team that will definitely beat you if you turn it over 4 or 5 times.
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