The games deliver Ghoolie's lessons
-
Blake Bortles and the Jaguars ran lots of well-executed play action passes. One for a TD to the fullback. They also took deep shots when Pittsburgh dared them. Props to the Jaguars today
Blake Bortles and the Jaguars ran lots of well-executed play action passes. One for a TD to the fullback. They also took deep shots when Pittsburgh dared them. Props to the Jaguars today
I agree. THey played great offense. Offense wins championships. Defense is not that important.
-
2017 top 10 defense teams, just the facts only. (Oh #1, 2, 4, 5 are in the championship games next Sunday.)
Team Defense
Tot Yds & TO Passing Rushing Penalties Rk Tm G PF Yds Ply Y/P TO FL 1stD Cmp Att Yds TD Int NY/A 1stD Att Yds TD Y/A 1stD Pen Yds 1stPy Sc% TO% EXP 1 Minnesota Vikings 16 252 4415 956 4.6 19 5 260 324 555 3078 13 14 5.2 168 364 1337 10 3.7 59 105 928 33 27.9 10.1 79.44 2 Jacksonville Jaguars 16 268 4578 993 4.6 33 12 257 289 509 2718 17 21 4.8 143 429 1860 9 4.3 91 112 1050 23 23.1 15.7 169.54 3 Los Angeles Chargers 16 272 5254 997 5.3 27 9 282 329 524 3156 17 18 5.6 153 430 2098 11 4.9 99 109 996 30 28.5 15.1 35.51 4 Philadelphia Eagles 16 295 4904 976 5.0 31 12 272 363 601 3637 24 19 5.7 177 337 1267 7 3.8 62 101 917 33 26.9 14.7 71.00 5 New England Patriots 16 296 5856 1022 5.7 18 6 325 367 590 4020 24 12 6.4 204 390 1836 6 4.7 98 111 1035 23 29.7 9.3 -75.44 6 Baltimore Ravens 16 303 5201 1045 5.0 34 12 296 333 569 3421 18 22 5.6 179 435 1780 12 4.1 87 96 807 30 29.7 17.4 94.13 7 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 308 4910 940 5.2 22 6 270 297 499 3217 20 16 5.8 157 385 1693 14 4.4 89 110 1041 24 30.3 12.4 11.17 8 Atlanta Falcons 16 315 5094 994 5.1 16 8 323 362 553 3429 22 8 5.8 197 402 1665 9 4.1 97 103 880 29 35.9 9.2 -42.66 9 Chicago Bears 16 320 5106 1003 5.1 22 14 298 343 529 3376 18 8 5.9 180 432 1730 10 4.0 85 118 910 33 33.1 11.2 5.61 10 New Orleans Saints 16 326 5384 1002 5.4 25 5 308 329 554 3597 22 20 6.0 172 406 1787 11 4.4 92 108 850 44 34.6 12.8 -24 2017 top 10 defense teams, just the facts only.
Team Defense
Tot Yds & TO Passing Rushing Penalties Rk Tm G PF Yds Ply Y/P TO FL 1stD Cmp Att Yds TD Int NY/A 1stD Att Yds TD Y/A 1stD Pen Yds 1stPy Sc% TO% EXP 1 Minnesota Vikings 16 252 4415 956 4.6 19 5 260 324 555 3078 13 14 5.2 168 364 1337 10 3.7 59 105 928 33 27.9 10.1 79.44 2 Jacksonville Jaguars 16 268 4578 993 4.6 33 12 257 289 509 2718 17 21 4.8 143 429 1860 9 4.3 91 112 1050 23 23.1 15.7 169.54 3 Los Angeles Chargers 16 272 5254 997 5.3 27 9 282 329 524 3156 17 18 5.6 153 430 2098 11 4.9 99 109 996 30 28.5 15.1 35.51 4 Philadelphia Eagles 16 295 4904 976 5.0 31 12 272 363 601 3637 24 19 5.7 177 337 1267 7 3.8 62 101 917 33 26.9 14.7 71.00 5 New England Patriots 16 296 5856 1022 5.7 18 6 325 367 590 4020 24 12 6.4 204 390 1836 6 4.7 98 111 1035 23 29.7 9.3 -75.44 6 Baltimore Ravens 16 303 5201 1045 5.0 34 12 296 333 569 3421 18 22 5.6 179 435 1780 12 4.1 87 96 807 30 29.7 17.4 94.13 7 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 308 4910 940 5.2 22 6 270 297 499 3217 20 16 5.8 157 385 1693 14 4.4 89 110 1041 24 30.3 12.4 11.17 8 Atlanta Falcons 16 315 5094 994 5.1 16 8 323 362 553 3429 22 8 5.8 197 402 1665 9 4.1 97 103 880 29 35.9 9.2 -42.66 9 Chicago Bears 16 320 5106 1003 5.1 22 14 298 343 529 3376 18 8 5.9 180 432 1730 10 4.0 85 118 910 33 33.1 11.2 5.61 10 New Orleans Saints 16 326 5384 1002 5.4 25 5 308 329 554 3597 22 20 6.0 172 406 1787 11 4.4 92 108 850 44 34.6 12.8 -24 And none of those defenses helped anyone win today. I don't give a schidt where they are rated. They had nothing to do with the outcome of the games..............OFFENSE OFFENSE AND OFFENSE won.
Minnesota's defense let them down. The could not protect and keep a lead. It took offensive plays, not defensive plays to win.
THe reason winning teams have a high rate defense is because of their offense. THe O wears the opposing team down, keeps the opposing O out of synch, and allows their own D to play less snaps AND to take more risks.
OFFENSE................. not defense wins championships.
Shove that idiotic chart up your ayus.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
2017 top 10 defense teams, just the facts only.
Team Defense
Tot Yds & TO Passing Rushing Penalties Rk Tm G PF Yds Ply Y/P TO FL 1stD Cmp Att Yds TD Int NY/A 1stD Att Yds TD Y/A 1stD Pen Yds 1stPy Sc% TO% EXP 1 Minnesota Vikings 16 252 4415 956 4.6 19 5 260 324 555 3078 13 14 5.2 168 364 1337 10 3.7 59 105 928 33 27.9 10.1 79.44 2 Jacksonville Jaguars 16 268 4578 993 4.6 33 12 257 289 509 2718 17 21 4.8 143 429 1860 9 4.3 91 112 1050 23 23.1 15.7 169.54 3 Los Angeles Chargers 16 272 5254 997 5.3 27 9 282 329 524 3156 17 18 5.6 153 430 2098 11 4.9 99 109 996 30 28.5 15.1 35.51 4 Philadelphia Eagles 16 295 4904 976 5.0 31 12 272 363 601 3637 24 19 5.7 177 337 1267 7 3.8 62 101 917 33 26.9 14.7 71.00 5 New England Patriots 16 296 5856 1022 5.7 18 6 325 367 590 4020 24 12 6.4 204 390 1836 6 4.7 98 111 1035 23 29.7 9.3 -75.44 6 Baltimore Ravens 16 303 5201 1045 5.0 34 12 296 333 569 3421 18 22 5.6 179 435 1780 12 4.1 87 96 807 30 29.7 17.4 94.13 7 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 308 4910 940 5.2 22 6 270 297 499 3217 20 16 5.8 157 385 1693 14 4.4 89 110 1041 24 30.3 12.4 11.17 8 Atlanta Falcons 16 315 5094 994 5.1 16 8 323 362 553 3429 22 8 5.8 197 402 1665 9 4.1 97 103 880 29 35.9 9.2 -42.66 9 Chicago Bears 16 320 5106 1003 5.1 22 14 298 343 529 3376 18 8 5.9 180 432 1730 10 4.0 85 118 910 33 33.1 11.2 5.61 10 New Orleans Saints 16 326 5384 1002 5.4 25 5 308 329 554 3597 22 20 6.0 172 406 1787 11 4.4 92 108 850 44 34.6 12.8 -24 And none of those defenses helped anyone win today. I don't give a schidt where they are rated. They had nothing to do with the outcome of the games..............OFFENSE OFFENSE AND OFFENSE won.
Minnesota's defense let them down. The could not protect and keep a lead. It took offensive plays, not defensive plays to win.
THe reason winning teams have a high rate defense is because of their offense. THe O wears the opposing team down, keeps the opposing O out of synch, and allows their own D to play less snaps AND to take more risks.
OFFENSE................. not defense wins championships.
Shove that idiotic chart up your ayus.
-
Blake Bortles and the Jaguars ran lots of well-executed play action passes. One for a TD to the fullback. They also took deep shots when Pittsburgh dared them. Props to the Jaguars today
I agree. THey played great offense. Offense wins championships. Defense is not that important.
I agree. THey played great offense. Offense wins championships. Defense is not that important.
I’m not debating that, I’m refuting your take that no teams today took shots or used play action when opponents stacked the box. Jacksonville did, and to perfection.
Its a good take though, and I agree that a good offense significantly improves the defense, but I disagree that defense is meaningless
-
Shove that idiotic chart up your ayus.
They are not my charts they are the NFL PRO REFERENCE Official charts.
They are not my charts they are the NFL PRO REFERENCE Official charts.
I didn't say they were yours, but honestly, they don't indicate anything of substance. Any team that has a prolific offense is going to have one of the best defenses in the NFL simply because that defense will play less downs, have the opponent in horrible field position, AND because the opposing O will generally be playing catch up, will be at a disadvantage as to the play selection available.
A great offense makes life easy for the D.
Against a great O today, the Minnesota defense looked like pure schidt; average; not much better than the Browns.
OFFENSE wins championships................................Offense makes the defense.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Curious that 4 of the top 5 DEFENSIVE teams are in the championship games.
I hate all this 'this is more important than that' prattle. Especially in the NFL.
The game has two sides to the equation - score points and keep the other team from scoring points. Always has, Always will.
-
They are not my charts they are the NFL PRO REFERENCE Official charts.
I didn't say they were yours, but honestly, they don't indicate anything of substance. Any team that has a prolific offense is going to have one of the best defenses in the NFL simply because that defense will play less downs, have the opponent in horrible field position, AND because the opposing O will generally be playing catch up, will be at a disadvantage as to the play selection available.
A great offense makes life easy for the D.
Against a great O today, the Minnesota defense looked like pure schidt; average; not much better than the Browns.
OFFENSE wins championships................................Offense makes the defense.
I didn't say they were yours, but honestly, they don't indicate anything of substance. Any team that has a prolific offense is going to have one of the best defenses in the NFL simply because that defense will play less downs, have the opponent in horrible field position, AND because the opposing O will generally be playing catch up, will be at a disadvantage as to the play selection available.
A great offense makes life easy for the D.
Against a great O today, the Minnesota defense looked like pure schidt; average; not much better than the Browns.
OFFENSE wins championships................................Offense makes the defense.
San Diego Chargers when Fouts/Winslow were on the team still couldn't put together a championship due to their defense. They could put up 40 and lose 44-40. Combination of both is best.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
It's been said often enough that it's worth repeating.
The best defense is a good offense.
-
1) Defense is meaningless. Offense wins championships. Always has, Always will. Only jackoffs, like, well, most of you, believe that defense is critical to win in the NFL. As you saw, with big offense, the defense merely goes along for the ride, and gets tired, gassed and sloppy as the game progresses.
You put your money into QBs. WR, TE, RB............YOu spend on OL last, always last.
2) Defenses today are afraid to pressure the QB. Brady is being given 6 seconds to pass. Neither N.O. or Minnesota blitzed much................... both QBs has all day to pass. It cost Minnesota the game go ahead FG, and it cost over-rated Sean Peyton, the game.
Marty Shottenheimer was in my mind, the biggest coward every to coach in the NFL. This weekend I watched a bunch of defenses that were afraid to pressure the QB/ Soft zone defense makes football a game for homosexuals. It has become boring, It has no intensity. This weekend games were not much different than touch football.
3) Attack offense , save for N.E. is so far a thing of the past, I don't believe most fans even know what the hell an aggressive offense is.
2nd and 2.................9 men in the box...............offenses hand the ball off....................as if 5 OL are going to block 9 men converging on the ball. These caulk suckers have the opposing defense over a barrel, committed to the run.............. and STILL...........the cowards won't call a play action pass and burn the schidt out of the D. BORING, Gutless, Bernie Kosar, "protect-the-lead" football is making the NFL less interesting than HBO's homosexual channel.
1) Defense is meaningless. Offense wins championships. Always has, Always will. Only jackoffs, like, well, most of you, believe that defense is critical to win in the NFL. As you saw, with big offense, the defense merely goes along for the ride, and gets tired, gassed and sloppy as the game progresses.
You put your money into QBs. WR, TE, RB............YOu spend on OL last, always last.
2) Defenses today are afraid to pressure the QB.
Yeah, Jax really looked terrified to pressure your Big Ben after they intercepted him 5 times (inclusive of a pick 6 or 2) during their first meeting. This time they pressured him into a fumble they easily scored on. They also intercepted him earlier in the game when their young LB picked off the pass on the sideline. This translates to minus 2 offensive possessions possessions for Pittsburgh via GOOD defense by Jax. The week before, Jax stymied Buffalo into just 3 points so all their offense had to do was score 10 points (even though 7 would have done the job).
Balance wins Championships. I've never seen a BAD defense win a SB. The game has 3 phases so despite what the moonshine is telling you - teams that neglect their defense won't be standing at the end. They just won't...
The final 4 QBs are Case Keenum, Nick Foles, Blake Bortles and the Tom Brady you assured us was finished last year at this time.
The QBs that just lost are Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Ben Rapen and Marcus Mariota. I'm sure some Saints fans will be happy to tell you about the role defense played in yesterday's outcome. TN had the same experience. Meanwhile, Philly's defense kept Atlanta from scoring at the end of the game. Maybe all one had to do to understand football was watch football.
-
I agree. THey played great offense. Offense wins championships. Defense is not that important.
I’m not debating that, I’m refuting your take that no teams today took shots or used play action when opponents stacked the box. Jacksonville did, and to perfection.
Its a good take though, and I agree that a good offense significantly improves the defense, but I disagree that defense is meaningless
I’m not debating that, I’m refuting your take that no teams today took shots or used play action when opponents stacked the box. Jacksonville did, and to perfection.
Its a good take though, and I agree that a good offense significantly improves the defense, but I disagree that defense is meaningless
welcome to the board..your dealing with another sideline Tomlin cheerleader that still wears his Bradshaw jersey to dollar stores..not only does the R(m)aven ghool-baster have 2 sides to his mouth, but he also plays the bun-holes more than twice a year..site does include a member ignore button...get use to it or decide to fail he thinks he's Kang & we our his village of homos..Browns your team?
-
Blake Bortles and the Jaguars ran lots of well-executed play action passes. One for a TD to the fullback. They also took deep shots when Pittsburgh dared them. Props to the Jaguars today
I agree. THey played great offense. Offense wins championships. Defense is not that important.
-
1) Defense is meaningless. Offense wins championships. Always has, Always will. Only jackoffs, like, well, most of you, believe that defense is critical to win in the NFL. As you saw, with big offense, the defense merely goes along for the ride, and gets tired, gassed and sloppy as the game progresses.
You put your money into QBs. WR, TE, RB............YOu spend on OL last, always last.
2) Defenses today are afraid to pressure the QB. Brady is being given 6 seconds to pass. Neither N.O. or Minnesota blitzed much................... both QBs has all day to pass. It cost Minnesota the game go ahead FG, and it cost over-rated Sean Peyton, the game.
Marty Shottenheimer was in my mind, the biggest coward every to coach in the NFL. This weekend I watched a bunch of defenses that were afraid to pressure the QB/ Soft zone defense makes football a game for homosexuals. It has become boring, It has no intensity. This weekend games were not much different than touch football.
3) Attack offense , save for N.E. is so far a thing of the past, I don't believe most fans even know what the hell an aggressive offense is.
2nd and 2.................9 men in the box...............offenses hand the ball off....................as if 5 OL are going to block 9 men converging on the ball. These caulk suckers have the opposing defense over a barrel, committed to the run.............. and STILL...........the cowards won't call a play action pass and burn the schidt out of the D. BORING, Gutless, Bernie Kosar, "protect-the-lead" football is making the NFL less interesting than HBO's homosexual channel.
You put your money into QBs. WR, TE, RB............YOu spend on OL last, always last.
True. But does it make OL meaningless? Hell no. Yesterday Minnesota could have easily lost the game just because their OL didn't give even 2 seconds to Keenum to make a play in second half.
-
They are not my charts they are the NFL PRO REFERENCE Official charts.
I didn't say they were yours, but honestly, they don't indicate anything of substance. Any team that has a prolific offense is going to have one of the best defenses in the NFL simply because that defense will play less downs, have the opponent in horrible field position, AND because the opposing O will generally be playing catch up, will be at a disadvantage as to the play selection available.
A great offense makes life easy for the D.
Against a great O today, the Minnesota defense looked like pure schidt; average; not much better than the Browns.
OFFENSE wins championships................................Offense makes the defense.
I didn't say they were yours, but honestly, they don't indicate anything of substance. Any team that has a prolific offense is going to have one of the best defenses in the NFL simply because that defense will play less downs, have the opponent in horrible field position, AND because the opposing O will generally be playing catch up, will be at a disadvantage as to the play selection available.
Both defense and offense benefit from each other, but what is in bold is simply wrong. I won't go further than THIS YEAR, when Patriots had #1 offense and #32 defense for the first 6 games.
-
True. But does it make OL meaningless? Hell no. Yesterday Minnesota could have easily lost the game just because their OL didn't give even 2 seconds to Keenum to make a play in second half.
I hate to jump into this pile of do-do but there is a HUGE fact being overlooked by certain individual(s).
The formula for sucess in the NFL (and similarly in other sports) is the right combination of:
Offence, defense, special teams, coaching, FO decisions, injuries and luck to briefly sum it up.
Also to be noted in years and decades past the defenses had more success compared to today in this concussion driven tweaking of the rules and the referees emphasis on safety in calling all aspects of the game this benefits the offenses more than in the past.....and not just in the playoffs.
Now let's all go out and have a caffeine free, low calorie, GMO free, gluten free, not too hot or cold beverage and chill out.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Sure.....offense wins championships. Every team has to have an offense....and every team that wins has to play offense. And that offense must try to score more than the other team's offense scores. If you score 15 points and the other team scored 10...then the offense helped win. If you score 45 and the other team scores 42...then the offense helped win.
Boy....and some people make it sound like that is hard to figure out.
-
Wait...
Phoolie is taking a victory lap?
Really?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
@boo-fagley said:
So, if the Saints had played better defense on the Vikings last drive they still would have lost?
The Vikings defense kept the Saints out of the endzone on their last drive and forced a FG. The Vikings defense held the NFLs best offense to nothing for 30 minutes. You want to ask the Steelers about defense? They allowed the 16th ranked NFL offense to score 38 points on them. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff Ben couldnt throw enough TDs with that hole in the boat Pitt defense.
The offense won the football game. Checkmate.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
True. But does it make OL meaningless? Hell no. Yesterday Minnesota could have easily lost the game just because their OL didn't give even 2 seconds to Keenum to make a play in second half.
Or we could look at how many times Brees got sacked (inclusive of a fumble lost in the pocket). That matters in close outcomes.
Think about how many years League MVP QBs have never won the Superbowl.
Today's rules favor passing games to promote more scoring so YEAH, you have to have a strong offense to compete. The difference between Pittsburgh and Sacksonville was 1 team stopped the other on 4th and 1, scored on Ben's fumble and picked off Ben. There's your point swing that mattered more than Ben's passing stats to the scoreboard favoring Jax. Meanwhile take a look at how many times Jax turned it over. The last time Pitt won a Superbowl, the biggest point swing came when Arizona had the ball at the Pitt 2 yard line. James Harrison got the pick 6 right before the half and it was HUGE to their margin of victory. THIS Pittsburgh team wasn't complete like that. End result? Offense couldn't win their championship for the second straight year.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login