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    Listening to Flake combined with this McCain Op-Ed Should wake you all up. Venezuelan democracy was torn apart in exactly the way our Dear Leader has been attempting to do for the last couple of years. You want to lose this democracy, then just keep siding with this lying fraud.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-stop-attacking-the-press/2018/01/16/9438c0ac-faf0-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?utm_term=.ff3057b78181

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      Listening to Flake combined with this McCain Op-Ed Should wake you all up. Venezuelan democracy was torn apart in exactly the way our Dear Leader has been attempting to do for the last couple of years. You want to lose this democracy, then just keep siding with this lying fraud.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-stop-attacking-the-press/2018/01/16/9438c0ac-faf0-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?utm_term=.ff3057b78181

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      @texasag1969 said:

      Listening to Flake combined with this McCain Op-Ed Should wake you all up. Venezuelan democracy was torn apart in exactly the way our Dear Leader has been attempting to do for the last couple of years. You want to lose this democracy, then just keep siding with this lying fraud.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mr-president-stop-attacking-the-press/2018/01/16/9438c0ac-faf0-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?utm_term=.ff3057b78181

      I disagree Tex. I honestly believe the socialist policies of the democrats is the surest way to bring about the poverty and misery we see in Venezuela. We are seeing almost immediately huge dividends from the Trump tax cuts with employees getting bonuses, businesses prospering and the stock market breaking records. With 90 percent of the media coverage negative against Trump even former democrat president Jimmy Carter said he has never seen anything like the negative coverage against Trump. An honest press and media would go a long way to helping democracy but too much of the media today is not neutral but biased. We have dishonest journalism rampent today. Many times it is not what is reported but what is being left out.

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        I will post Republican Jeff Flake's speech once it is on video. These criticisms are coming from the same side of the aisle, not the Democrats. If you are not afraid to listen and read what they say, then you might just review your beliefs and see the "truth" through fresh eyes. It is easy to just pass this off because you think it's the "media". It's another to pass it off despite it coming from Republicans themselves in their own words without media bias. Don't listen to what the press says, just listen to what people in his own party are saying. People who see that he is tearing apart the fabric of this democracy for his own egocentric needs.

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          Flake's Speech

          https://www.ydr.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/17/senator-jeff-flake-delivers-major-speech-freedom-press/1039810001/

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            I will post Republican Jeff Flake's speech once it is on video. These criticisms are coming from the same side of the aisle, not the Democrats. If you are not afraid to listen and read what they say, then you might just review your beliefs and see the "truth" through fresh eyes. It is easy to just pass this off because you think it's the "media". It's another to pass it off despite it coming from Republicans themselves in their own words without media bias. Don't listen to what the press says, just listen to what people in his own party are saying. People who see that he is tearing apart the fabric of this democracy for his own egocentric needs.

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            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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            @texasag1969 said:

            I will post Republican Jeff Flake's speech once it is on video. These criticisms are coming from the same side of the aisle, not the Democrats. If you are not afraid to listen and read what they say, then you might just review your beliefs and see the "truth" through fresh eyes. It is easy to just pass this off because you think it's the "media". It's another to pass it off despite it coming from Republicans themselves in their own words without media bias. Don't listen to what the press says, just listen to what people in his own party are saying. People who see that he is tearing apart the fabric of this democracy for his own egocentric needs.

            I was a Cruz supporter and would have liked to have seen him win in 16 but I think Trump has done some good things on policy and I have never regretted voting for him over Hillary Clinton. Some of my dislikes of Trump I saw the same thing with Obama as I think both are narcissists and both can be petty and vindictive. On policy though I have been happy with Trump.

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              Trump told me about you. He said not to listen. Fake news! Fake news! Fake news!

              I read a post by a guy on Facebook that proves I'm right.

              And that's where we are now. 

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                Trump told me about you. He said not to listen. Fake news! Fake news! Fake news!

                I read a post by a guy on Facebook that proves I'm right.

                And that's where we are now. 

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                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                @mld-woody said:

                Trump told me about you. He said not to listen. Fake news! Fake news! Fake news!

                I read a post by a guy on Facebook that proves I'm right.

                And that's where we are now. 

                Fake news isn't a term I would use. I would go with biased corrupted news and I would be pretty well spot on with the media today.

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                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                  Which for a lot of people is just becoming any news that disagrees with their political agenda

                  Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                    so much bs. Venezuela fell apart because:

                    they went the way of liberal "democrats"....

                    socialist. They thought the oil revenues would fund a socialist society.

                    It fell apart. and the dictator was ruthless in the failure.

                    http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/how-venezuela-fell-apart/

                    Read carefully, and you see the path we were on, was obaMao/venzuela.

                    entitlement promises that could not be sustained.

                    political tolerance went by the wayside - there is the left AGAIN. there is clinton/obaMao/deep state AGAIN

                    It mentions a gov owned and controlled Supreme Court. - there is the left again - activist left-owned judges ignoring our Constitution

                    Flake is a wanabe deep state leftist - he is part of the problem

                    Venzuela was ruined by socialist democrats who who got control of intel agencies/supreme court/the military, and industries...

                    and that is exactly where obaMao was trying to take us. He put his corrupt sombeitches in places of power, and the left controlled them. FBI/CIA/State Dept/DOJ/ and they did nearly anything they wanted to keep permanent control. But Trump and Real America foiled that and it is being dismantled, and found out by investigations.

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                      IOW's, the corrupt left got Congress and the presidency, and we went with it.

                      but now we have Congress and the presidency, and the left is trying every dirty trick in the book,

                      frantically trying to stop us, stop Trump, from doing it the Real American way.

                      The left is venezuela now.

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                        so much bs. Venezuela fell apart because:

                        they went the way of liberal "democrats"....

                        socialist. They thought the oil revenues would fund a socialist society.

                        It fell apart. and the dictator was ruthless in the failure.

                        http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/how-venezuela-fell-apart/

                        Read carefully, and you see the path we were on, was obaMao/venzuela.

                        entitlement promises that could not be sustained.

                        political tolerance went by the wayside - there is the left AGAIN. there is clinton/obaMao/deep state AGAIN

                        It mentions a gov owned and controlled Supreme Court. - there is the left again - activist left-owned judges ignoring our Constitution

                        Flake is a wanabe deep state leftist - he is part of the problem

                        Venzuela was ruined by socialist democrats who who got control of intel agencies/supreme court/the military, and industries...

                        and that is exactly where obaMao was trying to take us. He put his corrupt sombeitches in places of power, and the left controlled them. FBI/CIA/State Dept/DOJ/ and they did nearly anything they wanted to keep permanent control. But Trump and Real America foiled that and it is being dismantled, and found out by investigations.

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                        @calfoxwc said:

                        so much bs. Venezuela fell apart because:

                        they went the way of liberal "democrats"....

                        socialist. They thought the oil revenues would fund a socialist society.

                        It fell apart. and the dictator was ruthless in the failure.

                        http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/how-venezuela-fell-apart/

                        Read carefully, and you see the path we were on, was obaMao/venzuela.

                        entitlement promises that could not be sustained.

                        political tolerance went by the wayside - there is the left AGAIN. there is clinton/obaMao/deep state AGAIN

                        It mentions a gov owned and controlled Supreme Court. - there is the left again - activist left-owned judges ignoring our Constitution

                        Flake is a wanabe deep state leftist - he is part of the problem

                        Venzuela was ruined by socialist democrats who who got control of intel agencies/supreme court/the military, and industries...

                        and that is exactly where obaMao was trying to take us. He put his corrupt sombeitches in places of power, and the left controlled them. FBI/CIA/State Dept/DOJ/ and they did nearly anything they wanted to keep permanent control. But Trump and Real America foiled that and it is being dismantled, and found out by investigations.

                        However you have ignored the fact that Chavez first tore up the free press and then tore up the constitution to get himself reelected (not allowed in their original constitution) and then elected again without limits in rigged elections. Without a free press he locked up his opponents if they did not escape through exile. He locked up and censored TV, radio and newspaper owner/operators until he had absolute control of the information going before the people. It does not matter to me what the politics are behind the tyrant, what matters is whether they are far left or far right the first thing they do is get rid of opposition and criticism. Going after the press is always the first step. Like it or not Hitler did exactly the same thing and had enough good people keep their heads buried in the sand to eventually become the despot he was. Same with communist Stalin, his polar opposite politically.

                        A fool and his democracy are soon separated. They always buy someone else's bill of goods first. That is what you have bought and nothing more.

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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          so much bs. Venezuela fell apart because:

                          they went the way of liberal "democrats"....

                          socialist. They thought the oil revenues would fund a socialist society.

                          It fell apart. and the dictator was ruthless in the failure.

                          http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/how-venezuela-fell-apart/

                          Read carefully, and you see the path we were on, was obaMao/venzuela.

                          entitlement promises that could not be sustained.

                          political tolerance went by the wayside - there is the left AGAIN. there is clinton/obaMao/deep state AGAIN

                          It mentions a gov owned and controlled Supreme Court. - there is the left again - activist left-owned judges ignoring our Constitution

                          Flake is a wanabe deep state leftist - he is part of the problem

                          Venzuela was ruined by socialist democrats who who got control of intel agencies/supreme court/the military, and industries...

                          and that is exactly where obaMao was trying to take us. He put his corrupt sombeitches in places of power, and the left controlled them. FBI/CIA/State Dept/DOJ/ and they did nearly anything they wanted to keep permanent control. But Trump and Real America foiled that and it is being dismantled, and found out by investigations.

                          However you have ignored the fact that Chavez first tore up the free press and then tore up the constitution to get himself reelected (not allowed in their original constitution) and then elected again without limits in rigged elections. Without a free press he locked up his opponents if they did not escape through exile. He locked up and censored TV, radio and newspaper owner/operators until he had absolute control of the information going before the people. It does not matter to me what the politics are behind the tyrant, what matters is whether they are far left or far right the first thing they do is get rid of opposition and criticism. Going after the press is always the first step. Like it or not Hitler did exactly the same thing and had enough good people keep their heads buried in the sand to eventually become the despot he was. Same with communist Stalin, his polar opposite politically.

                          A fool and his democracy are soon separated. They always buy someone else's bill of goods first. That is what you have bought and nothing more.

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                          OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                          @texasag1969 said:

                          However you have ignored the fact that Chavez first tore up the free press and then tore up the constitution to get himself reelected (not allowed in their original constitution) and then elected again without limits in rigged elections. Without a free press he locked up his opponents if they did not escape through exile. He locked up and censored TV, radio and newspaper owner/operators until he had absolute control of the information going before the people. It does not matter to me what the politics are behind the tyrant, what matters is whether they are far left or far right the first thing they do is get rid of opposition and criticism. Going after the press is always the first step. Like it or not Hitler did exactly the same thing and had enough good people keep their heads buried in the sand to eventually become the despot he was. Same with communist Stalin, his polar opposite politically.

                          A fool and his democracy are soon separated. They always buy someone else's bill of goods first. That is what you have bought and nothing more.

                          The press deserves to be called out for their liberal bias. Much of the mainstream media should be getting a paycheck from the democrats as they carry their water for them. That kind of advocacy journalism and cheerleading for one party is not good for a democracy either. Trump like any other president is constrained by the constitution and he does not have any authority to close or censor the media. Mocking and criticizing the media by Trump has probably resulted in even more unfavorable and biased coverage for Trump and not in shutting anything down.

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                            DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                            Comparing Trump to Chavez is crazy.

                            "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              so much bs. Venezuela fell apart because:

                              they went the way of liberal "democrats"....

                              socialist. They thought the oil revenues would fund a socialist society.

                              It fell apart. and the dictator was ruthless in the failure.

                              http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/how-venezuela-fell-apart/

                              Read carefully, and you see the path we were on, was obaMao/venzuela.

                              entitlement promises that could not be sustained.

                              political tolerance went by the wayside - there is the left AGAIN. there is clinton/obaMao/deep state AGAIN

                              It mentions a gov owned and controlled Supreme Court. - there is the left again - activist left-owned judges ignoring our Constitution

                              Flake is a wanabe deep state leftist - he is part of the problem

                              Venzuela was ruined by socialist democrats who who got control of intel agencies/supreme court/the military, and industries...

                              and that is exactly where obaMao was trying to take us. He put his corrupt sombeitches in places of power, and the left controlled them. FBI/CIA/State Dept/DOJ/ and they did nearly anything they wanted to keep permanent control. But Trump and Real America foiled that and it is being dismantled, and found out by investigations.

                              However you have ignored the fact that Chavez first tore up the free press and then tore up the constitution to get himself reelected (not allowed in their original constitution) and then elected again without limits in rigged elections. Without a free press he locked up his opponents if they did not escape through exile. He locked up and censored TV, radio and newspaper owner/operators until he had absolute control of the information going before the people. It does not matter to me what the politics are behind the tyrant, what matters is whether they are far left or far right the first thing they do is get rid of opposition and criticism. Going after the press is always the first step. Like it or not Hitler did exactly the same thing and had enough good people keep their heads buried in the sand to eventually become the despot he was. Same with communist Stalin, his polar opposite politically.

                              A fool and his democracy are soon separated. They always buy someone else's bill of goods first. That is what you have bought and nothing more.

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                              @texasag1969 said:

                              However you have ignored the fact that Chavez first tore up the free press and then tore up the constitution to get himself reelected (not allowed in their original constitution) and then elected again without limits in rigged elections. Without a free press he locked up his opponents if they did not escape through exile. He locked up and censored TV, radio and newspaper owner/operators until he had absolute control of the information going before the people. It does not matter to me what the politics are behind the tyrant, what matters is whether they are far left or far right the first thing they do is get rid of opposition and criticism. Going after the press is always the first step. Like it or not Hitler did exactly the same thing and had enough good people keep their heads buried in the sand to eventually become the despot he was. Same with communist Stalin, his polar opposite politically.

                              A fool and his democracy are soon separated. They always buy someone else's bill of goods first. That is what you have bought and nothing more.

                              However, you have ignored the fact that obamao had little respect for our Constitution. We can post at least one major quote to that.

                              It's obamao who put activist judges in place that ignore the Constitution at the left's whim. Right now, it's obamao and the left who control the vast majority of the msm. We don't have a free press across the board - so much of it is owned by the radical left - soros, leftist big corps. Now, obamao is dissing the free press - Fox News. It's one they do NOT control. Hitler, castro, mussolini, stalin, putin,

                              Mao, obaMao - those are the ones who seek to control industry, health care, our legal system, our intel services (kgb style)...

                              and tried to force open our borders. NOTE: democracy in Venezuela was brought down by  cloward-piven - burdening a free society with entitlements and expenditures that cannot be sustained, and then let it crash, so the left can take over and dominate forever.

                                  That was obamao. that is why the UN's mmgw. that is why taking over health care, promising everybody who wants it a free ride...

                              etc etc etc etc.

                                   Then there is gun control.

                              https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/venezuela-confiscates-guns-arms-socialist-regime/

                              http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook

                              Gun politics in the Soviet Union (Right to Bear Arms) | Alternative ...

                              althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Soviet_Union_(Right_to_Bear_Arms)
                               

                              However, during the rule of Joseph Stalin, he enacted a strict gun control system, especially in the Ukrainian SSR. During the first ... Military-style firearms are rarely allowed to civilians, with the exception of law enforcement, military or retired individuals with past careers and experience in those two groups. It is up the gun .

                              https://freedomoutpost.com/gun-control-dictator-style-tyrants-who-banned-firearms-before-slaughtering-the-people/

                              now, we come to the left in America. They want to take our guns. ObaMao/dirty holder... "Fast and Furious"

                              they blamed American gun owners for violence in Mexico.

                              then they ran fast and furious to make it look like they had to get their way with gun control.

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                                I see the Trumpettes are once again ignoring the point of the post. The Republicans in Congress are saying all these things and you keep your heads buried from the truth of what they are saying. This man is a liar who cannot be trusted with this democracy. He has systematically worked at dismantling every foundation upon which it stands starting with the 1st amendment. All the arguments you have placed on here have not addressed either what Flake said or what McCain wrote. And now even the Senate Rep. leader has had enough with this jackass. They can't even come up with solutions because he can't be trusted to keep his word from one moment to the next. He tells them to present a compromise plan which he will sign and then when they bring it to him he goes back on his word.

                                All I see from any of you are side issues that have nothing to do with telling me what you actually think about the issues raised by McCain and Flake concerning Trump's assault on freedom of speech. What do you actually think about what they said? I knew cal could be counted on to go off in the usual obamau crapola that has nothing to do with now. But what do you actually think about Freedom of Speech and whether he presents a danger to it or not as they contend?

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                                  Flake is anti Trump.  Has been from the get go, McCain also.  So I take anything they say with a grain of salt.  They are part of the Swamp.  And both will be leaving.  MAGA!

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                                    Flake is anti Trump.  Has been from the get go, McCain also.  So I take anything they say with a grain of salt.  They are part of the Swamp.  And both will be leaving.  MAGA!

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                                    @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                    Flake is anti Trump.  Has been from the get go, McCain also.  So I take anything they say with a grain of salt.  They are part of the Swamp.  And both will be leaving.  MAGA!

                                    That's all you think? So ignore the message because of the source, but don't think at all about whether there is any truth within the message? I want to know what you think, not who you don't like. Those are two different things.

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                                      take something with a grain of salt

                                      to understand that something is likely to be untrue or incorrect:

                                      I’ve seen the article, which I take with a grain of salt.
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                                        More information with some actual history in it.

                                        https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/562246/how-democracies-die-by-steven-levitsky-and-daniel-ziblatt/9781524762933/

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                                          take something with a grain of salt

                                          to understand that something is likely to be untrue or incorrect:

                                          I’ve seen the article, which I take with a grain of salt.
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                                          @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                          take something with a grain of salt

                                          to understand that something is likely to be untrue or incorrect:

                                          I’ve seen the article, which I take with a grain of sand.
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