Todd Haley
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BR did question those few calls...as he probably should have.
I guess my question is this....as I know that HCs have done this in the past: Don't HCs have "veto" power over plays that are called...expecially in very crucial situations?
I always thought they did. Especially one with the authority of Tomlin. Its 4th and inches...and the OC calls for a sweep...cannot, should not the HC say: "Hey Todd....I think we want to do something different here. Lets just have Ben sneak it for those few inches. Let's go with that."
Now...that does NOT seem out of line for an HC to do...a couple of times a game. If the HC is questioning his OC on like every 3rd play...that is different. But, on 4th and one? HC prerogative. So...to me...Tomlin has himself to blame there....and should not be making Haley his scapegoat.
Lets just have Ben sneak it for those few inches. Let's go with that."
the adjusting Hailey, has been protecting the old man Ben, from sneak injuries all season..most steel queen fans should tell ya the same
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Lets just have Ben sneak it for those few inches. Let's go with that."
the adjusting Hailey, has been protecting the old man Ben, from sneak injuries all season..most steel queen fans should tell ya the same
the adjusting Hailey, has been protecting the old man Ben, from sneak injuries all season..most steel queen fans should tell ya the same
But once or twice...in a playoff game? WTF!
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Would be very surprised if the Cleveland Browns complete their OC search without speaking to Todd Haley. Very surprised
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But once or twice...in a playoff game? WTF!
nice avatar..is that hailey under the goalie too
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Would be very surprised if the Cleveland Browns complete their OC search without speaking to Todd Haley. Very surprised
Would be very surprised if the Cleveland Browns complete their OC search without speaking to Todd Haley. Very surprised
That’s what I like to hear
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He would give Ghoolie a run for his money in a fist fight.
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Tomlin opted not to take a 38 yard FG and go for it and failed. Tomlin went for it again on 4th down and failed giving Jax the ball at the 39 yard line. In 3 downs Jax was across mid field and on the Pitt 48 yard line.
Ben threw an INT that resulted in 7 points and then fumbled for another 7 point run back.
Tomlin let his players spout off all week about the AFC Championship game that they were going to. One of his players was outside the Jax locker room before the game crowing about the axx whipping Pitt was about to give them. Tomlin himself got in on the act with a Tony Dungy interview earlier.
Its Haleys fault that Tomlin is an idiot.
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BR did question those few calls...as he probably should have.
I guess my question is this....as I know that HCs have done this in the past: Don't HCs have "veto" power over plays that are called...expecially in very crucial situations?
I always thought they did. Especially one with the authority of Tomlin. Its 4th and inches...and the OC calls for a sweep...cannot, should not the HC say: "Hey Todd....I think we want to do something different here. Lets just have Ben sneak it for those few inches. Let's go with that."
Now...that does NOT seem out of line for an HC to do...a couple of times a game. If the HC is questioning his OC on like every 3rd play...that is different. But, on 4th and one? HC prerogative. So...to me...Tomlin has himself to blame there....and should not be making Haley his scapegoat.
Don't HCs have "veto" power over plays that are called...expecially in very crucial situations?
Yes, they do... but to overrule a play call, they'd better be willing to spend a timeout.
With the 35 second, play clock rolling and down to 30 after unpiling the prior play and personnel running onto the field to run the OC's call... which has to be completed prior to the 20 second mark... there's very little time for the HC to overrule, send out a different package to run a different play... especially when you consider the refs step in and hold up the snap until the D has had adequate time to counter any personnel changes.
If an HC wants input, as soon as the previous play is over he needs to make his input.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Don't HCs have "veto" power over plays that are called...expecially in very crucial situations?
Yes, they do... but to overrule a play call, they'd better be willing to spend a timeout.
With the 35 second, play clock rolling and down to 30 after unpiling the prior play and personnel running onto the field to run the OC's call... which has to be completed prior to the 20 second mark... there's very little time for the HC to overrule, send out a different package to run a different play... especially when you consider the refs step in and hold up the snap until the D has had adequate time to counter any personnel changes.
If an HC wants input, as soon as the previous play is over he needs to make his input.
Yes, they do... but to overrule a play call, they'd better be willing to spend a timeout.
With the 35 second, play clock rolling and down to 30 after unpiling the prior play and personnel running onto the field to run the OC's call... which has to be completed prior to the 20 second mark... there's very little time for the HC to overrule, send out a different package to run a different play... especially when you consider the refs step in and hold up the snap until the D has had adequate time to counter any personnel changes.
If an HC wants input, as soon as the previous play is over he needs to make his input.
Sure....but, if it is SUCH a critical play, then that would be a likely valid use of a timeout. You see it happen all the time in those situations.
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Yes, they do... but to overrule a play call, they'd better be willing to spend a timeout.
With the 35 second, play clock rolling and down to 30 after unpiling the prior play and personnel running onto the field to run the OC's call... which has to be completed prior to the 20 second mark... there's very little time for the HC to overrule, send out a different package to run a different play... especially when you consider the refs step in and hold up the snap until the D has had adequate time to counter any personnel changes.
If an HC wants input, as soon as the previous play is over he needs to make his input.
Sure....but, if it is SUCH a critical play, then that would be a likely valid use of a timeout. You see it happen all the time in those situations.
Sure....but, if it is SUCH a critical play, then that would be a likely valid use of a timeout. You see it happen all the time in those situations.
And now you know why...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Looks like Haley is going to be the guy, which I think is great ...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/browns_are_close_to_hiring_tod.html
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Impressed with the hire.....happy with Mr Blitz as the DC .....happy with front office....all we need now is a head coach
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Looks like Haley is going to be the guy, which I think is great ...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/browns_are_close_to_hiring_tod.html
Zombo said:
Looks like Haley is going to be the guy, which I think is great ...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/browns_are_close_to_hiring_tod.html
Why not? After all, THEY got Haden!
Mike
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oh, hell no.
You are a friend of mine, but this closed mindedness HAS to stop!
We are trying to build a WINNER here!!!
Mike
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