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  • boo fagley B Banned
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    B boo fagley wrote on last edited by
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    He would give Ghoolie a run for his money in a fist fight.

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      Tomlin opted not to take a 38 yard FG and go for it and failed. Tomlin went for it again on 4th down and failed giving Jax the ball at the 39 yard line. In 3 downs Jax was across mid field and on the Pitt 48 yard line.

      Ben threw an INT that resulted in 7 points and then fumbled for another 7 point run back.

      Tomlin let his players spout off all week about the AFC Championship game that they were going to. One of his players was outside the Jax locker room before the game crowing about the axx whipping Pitt was about to give them. Tomlin himself got in on the act with a Tony Dungy interview earlier.

      Its Haleys fault that Tomlin is an idiot.

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        jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by
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        Is the firing more to do with the bar fight and shattered hip? Perhaps a higher frequency to his issues than we know?

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          BR did question those few calls...as he probably should have. 

          I guess my question is this....as I know that HCs have done this in the past:   Don't HCs have "veto" power over plays that are called...expecially in very crucial situations?

          I always thought they did.  Especially one with the authority of Tomlin.   Its 4th and inches...and the OC calls for a sweep...cannot, should not the HC say: "Hey Todd....I think we want to do something different here.  Lets just have Ben sneak it for those few inches.  Let's go with that."

          Now...that does NOT seem out of line for an HC to do...a couple of times a game.   If the HC is questioning his OC on like every 3rd play...that is different.   But, on 4th and one?   HC prerogative.   So...to me...Tomlin has himself to blame there....and should not be making Haley his scapegoat. 

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          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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          @the-gipper said:

          Don't HCs have "veto" power over plays that are called...expecially in very crucial situations?

          Yes, they do... but to overrule a play call, they'd better be willing to spend a timeout.

          With the 35 second, play clock rolling and down to 30 after unpiling the prior play and personnel running onto the field to run the OC's call... which has to be completed prior to the 20 second mark... there's very little time for the HC to overrule, send out a different package to run a different play... especially when you consider the refs step in and hold up the snap until the D has had adequate time to counter any personnel changes.

          If an HC wants input, as soon as the previous play is over he needs to make his input.

          "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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            @the-gipper said:

            Don't HCs have "veto" power over plays that are called...expecially in very crucial situations?

            Yes, they do... but to overrule a play call, they'd better be willing to spend a timeout.

            With the 35 second, play clock rolling and down to 30 after unpiling the prior play and personnel running onto the field to run the OC's call... which has to be completed prior to the 20 second mark... there's very little time for the HC to overrule, send out a different package to run a different play... especially when you consider the refs step in and hold up the snap until the D has had adequate time to counter any personnel changes.

            If an HC wants input, as soon as the previous play is over he needs to make his input.

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            The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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            @tour2ma said:

            Yes, they do... but to overrule a play call, they'd better be willing to spend a timeout.

            With the 35 second, play clock rolling and down to 30 after unpiling the prior play and personnel running onto the field to run the OC's call... which has to be completed prior to the 20 second mark... there's very little time for the HC to overrule, send out a different package to run a different play... especially when you consider the refs step in and hold up the snap until the D has had adequate time to counter any personnel changes.

            If an HC wants input, as soon as the previous play is over he needs to make his input.

            Sure....but, if it is SUCH a critical play, then that would be a likely valid use of a timeout.  You see it happen all the time in those situations.

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              @tour2ma said:

              Yes, they do... but to overrule a play call, they'd better be willing to spend a timeout.

              With the 35 second, play clock rolling and down to 30 after unpiling the prior play and personnel running onto the field to run the OC's call... which has to be completed prior to the 20 second mark... there's very little time for the HC to overrule, send out a different package to run a different play... especially when you consider the refs step in and hold up the snap until the D has had adequate time to counter any personnel changes.

              If an HC wants input, as soon as the previous play is over he needs to make his input.

              Sure....but, if it is SUCH a critical play, then that would be a likely valid use of a timeout.  You see it happen all the time in those situations.

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              Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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              @the-gipper said:

              Sure....but, if it is SUCH a critical play, then that would be a likely valid use of a timeout.  You see it happen all the time in those situations.

              And now you know why...

              "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                Looks like Haley is going to be the guy, which I think is great ...

                http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/browns_are_close_to_hiring_tod.html

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                  darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                  Impressed with the hire.....happy with Mr Blitz as the DC .....happy with front office....all we need now is a head coach

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                    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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                    Hue can now find a Lake 😎   

                    Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson
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                      nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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                      It would be a nice move for the off season...

                      Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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                        Looks like Haley is going to be the guy, which I think is great ...

                        http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/browns_are_close_to_hiring_tod.html

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                        Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
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                        Zombo said:

                        Looks like Haley is going to be the guy, which I think is great ...

                        http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/browns_are_close_to_hiring_tod.html

                        Why not? After all, THEY got Haden!

                        Mike  

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                          sydS syd wrote on last edited by
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                          great news if he decides to come aboard

                          he todd bring bell with ya

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                            great news if he decides to come aboard

                            he todd bring bell with ya

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                            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                            @syd said:

                            great news if he decides to come aboard

                            he todd bring bell with ya

                            oh, hell no.

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                              @syd said:

                              great news if he decides to come aboard

                              he todd bring bell with ya

                              oh, hell no.

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                              Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by Canton Mike
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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              oh, hell no.

                              You are a friend of mine, but this closed mindedness HAS to stop!

                              We are trying to build a WINNER here!!!

                              Mike

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                                @syd said:

                                great news if he decides to come aboard

                                he todd bring bell with ya

                                oh, hell no.

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                                sydS syd wrote on last edited by syd
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                                @calfoxwc said:

                                oh, hell no.

                                why the hell not ?

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                                  @calfoxwc said:

                                  oh, hell no.

                                  why the hell not ?

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                                  darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                                  @syd said:

                                  why the hell not ?

                                  We have the Crow 🙂

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                                    @syd said:

                                    why the hell not ?

                                    We have the Crow 🙂

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                                    jcam222J jcam222 wrote on last edited by jcam222
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                                    @darren15 said:

                                    We have the Crow 🙂

                                    Crow to Bell is like comparing a used Honda Civic to a Ferrari. Having said that he's a joint away from suspension and a head case

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                                    • Canton MikeC Canton Mike

                                      @calfoxwc said:

                                      oh, hell no.

                                      You are a friend of mine, but this closed mindedness HAS to stop!

                                      We are trying to build a WINNER here!!!

                                      Mike

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                                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                                      @canton-mike said:

                                      You are a friend of mine, but this closed mindedness HAS to stop!

                                      We are trying to build a WINNER here!!!

                                      Mike

                                      You're a friend of mine, too, but you don't stop and think. It's a great draft for rb's,  I know you hate to read, but come on, seriously:

                                      "loser loser dope, rap and booze loser. that's bell"

                                      https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2018/1/21/16911348/a-true-steelers-dilemma-is-leveon-bell-worth-the-trouble-nfl-free-agency-news

                                      Ed Bouchette reported recently in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the All-Pro running back had missed all but five minutes of the Steelers' Saturday walk-through before their playoff loss to Jacksonville the following day. (Maybe he was busy dreaming up his social media message in which he totally discounted the Jacksonville Jaguars and looked ahead to the New England matchup, which I can't find in any tv listings this weekend.)

                                      Then on Sunday, he showed up later than Mike Tomlin's scheduled time to the locker room for game time. This would seem like an aberration, if Bell didn't have a rap sheet of unprofessionalism and immaturity during his Steeler career. Also, one can't ignore his hip-hop career in which he has incessantly rapped about his contract displeasure. For old time sake, let's review some of Bell's low-lights.

                                      • His arrest for DUI and marijuana possession following driving to the airport before a preseason game in Philadelphia with LeGarrette Blount in 2014, this ultimately resulted in a two-game suspension to start the 2015 season.
                                      • His suspension for missing drug tests in December 2016 resulted in a three-game suspension to begin the 2016 season.
                                      • His hip-hop songs highlighting his contract displeasure.
                                      • His turning down a reported $12 million a year contract offer tendered by the team, four million more than the next-highest paid RB (LeSean McCoy).
                                      • His slow start following his failing to report to 2017 training camp until days before the season opener.
                                      • Voicing displeasure in the media regarding play calling after a mere 15 carries in the Week 5 loss to Jacksonville.

                                      http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2018/01/21/leveon-bell-contract-franchise-tag-tweeting-holdout-retirement-steelers-patriots-jaguars/stories/201801210080

                                      First, Bell told ESPN that he would sit out next season or even retire if the team doesn’t meet his contract demands and puts its franchise tag on him for a second consecutive year. Nice timing, right? Really bad look. Then, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette’s Ed Bouchette, Bell blew off most of the Steelers’ walk-through practice last Saturday. Talk about disrespecting Mike Tomlin and his teammates. Finally, Bell tweeted the night before the Jacksonville game that he was really looking forward to Round 2 against the New England Patriots in the AFC championship. For all of it, he should have been penalized 15 yards for unnecessary stupidity.

                                      He proved he has matured in one major way by not getting suspended for the third year in a row because of a marijuana issue and proved he can start and finish a season healthy for the first time.

                                      I also have some advice for Bell: Grow up and stop acting so infantile. Keep playing football, even if it means lowering yourself to make a mere $14.5 million. And one more thing … stop tweeting. Please.

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                                        @syd said:

                                        great news if he decides to come aboard

                                        he todd bring bell with ya

                                        oh, hell no.

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                                        Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
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                                        @calfoxwc said:

                                        oh, hell no.

                                        Sorry Cal, I thought you were saying HELL NO to both Haley & Bell. I would love to have Haley, but after reading your post & accepting it to be accurate, I'm not so sure about Bell.

                                        I presume you're ok with Haley?

                                        Mike

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                                          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                          We have talked about character for years. Haley has had a terrific career around the NFL. He's noted as a very strong, aggressive, creative coach. I think that's a GREAT thing that he would come here.

                                            I haven't said one word about not wanting Haley to come here, and this is page two. Now that someone wants bell to come with him, I said "hell, no". 

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